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Campaign 2016 Part XXI: Do you love farce? My fault, I fear.
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Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXI: Do you love farce? My fault, I fear.
"Voting is a right, not a duty, and not a moral obligation. "
That's a direct quote from his answer. Box.
"Voting is a right, not a duty, and not a moral obligation. "
That's a direct quote from his answer. Box.
ScoobyDoo
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Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXI: Do you love farce? My fault, I fear.
And that somehow elevates him to a higher plane? That's not insight it's arrogance.
And that somehow elevates him to a higher plane? That's not insight it's arrogance.
ScoobyDoo
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Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXI: Do you love farce? My fault, I fear.
I'm not in the box. You are. You're playing both sides of a fence with only one side.
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXI: Do you love farce? My fault, I fear.
See this every 4 years. The self appointed moralist who sniffs that nobody running for Prez is up to their high standards so they won't vote. Who the F cares what these people think? Yeah, maybe it fooled Brent but for the rest of us we've seen it all before. If you don't want to vote, don't but as a favor to the rest of us do it silently please.
See this every 4 years. The self appointed moralist who sniffs that nobody running for Prez is up to their high standards so they won't vote. Who the F cares what these people think? Yeah, maybe it fooled Brent but for the rest of us we've seen it all before. If you don't want to vote, don't but as a favor to the rest of us do it silently please.
bostonewe
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Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXI: Do you love farce? My fault, I fear.
I really want to like Mike Rowe, but I feel like this statement defines his personality.
I will be voting because my grandmother (a civil rights activist in the 60s) noted that generations before you worked hard for you to earn the right to vote and, if nothing else, you should honor them by voting. Even if it's a write in.
I really want to like Mike Rowe, but I feel like this statement defines his personality.
I will be voting because my grandmother (a civil rights activist in the 60s) noted that generations before you worked hard for you to earn the right to vote and, if nothing else, you should honor them by voting. Even if it's a write in.
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXI: Do you love farce? My fault, I fear.
Not sure this is worth all the fury. The way I read is, the guy is answering (when asked) that it's not his job to make sure someone else goes out and votes. It's up to the individual to become educated enough to make the best choice for themselves. If you somehow disagree, fine. But is that the hill you want to die on? Relax.
Not sure this is worth all the fury. The way I read is, the guy is answering (when asked) that it's not his job to make sure someone else goes out and votes. It's up to the individual to become educated enough to make the best choice for themselves. If you somehow disagree, fine. But is that the hill you want to die on? Relax.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXI: Do you love farce? My fault, I fear.
And I would hope everyone who goes to a US public school would be learning that in history class.
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXI: Do you love farce? My fault, I fear.
Celebrities encourage people to vote (i.e., read something someone else wrote for them) because, a) they've been persuaded a high voter turnout helps left-leaning candidates, and b) it gives them a sense of worth, to try to partially compensate for being paid millions to put out terrible movies and tv shows.
Mike Rowe is trying to counter that because he's been convinced a low voter turnout helps right-leaning candidates.
That pretty much sums up this dispute.
Celebrities encourage people to vote (i.e., read something someone else wrote for them) because, a) they've been persuaded a high voter turnout helps left-leaning candidates, and b) it gives them a sense of worth, to try to partially compensate for being paid millions to put out terrible movies and tv shows.
Mike Rowe is trying to counter that because he's been convinced a low voter turnout helps right-leaning candidates.
That pretty much sums up this dispute.
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXI: Do you love farce? My fault, I fear.
I think you're right, he's probably a semi-closeted Trumper. That would also explain the rage from the Clinton fanboys over this seemingly harmless sentiment.
I think you're right, he's probably a semi-closeted Trumper. That would also explain the rage from the Clinton fanboys over this seemingly harmless sentiment.
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXI: Do you love farce? My fault, I fear.
Many have tried and failed to get me to cast a guilt vote. I'm not fond of the technique, though it is probably the most popular motivator.
Many have tried and failed to get me to cast a guilt vote. I'm not fond of the technique, though it is probably the most popular motivator.
Wisko McBadgerton
Teaching you how to Bucky.
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXI: Do you love farce? My fault, I fear.
I have been volunteering at a psychiatric ward who's residents are people with various degrees of disconnection with reality. Every day for the last four months I have been taking them two things: First, I gently present them all with a beautifully wrapped, delicious candy from Mr. Trump. And then, after they've finished that, from Mrs. Clinton they receive a jagged-edged black rock which I generally chuck forcefully at their heads.
Completely unrelated to the above, I too believe everyone should vote, so I undertook to see that each person there was registered and applied for mail in ballots. Where necessary I helped them identify who was who on the ballot, and saw that they were all mailed properly, but I otherwise wouldn't dream of influencing their freedom of choice in any way whatsoever. It is their right after all.
(As an aside, I do have to admit that perhaps some of what folks have suggested here about R's may have more merit than I gave credit, because as it turned out, all those crazy folks voted for Trump.)
