Campaign 2016 Part XXI: Do you love farce? My fault, I fear.

[The Sicatoka]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXI: Do you love farce? My fault, I fear.

... lamenting that there's no discussion about issues?

Have we heard even the whispers of a "first 100 days" plan from any as a final sales push? Nope. Two don't have anything but their one-trick pony issue; one doesn't want to talk about it because it may harm her poll numbers, and the last probably can't count to 100.

Election 2016: Caveat elector

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXI: Do you love farce? My fault, I fear.

Apologist? I've pinged him (haven't seen you ping Hillary). What I hate is lack of a total picture. Give me a full honest accounting of the good, the bad, and the ugly of both (all?) sides.

Face it, the halo ain't on square for any of these four Presidential candidates. (OK, a couple may have horns. ) And that covers personal, professional, and public lives for all.

And the Nobel for False Equivalency goes to...

Here's the thing.

I have no problem seeing Hillary as President of the United States.

I have no problem seeing Bernie as a tenured professor, but I'd balk at Dean.

I have no problem seeing Gary Johnson as an adjunct professor, but I wouldn't let him grade papers.

I have no problem seeing Jill Stein as running a stall at Saturday Market in Eugene, OR, as long as someone else counts the money.

I can't imagine any job I would hire Trump for. The tiny set of jobs I think he has the intellectual capacity to handle he would still be barred from by his emotional immaturity.

 

[The Sicatoka]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXI: Do you love farce? My fault, I fear.

what hurts are there is no issue to discuss from that side. just "HUGE" and "BIG LEAGUE".

C'mon man. I've shown how that's spelled: yuuuuuge. Do I have to buy you a dictionary from Jhina?

 

[The Sicatoka]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXI: Do you love farce? My fault, I fear.

And the Nobel for False Equivalency goes to...

There's no false equivalency.

Those four cajoled, careened, charisma'd, chamber potted, their ways to party nominations for President. Thus, we're left looking at, and head to head comparing, that mess of a rogue's gallery.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXI: Do you love farce? My fault, I fear.

There's no false equivalency.

Those four cajoled, careened, charisma'd, chamber potted, their ways to party nominations for President. Thus, we're left looking at, and head to head comparing, that mess of a rogue's gallery.

By your measure Richard Nixon and Jimmy Carter are morally equivalent.

Stay down, man. Stay down.

 

[mookie1995]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXI: Do you love farce? My fault, I fear.

Have we heard even the whispers of a "first 100 days" plan from any as a final sales push? Nope. Two don't have anything but their one-trick pony issue; one doesn't want to talk about it because it may harm her poll numbers, and the last probably can't count to 100.

Election 2016: Caveat elector

pretty sure she realized that if she is elected ain't nothing happening. all she can do is stack the court (maybe if the numbers allow her to nominate and they are passed). maybe then do some executive order, but that's it.

no way she is coming in and having congress write up some stuff that she will sign and pass.

sad, but that's it.


unless there is a tidal wave. but even then some of the newbies will be afraid to go full hilly. just like with the health care chitshow in 1992.

 

[Handyman]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXI: Do you love farce? My fault, I fear.

how come it didn't matter for bubba?

It didnt? Didnt we have a long drawn out investigation about Bill?

Sorry mookie your boy is dead

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXI: Do you love farce? My fault, I fear.

Trump is starting to drop below 40 in the national polls. Third parties tend to crater in the final weeks -- we might actually be looking at a > 10 point landslide. The real question is whether this is going to last.

 

[Handyman]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXI: Do you love farce? My fault, I fear.

I love that the NY Times is begging Drumpf to sue them

 

[The Sicatoka]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXI: Do you love farce? My fault, I fear.

By your measure Richard Nixon and Jimmy Carter are morally equivalent.

None of us had to stare at a ballot with Tricky and Peanut as the options.

What I have is this year's final four that I find none acceptable for various reasons. You find one. Congrats.

 

[The Sicatoka]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXI: Do you love farce? My fault, I fear.

Trump is starting to drop below 40 in the national polls. Third parties tend to crater in the final weeks -- we might actually be looking at a > 10 point landslide. The real question is whether this is going to last.

Like I said earlier today: 38%.

As far as down ballot races, my vote in ND doesn't matter: Cramer and Hoeven will win.

What I think is happening is Paul Ryan's tacit message is resonating: Trump's gonna lose .... yuuuuuge; quarantine the plague* by voting to contain it with Congress.


