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Campaign 2016 Part XXIV: Both candidates are the same, but here's why yours is awful

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Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXIV: Both candidates are the same, but here's why yours is aw

Yeah electing someone who is an outsider who plans to have a former SOTH in his cabinet shows how stupid these people really are...

It was never about electing an outsider. It was about electing a kindred spirit - an angry, old, politically incorrect white dude.

This year was the last hurrah for that increasingly irrelevant sect.
 
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXIV: Both candidates are the same, but here's why yours is aw

"Authoritarian" angry, old, politically incorrect white dude.

Freedom-loving strict Constitutionalists sure do love their dictatorial strongmen.
 
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXIV: Both candidates are the same, but here's why yours is aw

All I keep seeing is Thank God it's over tomorrow. Except we know it probably won't be. Trump seems to have eased up on the "It's all rigged!" stance, but who knows how he will react in a close race? I fear this whole week is going to be unpleasant.
 
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All I keep seeing is Thank God it's over tomorrow. Except we know it probably won't be. Trump seems to have eased up on the "It's all rigged!" stance, but who knows how he will react in a close race? I fear this whole week is going to be unpleasant.

Week?

As soon as Hillary wins we got (4) years of hell (investigations). Problem is if Trump wins that (4) years is worse.
 
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All I keep seeing is Thank God it's over tomorrow. Except we know it probably won't be. Trump seems to have eased up on the "It's all rigged!" stance, but who knows how he will react in a close race? I fear this whole week is going to be unpleasant.

Then you've got the four years of scandal-mongering and "investigations" to come.

Damm, Scooby beat me to it.
 
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I had been looking for something like that. Really helps with all the county positions and judges. Thanks.

That used to come as an insert to the newspaper, and a hearty thanks to the League of Women Voters, who organize that page. They have been a real resource ever since I started voting.
 
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Week?

As soon as Hillary wins we got (4) years of hell (investigations). Problem is if Trump wins that (4) years is worse.

Oh that I get. It's getting to the point of her actually being declared a winner. Or him. I think it's going to be very close so an official winner won't be able to be announced for a while, with lawsuits and whining.....big sigh.
 
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXIV: Both candidates are the same, but here's why yours is aw

Talking about going to vote tomorrow morning with my co-workers. One of them is originally from St. Louis, then moved to FL, now she lives here. She's registered to vote here, and her brother let her know she is still on the voter registration rolls in St. Louis. How does that happen?
 
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Oh that I get. It's getting to the point of her actually being declared a winner. Or him. I think it's going to be very close so an official winner won't be able to be announced for a while, with lawsuits and whining.....big sigh.
I'm hoping that's not the case. I'm thinking she may win handily. I just don't see massive people breaking towards hate at the end, but I could be wrong.
 
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXIV: Both candidates are the same, but here's why yours is aw

It was never about electing an outsider. It was about electing a kindred spirit - an angry, old, politically incorrect white dude.

This year was the last hurrah for that increasingly irrelevant sect.
You are describing Trump. What you are not doing is understanding the reasons people support him.
 
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXIV: Both candidates are the same, but here's why yours is aw

You are describing Trump. What you are not doing is understanding the reasons people support him.

I understand just fine. There are three main reasons people are voting for the Butternut Turd:

1. They hate Hillary & Obama (these are your garden variety rednecks / sexists / racists)

2. They think educated people, especially Washington pols, aren't listening to them (this is the average voter - and they're correct)

3. They're out of work or marginally employed, and screwed because they don't have the education and skills to be relevant to the modern service economy (these people I do genuinely feel bad for, and I think our trade agreements have likely contributed to giving them a raw deal)
 
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Talking about going to vote tomorrow morning with my co-workers. One of them is originally from St. Louis, then moved to FL, now she lives here. She's registered to vote here, and her brother let her know she is still on the voter registration rolls in St. Louis. How does that happen?

Since it's a state registry and not a national registry it seems like it would be pretty easy to be on both at the same time.
 
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Since it's a state registry and not a national registry it seems like it would be pretty easy to be on both at the same time.

Depending how often states scrub their rolls, I could still be registered to vote in Orono. Long as I don't vote here and there, all should be good.*


*Except for the "voter fraud" twits, who will see that and claim it means that voter fraud is rampant.
 
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXIV: Both candidates are the same, but here's why yours is aw

I understand just fine. There are three main reasons people are voting for the Butternut Turd:

1. They hate Hillary & Obama (these are your garden variety rednecks / sexists / racists)

2. They think educated people, especially Washington pols, aren't listening to them (this is the average voter - and they're correct)

3. They're out of work or marginally employed, and screwed because they don't have the education and skills to be relevant to the modern service economy (these people I do genuinely feel bad for, and I think our trade agreements have likely contributed to giving them a raw deal)
I read a piece this past week that talked about how in the first half of the last century successful, educated people in this country used to use words like the N-word and coon, along with unflattering caricatures to marginalize or express contempt for a sector of the American public the speakers felt were beneath them, or deserving of their contempt. Today those same people have substituted an entirely different section of the American public as the target of our scorn, but use the same tactics.

