Campaign 2016 Part XXII: Mamas Don't Let Your Babies Grow Up to be Politicians!

[Handyman]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXII: Mamas Don't Let Your Babies Grow Up to be Politicians!

I'm simply saying I had Today on this morning for about an hour. To be fair I wasn't glued to it, but I never heard one single thing Clinton said. Or any other single thing Trump said in that time. Again I didn't see the debate, but is it the contention that that was the only thing said last night, or at least nothing else said merited mentioning in an hour of debate coverage? Anything else, if it exists, was ignored. That strikes me as odd, but perhaps it is indeed a terrific job of reporting.

Maybe you should go somewhere other than The Today Show for your political news...what couldnt get Faux and Friends on?

Every major newspaper, magazine and TV network covered the debate and what was said. You literally have to try not to find it to miss it.

 

[mookie1995]

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Video of Drumpf From 2008 Praising the Clintons

“I think her history is far from being over, “ Drumpf said when asked about her legacy. “I’d like to answer that question in another 15 years from now. I think she is going to go down at a minimum as a great senator. I think she is a great wife to a president. And I think Bill Clinton was a great president.”

He wasn’t done with his gushing praise.

“You know, you look at the country then,” he continued. “The economy was doing great. Look at what happened during the Clinton years. I mean we had no war, the economy was doing great, everybody was happy.”

**** Donald if you had acted like that at the debates you may have had a shot

which debate? not the one where he was holding the repub nomination

 

[Handyman]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXII: Mamas Don't Let Your Babies Grow Up to be Politicians!

which debate? not the one where he was holding the repub nomination

Any of them...he lost ground after each one (well we assume he is going to lose big after last nights performance) pulling his "she is evil" schtick (if you are evil calling others evil doesnt help your cause) worked for all of two weeks since the convention perhaps a different strategy was needed.

Of course this clown thinks one Senator can change all of Health Care and the Tax Code by herself and blames her for military decisions from after she resigned as SecState so expecting him to understand basic debate tactics might be trying too hard. No wonder you love him so much mookie he speaks like you post

 

[5mn_Major]

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Video of Drumpf From 2008 Praising the Clintons

“I think her history is far from being over, “ Drumpf said when asked about her legacy. “I’d like to answer that question in another 15 years from now. I think she is going to go down at a minimum as a great senator. I think she is a great wife to a president. And I think Bill Clinton was a great president.”

He wasn’t done with his gushing praise.

“You know, you look at the country then,” he continued. “The economy was doing great. Look at what happened during the Clinton years. I mean we had no war, the economy was doing great, everybody was happy.”

**** Donald if you had acted like that at the debates you may have had a shot

Where's the commercial? "Bill Clinton was a great president and Hillary Clinton is a great woman."

Hopefully, responsible conservatism will arise out of these ashes and contribute again. As or more important, hopefully this campaign will be another nail in the coffin of the 1950s social order.

Color me pessimistic. But I doubt it. I fully expected 2008 to be a period of GOP mass reflection. It was a period of amnesia.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXII: Mamas Don't Let Your Babies Grow Up to be Politicians!

And Ayn Rand.

That's just sex appeal.

 

[Kepler]

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I asked that the other day. Appears Trickle Down is a leg of the conservative stool.

Trickle Down is the far right unicycle. The GOP exists solely to perpetuate the greatest tax dodge in US history:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e8/US_high-income_effective_tax_rates.png

Those are effective rates, not brackets. Result:

http://zfacts.com/sites/all/files/image/debt/US-national-debt-GDP.png

The 1980 tax cuts for the rich siphoned trillions of dollars from the public treasury, in the form of sovereign debt, to the pockets of the 1%. That is the history of the last 36 years of the United States.

The way out is simply to retrace our steps: restore the pre-Reagan tax structure, restore the middle class, pay down the debt with the revenue generated by the expansion of the economy.

What Reagan et al did was a heist -- his chief economist David Stockman has admitted it. He had a nice smile and he rode horses in photos ops so people loved him as he was cutting their throats. The Laffer Curve is even a valid concept: it just turns out that the optimal rate is somewhere between the Kennedy cuts and the Nixon rates. The Reagan cuts have destroyed the middle class economy, but bribery has kept them in place. It really is that simple.