*plague is probably a tad strong; how about pneumonia.

 

[joecct]

It didnt? Didnt we have a long drawn out investigation about Bill?

Sorry mookie your boy is dead

Politically, Bill was untouchable and Newt should have known that. I think Bob Dole thought the trial was some Italian operatic comedy that everyone knew the outcome during the overture.

Nobody went after Bill criminally (statute of limitations??) but didn't he pay out something civilly?

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXI: Do you love farce? My fault, I fear.

Like I said earlier today: 38%.

I still find that stunning, assuming we don't have Perot level 3rd party turnout. All of my experience tells me that on Election Day the vast majority are still going to pull that lever for the guy with their letter after the name, just like you still root for your team even if you hate your coach.

Voting is so tribal now I can't imagine a candidate getting less than say 80% of his party's voters unless they go third party. These people have had "Hillary is the actual devil" pumped into their blood surrogate since birth. They're going to vote for Trump purely on muscle memory.

 

[joecct]

I still find that stunning, assuming we don't have Perot level 3rd party turnout. All of my experience tells me that on Election Day the vast majority are still going to pull that lever for the guy with their letter after the name, just like you still root for your team even if you hate your coach.

Voting is so tribal now I can't imagine a candidate getting less than say 80% of his party's voters unless they go third party. These people have had "Hillary is the actual devil" pumped into their blood surrogate since birth. They're going to vote for Trump purely on muscle memory.

Kep - she's a witch, not the devil incarnate!

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXI: Do you love farce? My fault, I fear.

Kep - she's a witch, not the devil incarnate!

Many people are saying...

 

[The Sicatoka]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXI: Do you love farce? My fault, I fear.

I can't imagine any job I would hire Trump for. The tiny set of jobs I think he has the intellectual capacity to handle he would still be barred from by his emotional immaturity.

He's the guy on the sales staff that you limit to specific accounts and when you take those specific accounts to dinner, he's the guy that takes them out on the town after. After you get to know those customers a little better he's the guy you let take them to his country club (where you really don't want to know what they talk about). Yup, the slimy, loud, all bravado salesman.

Jill Stine is the HR rep that talks a wonderful feel-good game but that can't spell "HSA" or understand that the company needs to make and sell widgets to stay in business.

Gary Johnson is the guy who proves the Peter Principle. He ran a department really well (you wonder how), but he's after a higher job and completely out of his depth.

Hillary Clinton is the in-house attorney that you wonder what side deals for herself she's making while she's drawing a paycheck from you.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXI: Do you love farce? My fault, I fear.

He's the guy on the sales staff that you limit to specific accounts and when you take those specific accounts to dinner, he's the guy that takes them out on the town after. After you get to know those customers a little better he's the guy you let take them to his country club (where you really don't want to know what they talk about). Yup, the slimy, loud, all bravado salesman.

That's an invitation to seven lawsuits and maybe if he gets nervous he takes out a contract on you. No thanks.

 

[unofan]

There's no false equivalency.

Yes there is. Denial isn't just a river in Egypt.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXI: Do you love farce? My fault, I fear.

Jill Stine is the HR rep that talks a wonderful feel-good game but that can't spell "HSA" or understand that the company needs to make and sell widgets to stay in business.

Gary Johnson is the guy who proves the Peter Principle. He ran a department really well (you wonder how), but he's after a higher job and completely out of his depth.

Hillary Clinton is the in-house attorney that you wonder what side deals for herself she's making while she's drawing a paycheck from you.

I'm cool with these except Hillary. Although she is the attorney, she's the first female senior partner in the white shoe firm who fought her way past all the as-sholes in the 70s and 80s and does not suffer fools gladly. If you are valuable to the firm she will treat you well. The moment you become a problem you will be gone before you even see it coming.

 

[The Sicatoka]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXI: Do you love farce? My fault, I fear.

That's an invitation to seven lawsuits and maybe if he gets nervous he takes out a contract on you. No thanks.

Your analogies were more academia; mine were more business world.

And the reality is, there are more Trumps out there in sales forces than either of us care to admit. I know who they are in my structure; with them I always seem to have a presentation to put together back in the hotel after a "sales dinner with the project engineer along for the details". I already know how hot dogs are made.

That is the reality of a sadly significant portion of American business. (I say sadly because I make better "mousetraps" and wish they'd sell on technical merit alone.)