Campaign 2016 Part XXIV: Both candidates are the same, but here's why yours is awful

[The Sicatoka]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXIV: Both candidates are the same, but here's why yours is aw

burd has been asking for a Hillary Clinton email.

Well, State finally heard the desperate pleas.

Hillary Deleted Email Showing She Forwarded Classified Information To Her Daughter

Not good enough? Here's the redacted email right from State.gov.

The summary:

- the email had to be completely redacted (for classified) before release

- "H" (Hillary Clinton) sent it to the "@clintonmail.com" domain; note here I don't care who "Diane Reynolds" is, the key is the target domain is unsecured.

Sorry burd, all I could find for you so far is just that one.

 

[Spartanforlife4]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXIV: Both candidates are the same, but here's why yours is aw

Unless I'm misunderstanding something, that information wasn't classified until almost six years after she sent it.

 

[Slap Shot]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXIV: Both candidates are the same, but here's why yours is aw

Yabut EMAILS!

For those insisting Hillary has it in the bag don't watch last night's Real Time. Or maybe you should. I am nervous as s**t myself.

 

[Handyman]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXIV: Both candidates are the same, but here's why yours is aw

How much you want to bet that there will still be harassment at the polls? They will totally ignore the courts, preventing as many votes as possible, and "beg" forgiveness after. Which will work if they go to jail after getting don the most votes.

So many times we see the "law and order" party totally ignore the laws and courts they don't agree with. Terrible people.

I dont think that will be the case. I think you will see that the workers at the voting locations will be told that if they sense any harassment they are to immediately call the cops. Ohio isnt going to let itself be the next 2000 Florida.

 

[Handyman]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXIV: Both candidates are the same, but here's why yours is aw

burd has been asking for a Hillary Clinton email.

Well, State finally heard the desperate pleas.

Hillary Deleted Email Showing She Forwarded Classified Information To Her Daughter

Not good enough? Here's the redacted email right from State.gov.

The summary:

- the email had to be completely redacted (for classified) before release

- "H" (Hillary Clinton) sent it to the "@clintonmail.com" domain; note here I don't care who "Diane Reynolds" is, the key is the target domain is unsecured.

Sorry burd, all I could find for you so far is just that one.

Are you going to tell the whole story...or pretend you found the gotcha moment. Dont be Faux News now actually explain to burd that when Hillary sent that email it was not classified...or just admit you are trolling/framing to make it fit your world view.

 

[GrinCDXX]

Unless I'm misunderstanding something, that information wasn't classified until almost six years after she sent it.

He probably just forgot to mention that detail. He definitely wouldn't leave that out intentionally.

 

[Handyman]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXIV: Both candidates are the same, but here's why yours is aw

Yabut EMAILS!

For those insisting Hillary has it in the bag don't watch last night's Real Time. Or maybe you should. I am nervous as s**t myself.

I watched it...and Martin Short nailed it. (ripping the media about making it closer than it is and about this incessant need for networks to seem unbiased by having Pro Trump people on panels to defend him which legitimizes him) Maher and everyone else (myself included) is right to be scared (though he is playing fast and loose with some of his reasoning) because it can happen and if it does we are all in serious trouble...just that none of the actual facts are showing it is going to. There is still time though and people still need to go out and vote if they want to make sure of it. If the media scare tactics are good for one thing, it is making sure liberals get off their *** and vote.

And outside of Rover no one is insisting she "has it in the bag". What some of us are saying is if you look past the noise and look at the numbers out there you will see we arent on deaths door and in fact are doing well. Even 538 has her at 64% in all 3 and that has been the one most volatile of late because of the new polls daily. The actual voter counts though go against what a lot of the polls have been saying and need to be given more weight than the polls do. Black voting was catching up in NC, Hispanic voting up 150% (nearly 500k Hispanics have voted already!) in Florida, Women voting through the roof, long lines past 10pm in Nevada...now we dont know for sure but the odds are pretty good the vast majority of them are voting for Clinton. I will take all that over the 5th ABC/LA Times/IBD/Survey Monkey/Bobs Retail Food Mart Poll of the last 5 days.

And see there is another part of this, the dirty little secret everyone is forgetting...many of these news services know that their gravy train is ending. It has been click city the past few months and they have been living the high life. Unless we have another 2000 though that ends rather abruptly. They need to milk this for everything they have the next few days which is why there is new articles every hour, new polls every day and new "bombshells" (which arent even close but are often interesting like the National Enquirer Donald Trump affair story) on demand. They need to get while the getting is good!

It isnt over until a winner is declared...but we dont have to act like we are down 10 points with 3 minutes left in the 4th quarter just because we fear what could happen.

 

[The Rube]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXIV: Both candidates are the same, but here's why yours is aw

I've been saying for quite a while that Hillary has this thing won.

If I'm reading your post correctly, the media is making it closer using whatever numbers they can come up with b/c that means more viewers to see what's going on.

Yes, there could be some last minute Ventura type victory, I suppose, for Trump, but I don't see that happening. That's a lot of ground to make up.