Sure, there are racists and fascists to whom Trumps message is music to their ears. But if you think that 43% of the American electorate supports him because they fall within that category, you simply fail to understand.

The best description I've heard for it is it pertains to your place in line. Think of your position as a place in a long line, heading up over a hill. Over the crest is the American dream.

The line is long, and you are a long way from the crest. But you are proud of where you are at, and what got you there. You may not have an Ivy league education. But you get up in the morning and you go to work. You go to church and try to live your life in a way that has been taught to you as being morally upright. You help friends, neighbors and family members who are in need.

But you don't seem to be moving in that line. You are a patient man. Sometimes it feels like you advance. But most days you feel like you are in the same place you were in yesterday, or maybe even further behind.

But they wait, because that's what they've been taught to do.

Then they see that other people are being moved ahead of them in the line. The other people may be minorities. They are told that these people deserve to go ahead of you in line for that job, or for that spot in college your kid wanted. You see Michelle Obama and you ask, how could she afford to go to Columbia and Harvard. My daddy worked as a municipal worker too, and he couldn't have afforded that. She must have been given help that you weren't given.

They see the woman they went to high school with but who now works for the County. You got better grades than she did. You work longer hours and at a job that is substantially more difficult. Yet she has a public pension waiting for her when she retires and gets four weeks of paid vacation. Why does she now move ahead of you in line?

And the people who are telling them they must yield their place in line are people who refer to them as racist, as a hillbilly, as an uneducated redneck.

When they hear Donald Trump speak, they hear someone say that their place in line will be protected. It's all nonsense of course, but that is what they hear.

But please, just keep reducing it to the "they're just a bunch of racist old rednecks who will soon be dead" argument.
 
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXIV: Both candidates are the same, but here's why yours is aw

Talking about going to vote tomorrow morning with my co-workers. One of them is originally from St. Louis, then moved to FL, now she lives here. She's registered to vote here, and her brother let her know she is still on the voter registration rolls in St. Louis. How does that happen?

ssshhhhhhhhh! :D
 
I read a piece this past week that talked about how in the first half of the last century successful, educated people in this country used to use words like the N-word and coon, along with unflattering caricatures to marginalize or express contempt for a sector of the American public the speakers felt were beneath them, or deserving of their contempt. Today those same people have substituted an entirely different section of the American public as the target of our scorn, but use the same tactics.

Sure, there are racists and fascists to whom Trumps message is music to their ears. But if you think that 43% of the American electorate supports him because they fall within that category, you simply fail to understand.

The best description I've heard for it is it pertains to your place in line. Think of your position as a place in a long line, heading up over a hill. Over the crest is the American dream.

The line is long, and you are a long way from the crest. But you are proud of where you are at, and what got you there. You may not have an Ivy league education. But you get up in the morning and you go to work. You go to church and try to live your life in a way that has been taught to you as being morally upright. You help friends, neighbors and family members who are in need.

But you don't seem to be moving in that line. You are a patient man. Sometimes it feels like you advance. But most days you feel like you are in the same place you were in yesterday, or maybe even further behind.

But they wait, because that's what they've been taught to do.

Then they see that other people are being moved ahead of them in the line. The other people may be minorities. They are told that these people deserve to go ahead of you in line for that job, or for that spot in college your kid wanted. You see Michelle Obama and you ask, how could she afford to go to Columbia and Harvard. My daddy worked as a municipal worker too, and he couldn't have afforded that. She must have been given help that you weren't given.

They see the woman they went to high school with but who now works for the County. You got better grades than she did. You work longer hours and at a job that is substantially more difficult. Yet she has a public pension waiting for her when she retires and gets four weeks of paid vacation. Why does she now move ahead of you in line?

And the people who are telling them they must yield their place in line are people who refer to them as racist, as a hillbilly, as an uneducated redneck.

When they hear Donald Trump speak, they hear someone say that their place in line will be protected. It's all nonsense of course, but that is what they hear.

But please, just keep reducing it to the "they're just a bunch of racist old rednecks who will soon be dead" argument.
Yeah, all I got out this was "black people got helped out when I didn't so * that" (racism) and "I hate people who do slightly better than me so I most destroy them instead of going after the actual people who *ed me." (Unions and "gubmint")

So basically ignorant, racist rednecks.
 
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXIV: Both candidates are the same, but here's why yours is aw

So, early results and calls will be coming in on the east coast as soon as polls close. So what should we look for? If Hillary takes Fl and PA, is it pretty much impossible for Drumpf? Add in SC and it's over?
 
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXIV: Both candidates are the same, but here's why yours is aw

.....
But please, just keep reducing it to the "they're just a bunch of racist old rednecks who will soon be dead" argument.

there are always going to be racist old rednecks growing down on the farm. always.

*white people have more in common with colored people than they do with rich people.
 
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