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Campaign 2016 Part XXIII: The Penultimate Thread

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Hey wont someone think of the white man!!

BTW I get Louis' emails...he put out the comment about Hillary because 6 months ago he said in another email that since we just had 8 years of Dems it is probably good to have the other side of the coin in power. (balance) This was him retracting that because of Drumpf.
 
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Trump and Hillary remind me of the infamous Flyers/Lightning game from 2011 where the Flyers tried to wait out the Lightning's trap game.

Both Trump and Hillary are playing prevent defense.
 
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Well remember what Carlin said "Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that."
 
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Wisko McBadgerton said:
My personal worst case scenario is a 2000 like result that is in doubt and extends the long National Nightmare of this campaign. :(
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The sides are already lining up attorneys to fight the post fight wars ala 2000. We're well on our way already.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
The public needs to see her again.
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... as long as she isn't slurring her speech or stumbling around... ;)

dxmnkd316 said:
It's also smart that she's re-airing the 'Children' ad again. The public needs to be reminded what a Trump presidency represents.
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Outside the bubble, Trump is now being seen as the "safer" candidate (reporting observations folks, not advocating. Anecdotal but still, my state is so blue....):
-- what he said is about the same as what Bill did and so that's a wash
-- HRC herself acknowledged that Trump pays women the same as men if they do their jobs as well as men
-- Trump is really skilled at intimidating people: the more people fear you, the less likely it is that they will go to war against you.
-- here, at least, people are "meh" about the classified information sent in unclassified emails. they are far more offended by the multi-million dollar donations to the Clinton Foundation while she was Secretary of State. Chris Dodd was absolutely slaughtered over his Countrywide mortgage scandal; her money-for-influence stuff is right in the same ballpark here.
-- both political parties despise Trump; if he goes off the rails, no problem for them to unite to remove him from office. With HRC, everything will be even more partisan than ever.
-- since neither party has any loyalty to Trump, we might actually have a functional Congress again. People are just exhausted from the last 12 years of constant bickering over ephemeral trivialities, not to mention WWI-style trench warfare over anything of any significance. No more of supporting the President purely out of partisan loyalty; Congress will actually have to assess the issues on their own merits.
-- Trump doesn't drink alcohol; HRC is at least a "social drinker" and there are unclear indications in some of those Wikileaks emails that it might even be a bit more serious than that, maybe....

Nothing in this election has been based on reason or rational thought. HRC made the entire election about "scary Trump" and ever since Trump stopped acting scary, he's been gaining in the polls.
 
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Wisko McBadgerton said:
I don't think you are going to see her give one interview the rest of the way.
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She won't come anywhere near that or a press conference until after the Electoral College meets.

The risk/reward curve says anything positive she may say would get blown up by just one Weiner/Abedin or Brasile question for a net negative.
 
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Handyman said:
Well remember what Carlin said "Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that."
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This isn't an intelligence problem. Most people are by definition of average intelligence, and that average probably hasn't changed significantly in the 6000 years of human civilization. While the mean intelligence of Trump supporters is almost certainly below the national mean, it isn't that much lower. It's still well within the first standard deviation of the national mean.

This is a tribalism problem. People aren't picking Trump for his ideas. He doesn't have any. They're picking him as a middle finger to the tribes they hate: the educated, minorities, non-Christians, LGBT, feminists.

For our whole history we had to pitch everything to the LCD rural white backbone of the country. Even as their numbers cratered we kept on checking whether it "played in Peoria" as a sort of reflex. You got richer marketing down than marketing up. Car ads and beer ads and political campaign ads acted like the country was composed primarily of conservative white Christians. If you strayed from those norms you were attacked night and day by reactionaries. It was safer to keep pretending we were a segregated, straight, church-going, Bud drinking nation of Missourians.

And now that's finally over. Having clutched the levers of power decades longer than their demographically dying real numbers should have allowed, they are realizing they have lost their grip. First a black man with a funny name and now a woman who didn't bake cookies are going to occupy the White House. So they're having a temper tantrum, dressed up with a lot of religious mumbo jumbo and transparently self-serving political bullsh-t to hide their fury that they will have to share America from here on out. They are losing their privilege without even having realized what it was. It was for them just "the way things are" in "Real 'Murica."

So they're going to gripe and grumble, and some of them are going to be violent, but the war's over. This has been a cold war that started in the late 50s and has been grinding along for almost 60 years, wasting our national resources, but now we are near the end. The end game is containment -- keep them away from any method of hurting others, and let them die off naturally. Their own kids will bury them under the ruins of their many walls.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
She won't come anywhere near that or a press conference until after the Electoral College meets.

The risk/reward curve says anything positive she may say would get blown up by just one Weiner/Abedin or Brasile question for a net negative.
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She might need to restrict her appearances at campaign rallies, too. She sort of lost it last night responding to a heckler.
 
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538 thinks McMullin has a better chance of pulling in an electoral vote than Gary Johnson.
 
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FreshFish said:
... as long as she isn't slurring her speech or stumbling around... ;)



Outside the bubble, Trump is now being seen as the "safer" candidate (reporting observations folks, not advocating. Anecdotal but still, my state is so blue....):
-- what he said is about the same as what Bill did and so that's a wash
-- HRC herself acknowledged that Trump pays women the same as men if they do their jobs as well as men
-- Trump is really skilled at intimidating people: the more people fear you, the less likely it is that they will go to war against you.
-- here, at least, people are "meh" about the classified information sent in unclassified emails. they are far more offended by the multi-million dollar donations to the Clinton Foundation while she was Secretary of State. Chris Dodd was absolutely slaughtered over his Countrywide mortgage scandal; her money-for-influence stuff is right in the same ballpark here.
-- both political parties despise Trump; if he goes off the rails, no problem for them to unite to remove him from office. With HRC, everything will be even more partisan than ever.
-- since neither party has any loyalty to Trump, we might actually have a functional Congress again. People are just exhausted from the last 12 years of constant bickering over ephemeral trivialities, not to mention WWI-style trench warfare over anything of any significance. No more of supporting the President purely out of partisan loyalty; Congress will actually have to assess the issues on their own merits.
-- Trump doesn't drink alcohol; HRC is at least a "social drinker" and there are unclear indications in some of those Wikileaks emails that it might even be a bit more serious than that, maybe....

Nothing in this election has been based on reason or rational thought. HRC made the entire election about "scary Trump" and ever since Trump stopped acting scary, he's been gaining in the polls.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k80afSxFtHE
 
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FreshFish said:
-- HRC herself acknowledged that Trump pays women the same as men if they do their jobs as well as men
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You still really don't get this, do you? Trump also said he would have paid those hundreds of contractors he stiffed for their work "if they had done a good enough job".

Sure, to a group of men, "paid the same if they do the same work" sounds fair, just the same as "separate, but equal" made a lot of sense to white people 120 years ago. In practice, it doesn't work that way though. Almost every woman has personal anecdotal experience, and we have enough data points to know, that that absolutely isn't the case, and it's a problem on an institutional level. While Trump's message may help you feel better about your awful beliefs, it's a big, bright sign to most women that says "More of the same old BS"
 
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The Jane Doe that claimed Trump raped her at a party in 1994 is holding her first press conference this afternoon.
 
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