 

[The Sicatoka]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXIV: Both candidates are the same, but here's why yours is aw

So it's classified now, but not then*. OK.

Why is she sending work stuff to her kids? Do folks here sent work information to their kids?

Why'd she delete it? That's a FOIA and government records problem. ("Careless mishandling.") Was she worried she'd violated "waste, fraud, and abuse" rules for misusing government equipment for personal business (yoga, wedding plans, etc)?


*I honestly did not know that was classified after it was sent. And clearly I can't read it now. Please provide me a link so I can read up on other such documents.

 

[The Sicatoka]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXIV: Both candidates are the same, but here's why yours is aw

Food for thought:

When WJC and Loretta Lynch met in Phoenix to talk grandkids (she has none) and golf (it was 112F that day in PHX), we knew DoJ was investigating WJC's wife.

We didn't know of the open investigations of the Clinton Foundation going on then until just recently.

 

[Spartanforlife4]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXIV: Both candidates are the same, but here's why yours is aw

So it's classified now, but not then*. OK.

Why is she sending work stuff to her kids? Do folks here sent work information to their kids?

Why'd she delete it? That's a FOIA and government records problem. ("Careless mishandling.") Was she worried she'd violated "waste, fraud, and abuse" rules for misusing government equipment for personal business (yoga, wedding plans, etc)?


*I honestly did not know that was classified after it was sent. And clearly I can't read it now. Please provide me a link so I can read up on other such documents.

It literally says on the document you were very happy to link, "Classified by DAS, A/GIS, DoS on 10/30/2015"

 

[dxmnkd316]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXIV: Both candidates are the same, but here's why yours is aw

I believe sic. He was just so eager to post it that he didn't vet it. We all suffer from that from time to time. All of us.

He's asking the right questions, but they also pale in comparison to the issues with Trump. So Hillary sent her daughter information that might make us scratch our head. Does that really represent an existential crisis to western democracy like Trump does?

 

[Handyman]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXIV: Both candidates are the same, but here's why yours is aw

Yes that is what I am saying Brent.

If the Female/Black/Latino numbers are an indicator...Drumpf better hope there is a large contingent of uneducated White Men around that have been in the shadows cause the numbers dont look good for him

Democrats Surge in Nevada

Over 57,000 votes were cast in populous Clark County, a single-day record that propelled Democrats to a statewide ballot edge larger than they held at the same point in 2012, when President Barack Obama won Nevada by nearly 7 points.

“Looks like Drumpf got his wall after all. A wall of beautiful voters,” wrote Yvanna Cancela of the local Culinary Union, which has played a key role in Democrats’ get-out-the-vote operations this year. That union also represents the workers who recently voted to organize Drumpf International hotel on the Vegas strip.

Democrats also overtook Republicans in Nevada’s second largest county, surrounding Reno, which has historically been closely contested.

“If you have a panic button GOP, find it,” tweeted Jon Ralston, a veteran political reporter in the state. “May be game over in NV for GOP.”

People are motivated and voting...that is better for Clinton than it is for Drumpf and the numbers have shown that for months. He needed liberals to stay home...they arent. (so far)

LETS KEEP IT THAT WAY!

 

[Slap Shot]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXIV: Both candidates are the same, but here's why yours is aw

It literally says on the document you were very happy to link, "Classified by DAS, A/GIS, DoS on 10/30/2015"

As if he's actually interested.

 

[Handyman]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXIV: Both candidates are the same, but here's why yours is aw

I believe sic. He was just so eager to post it that he didn't vet it. We all suffer from that from time to time. All of us.

He's asking the right questions, but they also pale in comparison to the issues with Trump. So Hillary sent her daughter information that might make us scratch our head. Does that really represent an existential crisis to western democracy like Trump does?

I meant to put a smilie in my post...I dont think he was trolling but he does tend to skew his stuff sometimes to get things going. And this is a topic he is very big on.

As for people who send work stuff to family...pretty much everyone I know has done it. Without knowing the nature of what was sent I cant tell you why she did it. If it wasnt classified though who cares? Seems like a lot of hand wringing over something that wasnt illegal at the time.

 

[Spartanforlife4]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXIV: Both candidates are the same, but here's why yours is aw

This is too easy for The Onion.

 

[Rover]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXIV: Both candidates are the same, but here's why yours is aw

I watched it...and Martin Short nailed it. (ripping the media about making it closer than it is and about this incessant need for networks to seem unbiased by having Pro Trump people on panels to defend him which legitimizes him) Maher and everyone else (myself included) is right to be scared (though he is playing fast and loose with some of his reasoning) because it can happen and if it does we are all in serious trouble...just that none of the actual facts are showing it is going to. There is still time though and people still need to go out and vote if they want to make sure of it. If the media scare tactics are good for one thing, it is making sure liberals get off their *** and vote.