 

[French Rage]

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Where's the commercial? "Bill Clinton was a great president and Hillary Clinton is a great woman."

If not as much to win over undecideds as to **** of his supporters and get them to stay home.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Trickle Down is the far right unicycle. The GOP exists solely to perpetuate the greatest tax dodge in US history:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e8/US_high-income_effective_tax_rates.png

Those are effective rates, not brackets. Result:

http://zfacts.com/sites/all/files/image/debt/US-national-debt-GDP.png

The 1980 tax cuts for the rich siphoned trillions of dollars from the public treasury, in the form of sovereign debt, to the pockets of the 1%. That is the history of the last 36 years of the United States.

The way out is simply to retrace our steps: restore the pre-Reagan tax structure, restore the middle class, pay down the debt with the revenue generated by the expansion of the economy.

What Reagan et al did was a heist -- his chief economist David Stockman has admitted it. He had a nice smile and he rode horses in photos ops so people loved him as he was cutting their throats. The Laffer Curve is even a valid concept: it just turns out that the optimal rate is somewhere between the Kennedy cuts and the Nixon rates. The Reagan cuts have destroyed the middle class economy, but bribery has kept them in place. It really is that simple.

Well, it certainly has had an impact on my life. I wish I was smart enough that it hadn't, but I'm not. You add what trickle down did to what Wall Street/Banks did in the 2000's and your talking about the destruction of the most important economic engine of the United States. The Middle Class.

 

[5mn_Major]

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Interesting article on 538 as to what it would take for Trump to pull off a victory. One example used is a Brexit level of misread of polling. Even so if polling was off by a Brexit amount, Trump would improve to only lose on a scale similar to that of Romney. It just goes to show what's got to happen here.

 

[Rover]

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Regarding trickle down tax cuts for the 1%, I think its a dead issue. Consider the following:

1) Only time this argument has worked after the 1980's is Bush in 2000, and that's when we had an unprecedented surplus (and he still got outvoted).

2) The bread and butter Trump voter doesn't give a rat's arse about tax cuts for the rich. That's not in alignment with nationalist populism. Both Dems and Goopers feel the system is rigged. Passing the umpteeth tax cut for the wealthy doesn't allay that feeling.

The Trumpism that has taken over the party can be summed up as "Gimme Mine and Screw Everybody Else". People like Weasel Paul Ryan are a man without a party. Nobody aside from big donors wants top level tax breaks, unfettered free trade, and cheap illegal immigrant labor. The only reason why these are still in the conversation is because these people wrote the checks. When a self funder or self promoter like Trump comes along, or if a righty replicates the Bernie Sanders small donor funding method, the Ayn Rand disciples will truly be SOL.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Regarding trickle down tax cuts for the 1%, I think its a dead issue. Consider the following:

1) Only time this argument has worked after the 1980's is Bush in 2000, and that's when we had an unprecedented surplus (and he still got outvoted).

2) The bread and butter Trump voter doesn't give a rat's arse about tax cuts for the rich. That's not in alignment with nationalist populism. Both Dems and Goopers feel the system is rigged. Passing the umpteeth tax cut for the wealthy doesn't allay that feeling.

The Trumpism that has taken over the party can be summed up as "Gimme Mine and Screw Everybody Else". People like Weasel Paul Ryan are a man without a party. Nobody aside from big donors wants top level tax breaks, unfettered free trade, and cheap illegal immigrant labor. The only reason why these are still in the conversation is because these people wrote the checks. When a self funder or self promoter like Trump comes along, or if a righty replicates the Bernie Sanders small donor funding method, the Ayn Rand disciples will truly be SOL.

Dead issue? It's not a dead issue. The tax code isn't even close to being back to what it was before Reagan.

 

[MaizeRage]

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I'm simply saying I had Today on this morning for about an hour. To be fair I wasn't glued to it, but I never heard one single thing Clinton said. Or any other single thing Trump said in that time. Again I didn't see the debate, but is it the contention that that was the only thing said last night, or at least nothing else said merited mentioning in an hour of debate coverage? Anything else, if it exists, was ignored. That strikes me as odd, but perhaps it is indeed a terrific job of reporting.