I have been volunteering at a psychiatric ward who's residents are people with various degrees of disconnection with reality. Every day for the last four months I have been taking them two things: First, I gently present them all with a beautifully wrapped, delicious candy from Mr. Trump. And then, after they've finished that, from Mrs. Clinton they receive a jagged-edged black rock which I generally chuck forcefully at their heads.
Completely unrelated to the above, I too believe everyone should vote, so I undertook to see that each person there was registered and applied for mail in ballots. Where necessary I helped them identify who was who on the ballot, and saw that they were all mailed properly, but I otherwise wouldn't dream of influencing their freedom of choice in any way whatsoever. It is their right after all.
(As an aside, I do have to admit that perhaps some of what folks have suggested here about R's may have more merit than I gave credit, because as it turned out, all those crazy folks voted for Trump.)
ScoobyDoo
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Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXI: Do you love farce? My fault, I fear.
That's not a guilt vote. That's understanding ones own place in history.
That's not a guilt vote. That's understanding ones own place in history.
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXI: Do you love farce? My fault, I fear.
I'm talking about the grandmother who says "I spent a lot of effort obtaining this for you, therefore you better use it!" whether it be an ugly tie or right to vote, it's BS. For me it's been friends that volunteer for candidates who "put in a lot of effort on this campaign, don't sit home election day and waste all our work!" If I stay home it's not to disrespect YOUR work, fool. Nobody has the right to force me to vote for someone.
I'm talking about the grandmother who says "I spent a lot of effort obtaining this for you, therefore you better use it!" whether it be an ugly tie or right to vote, it's BS. For me it's been friends that volunteer for candidates who "put in a lot of effort on this campaign, don't sit home election day and waste all our work!" If I stay home it's not to disrespect YOUR work, fool. Nobody has the right to force me to vote for someone.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXI: Do you love farce? My fault, I fear.
Then you do not understand history. Which is your right as a human being, but nothing else.
Then you do not understand history. Which is your right as a human being, but nothing else.
The Sicatoka
Kicizapi Cetan
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXI: Do you love farce? My fault, I fear.
DISCLAIMER: The following is in jest, but in the spirit of Mike Rowe's commentary.
I think we should all be forced to vote, but included in the vote is a ten-question test about US history and law*. Your vote is then weighted by your percentage test score.
I (obviously
) ace the test (100%) so my vote is worth 1 x 100 = 100. Handy misses who the 44th President was so he scores a 90% and his vote is worth 90. And so on.
Clearly Kep's favorite demographic, the uneducated, southern, conservative, hick-rubes, would be further marginalized. Let's go for it.
*There'd be a pool of 30 questions, 10 of which are randomly applied to a ballot.
DISCLAIMER: The following is in jest, but in the spirit of Mike Rowe's commentary.
I think we should all be forced to vote, but included in the vote is a ten-question test about US history and law*. Your vote is then weighted by your percentage test score.
I (obviously
) ace the test (100%) so my vote is worth 1 x 100 = 100. Handy misses who the 44th President was so he scores a 90% and his vote is worth 90. And so on. Clearly Kep's favorite demographic, the uneducated, southern, conservative, hick-rubes, would be further marginalized. Let's go for it.
*There'd be a pool of 30 questions, 10 of which are randomly applied to a ballot.
The Sicatoka
Kicizapi Cetan
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXI: Do you love farce? My fault, I fear.
What's the word I'm looking for for this ... oh, yeah ... Presidential. Definitely Presidential.
What's the word I'm looking for for this ... oh, yeah ... Presidential. Definitely Presidential.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXI: Do you love farce? My fault, I fear.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/12/u...mp-voters.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0
Also saw a poll this morning that says that Donald Trump is more popular than Paul Ryan. This is your GOP folks.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/12/donald-trump-more-popular-paul-ryan-poll/
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/12/u...mp-voters.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0
Also saw a poll this morning that says that Donald Trump is more popular than Paul Ryan. This is your GOP folks.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/12/donald-trump-more-popular-paul-ryan-poll/
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXI: Do you love farce? My fault, I fear.
Please make the historically-enlightened argument why anyone has the right to force my vote for one or any candidate. I'm all ears.
Think about this: if your sister-in-law works at McDonalds (she's an NMU grad), are you no longer "allowed" to eat lunch at BK? Bring a lunch from home? Do you think it would be mildly annoying if she tells you you HAVE TO go to McD's to support her position? BS.
Please make the historically-enlightened argument why anyone has the right to force my vote for one or any candidate. I'm all ears.
Think about this: if your sister-in-law works at McDonalds (she's an NMU grad), are you no longer "allowed" to eat lunch at BK? Bring a lunch from home? Do you think it would be mildly annoying if she tells you you HAVE TO go to McD's to support her position? BS.
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ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXI: Do you love farce? My fault, I fear.
Sure, as soon as you explain to me how you were forced. I see no force being applied in any of the scenarios you've commented on.
Please make the historically-enlightened argument why anyone has the right to force my vote for one or any candidate. I'm all ears.
Sure, as soon as you explain to me how you were forced. I see no force being applied in any of the scenarios you've commented on.
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