And outside of Rover no one is insisting she "has it in the bag". What some of us are saying is if you look past the noise and look at the numbers out there you will see we arent on deaths door and in fact are doing well. Even 538 has her at 64% in all 3 and that has been the one most volatile of late because of the new polls daily. The actual voter counts though go against what a lot of the polls have been saying and need to be given more weight than the polls do. Black voting was catching up in NC, Hispanic voting up 150% (nearly 500k Hispanics have voted already!) in Florida, Women voting through the roof, long lines past 10pm in Nevada...now we dont know for sure but the odds are pretty good the vast majority of them are voting for Clinton. I will take all that over the 5th ABC/LA Times/IBD/Survey Monkey/Bobs Retail Food Mart Poll of the last 5 days.

And see there is another part of this, the dirty little secret everyone is forgetting...many of these news services know that their gravy train is ending. It has been click city the past few months and they have been living the high life. Unless we have another 2000 though that ends rather abruptly. They need to milk this for everything they have the next few days which is why there is new articles every hour, new polls every day and new "bombshells" (which arent even close but are often interesting like the National Enquirer Donald Trump affair story) on demand. They need to get while the getting is good!

It isnt over until a winner is declared...but we dont have to act like we are down 10 points with 3 minutes left in the 4th quarter just because we fear what could happen.

Spot on except for the slanderous Rover comments. "In the bag" is a little strong but for Trump to win it wouldn't be a Brexit type upset which simpletons and lazy news media types cling to. It would be like Bernie winning the Michigan primary. Possible? Sure. Likely that Trump pulls that off? No, since again he's not appealing to anybody but angry old uneducated white dudes.

 

[French Rage]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXIV: Both candidates are the same, but here's why yours is aw

Surge of Latino early voting in Arizona: http://www.azcentral.com/story/news...medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark

Article also mentions a similar trend in early voting in Nevada.

How's that outreach plan working, fellas?

 

[Wisko McBadgerton]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXIV: Both candidates are the same, but here's why yours is aw

Assuming that cap is legit, he was a Green Beret. Interesting coat though, looks like a Civil War reproduction, with (presumably) his medals tacked on...

<img src="http://i.imgur.com/k1i2lcF.png" height=400 width=700></img>

Not exactly showing respect for the Commander in Chief with the rest of his outfit though - figures. He'd probably be in proper full dress for a Republican.

That coat is US Army Dress Blues. Specifically, (if it's indeed his, which seems very likely as he's the right age) this gentleman wears the "Airborne" uniform patch US Army Special Forces and the beret patch of 7th Group which was the first to fight in Vietnam and Laos in highly covert missions well before Americans even knew where Vietnam was. 7th Special Forces is the direct descendant of the famed WWII "Devil's Brigade" and has been (and is) at the very tip of the lance worldwide for 60+ years.
Additionally this at least E-6 Sergeant wears the "Screaming Eagle" crest of the 101st Airborne which deployed in 1967 and spearheaded numerous battles all over Vietnam, perhaps most notably "Hamburger Hill" and "Firebase Ripcord".

His uniform also includes the US Combat infantry badge (for direct armed combat with the enemy), The Vietnam Campaign Medal, The Purple Heart, and even more notably, The Bronze Star with Cluster and V Device. Clusters are awarded for multiple awards of the same medal and the V device is awarded solely to denote "participation in acts of heroism involving conflict with an armed enemy."

Back in the day this gentleman was among the very baddest of the bad, a real heart-breaker and life-taker, and a GENUINE war HERO. The President was right to show him some respect, you dirty hippies.

 

[aparch]

That coat is US Army Dress Blues. Specifically, (if it's indeed his, which seems very likely as he's the right age) this gentleman wears the "Airborne" uniform patch US Army Special Forces and the beret patch of 7th Group which was the first to fight in Vietnam and Laos in highly covert missions well before Americans even knew where Vietnam was. 7th Special Forces is the direct descendant of the famed WWII "Devil's Brigade" and has been (and is) at the very tip of the lance worldwide for 60+ years.
Additionally this E-5 Sergeant wears the "Screaming Eagle" crest of the 101st Airborne which deployed in 1967 and spearheaded numerous battles all over Vietnam, perhaps most notably "Hamburger Hill" and "Firebase Ripcord".

His uniform also includes the US Combat infantry badge (for direct armed combat with the enemy), The Vietnam Campaign Medal, The Purple Heart, and even more notably, The Bronze Star with Cluster and V Device. Clusters are awarded for multiple awards of the same medal and the V device is awarded solely to denote "participation in acts of heroism involving conflict with an armed enemy."

Back in the day this gentleman was among the very baddest of the bad, a real heart-breaker and life-taker, and a GENUINE war HERO. The President was right to show him some respect, you dirty hippies.

The most embarrassing part is that the man this veteran supports wouldn't have taken the time to realize what you posted, nor would his staffers.

On the other hand, I doubt Obama noticed the same nuances that were posted, but this is just a reminder:
Obama, and Hillary have embraced these protesters under the name of free speech.
Trump has asked for protesters to be removed, cancelled events due to protestors, and even wanted a crying child thrown out of his rallies.