The contention is that he said(or I guess didn't say) something that is dangerous and completely without precedent from someone that close--if you can even still call him that--to the presidency. Focusing that much attention on it is the right thing to do because it's a really big deal. Presenting some false dichotomy of "Trump questioned the legitimacy of our democratic system, but Hillary's budget projections were a little too rosy" in the interest of "fairness to both sides" is irresponsible.

 

[mookie1995]

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Presenting some false dichotomy of "Trump questioned the legitimacy of our democratic system.." ..is irresponsible.

FINALLY!!!!!!

thank you

 

[Kepler]

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Regarding trickle down tax cuts for the 1%, I think its a dead issue.

No, it is not a dead issue because the rates persist, and every day they do is just digging the hole deeper, harming the middle class more, generating a greater wealth gap, and increasing the bribery of Members to not address the original mistake.

In a just world, we'd claw it all back -- but there is no practical way to do that which I have seen. Piketty's wealth tax would be a start. A 100% estate tax above $100M isn't a bad idea either.

Congress is on the take -- and not just the Republicans. Yes, the GOP is far worse, but the Dems also get huge checks from the donor class. The only way to even start down the road to economic health is to banish bribery from politics. It should not be that controversial. What we have now is a system where you're on trial and you and the prosecutor both slip the judge money for "access." In any other world that is criminal behavior. The only reason it's legal for Members is they write their own laws.

 

[mookie1995]

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No, it is not a dead issue because the rates persist, and every day they do is just digging the hole deeper, harming the middle class more, generating a greater wealth gap, and increasing the bribery of Members to not address the original mistake.

In a just world, we'd claw it all back -- but there is no practical way to do that which I have seen. Piketty's wealth tax would be a start. A 100% estate tax above $100M isn't a bad idea either.

well the laffer curve IS real. the trick of course is finding the slope you are presently on there.

mookie loves estate taxes being penal. that after all WAS original intent by our smarter founders. thinking though first 20 (30?) years that gets earmarked to pay down outstanding debt. of course anyone with a brain will be distributing that wealth around and just then getting a nibble taken away via gift tax and dying 'poor'

 

[Rover]

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Guys, we need to deal with the present. Eisenhower or LBJ type tax rates aren't workable anymore. Why? BECAUSE THE PUBLIC ISN'T ON BOARD!!! Rightly or wrongly, voters won't accept a 70% tax rate on all income above $250K. So, lets deal with the situation as is. Hillary is proposing a wealth surcharge tax for the super rich. This goes a long way towards a fairer tax system. She's also proposing lifting the income cap on social security (I'm assuming for those over 250K a year). Again, these are realistic proposals that you can get through Congress with public support if you have a majority in both the House and Senate.

If you want Swedish type tax rates, you have to convince the public what a swell idea that is. Don't wait for politicians to commit political suicide for you, because that's just not what they're programmed to do.

 

[mookie1995]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXII: Mamas Don't Let Your Babies Grow Up to be Politicians!

Guys, we need to deal with the present. Eisenhower or LBJ type tax rates aren't workable anymore. Why? BECAUSE THE PUBLIC ISN'T ON BOARD!!! Rightly or wrongly, voters won't accept a 70% tax rate on all income above $250K. So, lets deal with the situation as is. Hillary is proposing a wealth surcharge tax for the super rich. This goes a long way towards a fairer tax system. She's also proposing lifting the income cap on social security (I'm assuming for those over 250K a year). Again, these are realistic proposals that you can get through Congress with public support if you have a majority in both the House and Senate.

If you want Swedish type tax rates, you have to convince the public what a swell idea that is. Don't wait for politicians to commit political suicide for you, because that's just not what they're programmed to do.

is you insane??!!?! 250k is not even ballpark to 'super rich'. save that rate for $5mm at the possible lowest level.

 

[mookie1995]

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moron john kerry was DOA when he let slip that 60k was 'super rich'. what a b00b

 

[Kepler]

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Rover, those are just warmed over DLC talking points from the 90s. A population where 60% voted for either Bernie or Trump might well support a return to genuine progressive tax rates. Third Way Dems will hate it, but que sera sera.

Emerson College just kicked out a poll with McMullin leading UT by 4 (6 corrected). He could really pick up those EV.

 

[Rover]

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is you insane??!!?! 250k is not even ballpark to 'super rich'. save that rate for $5mm at the possible lowest level.

Ummm....that's what I write mookie....