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Campaign 2016 Part XVIII: I'm OK, You're Deplorable

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Some thoughts on this issue: Allegedly Trump has bought the Florida Attorney General for a $25,000 campaign contribution. Now granted that Trump wrote the check from his foundation rather than personally because he's either a) actually broke (despite the most extremely conservative estimates placing his value at least at $3 billion )

The problem is his net worth is almost all illiquid assets. If we want to say he's worth $3B, that's fine since we don't actually know, but you can't bribe somebody to get off the hook on your scam school with some golf course in Scotland or the licensing rights to your own name, which is where most of his worth comes from.

It also can't be pointed out enough that if he actually is worth $3B, that's horrible, horrible return on the pile of money that Daddy left him.
 
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It's pretty funny that the GOP is going all in on this when their own post mortem after Romney lost said that they can't do this anymore. I'll disagree with you. They'll continue to run this gambit if they lose. Trump winning the nomination has convinced most of the party that they ran the wrong candidate again (if he loses). Not that they ran the wrong rhetoric.

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Meanwhile here's our liberal news media. I guess in the tank for Trump is liberal slant right?

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2016/09/18/cnn-jake-tapper-edits-clintons-bombings-remark/

I am not talking about the gambit I am talking about Priebus and the Drumpfers. They are trying to strongarm the Establishment but if they lose The Bushes and Co. will oust them.
 
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I am not talking about the gambit I am talking about Priebus and the Drumpfers. They are trying to strongarm the Establishment but if they lose The Bushes and Co. will oust them.

I see what you're saying but I respectfully disagree. This has been coming to roost for a long long time and it's not going away. No group or set of people has ever been this delusional about their politics. This is now the Tea Party on steroids and I honestly think Trump's campaign is cauterizing it.

Did you hear as I did that Hillary is spending a lot of time in debate prep? I hope someone told her that no matter what happens at the debate the Celebrity Apprentice will win. Her Bar is so high and his is so low that she has absolutely no shot. It might actually be better for her if the debates never happened.
 
Did you hear as I did that Hillary is spending a lot of time in debate prep? I hope someone told her that no matter what happens at the debate the Celebrity Apprentice will win. Her Bar is so high and his is so low that she has absolutely no shot. It might actually be better for her if the debates never happened.

Her team needs to hire a couple comedians, hopefully someone who can sort of imitate Donald. They need the childish banter across from her, someone who can be loud and boisterous, and someone quick on their feet. Someone like Louis CK? Patton Oswald? Jeffery Ross? Louis Black?

She needs someone who can needle her, hit her like a roast, so she can just ignore Trump in the debates.
 
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Setting aside the whole president can't repeal a supreme court decision thingy for the moment, I'd have to say that Trump has been a consistently critical of the results of the Citizens United decision. It is probably the single thing he has actually been given a bit of credit for from the left.

Some thoughts on this issue: Allegedly Trump has bought the Florida Attorney General for a $25,000 campaign contribution. Now granted that Trump wrote the check from his foundation rather than personally because he's either a) actually broke (despite the most extremely conservative estimates placing his value at least at $3 billion ) or b) because when Trump sits down at his kitchen table with all his checkbooks every month (like us) and writes out thousands of checks for his various companies, he decided to see if he couldn't slip a fast one by regulators on this one. Because he's cheap.

Fair enough. No argument from me. But rather I'll focus on the fact that the going rate for an Attorney general in Florida, a state with the 16th largest GDP in the world were it a country, is apparently a 25 thousand dollar campaign gift because Trump got what he wanted. This fact of a donor/favor granting relationship seems almost universally accepted on the left.

In a contrasting situation, The Clintons have have personally received (i.e. not a campaign gift, but cash, personally) more than $2.2 million just from Goldman-Sachs alone. Goldman-Sachs has also through direct donation and further facilitation, accounted for millions more in gifts to the Clinton foundation... And millions more in Clinton campaign contributions... And granted complete access to and use of Goldman facilities and their vast connections... And set up the Clinton's son-in-law in business managing a 330 million dollar hedge fund that Goldman helped finance and solicited investors for... And this is just Goldman. Tens of millions have been foisted upon the Clintons by similar institutions, ($50 million just from banks) not to mention all the other corporate interests and lobbyists that have followed suit.

The reason for this is either a) While we know the Clintons can't be bought or influenced by all these millions, the financial institutions keep throwing more and more at them hoping to finally reach their price. Ha! Stupid banks! Or b) In the almost unimaginable case that the good people could be influenced like the Florida Attorney General, (but only at 100,000x the price) in return for this literal mountain of cash and benefits rained down on the Clintons, what Goldman and the others want is for Mrs. Clinton to heavily tax and regulate them, and more importantly as is suggested, cut off all of their regular means of access to political power in the future. Perhaps this is a good place to mention again that I am currently in Florida and can probably get you a fantastic deal on some really high quality "water view" property.

You understand the difference between Drumpf giving money to an AG to throwout a lawsuit (where he ripped off hundreds if not thousands of people with his fake college) and a campaign contribution is right? Does it hurt bending yourself into a pretzel like that? You must do lots of yoga ;)

Clinton is beholden to Wall Street we all know that...Drumpfs trying to avoid being sued into another bankruptcy because he is a snake oil salesman. One is a sell out, the other is a fraud. No amount of moral equivalence makes that equal.
 
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I see what you're saying but I respectfully disagree. This has been coming to roost for a long long time and it's not going away. No group or set of people has ever been this delusional about their politics. This is now the Tea Party on steroids and I honestly think Trump's campaign is cauterizing it.

Did you hear as I did that Hillary is spending a lot of time in debate prep? I hope someone told her that no matter what happens at the debate the Celebrity Apprentice will win. Her Bar is so high and his is so low that she has absolutely no shot. It might actually be better for her if the debates never happened.

Then the old guard and their money will leave the party. Most of their staff and friends arent voting for Drumpf at this point anyways. Cruz, Kasich and The Bushes hate Priebus and the Tea Party Caucus. That means if Drumpf loses in 4 years it is Little Marco and his Windows 8.1 styling. They would be better served running Watson the Super Computer :D

Her debate prep will be fine. Her job is to stay cool and let Drumpf be Drumpf. He will end up debating himself if she plays it right...
 
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Her team needs to hire a couple comedians, hopefully someone who can sort of imitate Donald.

You don't need comedians for that. You need to hire an expert in Trump's techniques and tactics.

Let me put you in touch with the current king of that. Pretty sure he's at third grade recess right about now.
 
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Her debate prep will be fine. Her job is to stay cool and let Drumpf be Drumpf. He will end up debating himself if she plays it right...

Yup. Play your game and not his, and hope its good enough. Just be ready to have your own people push the post debate spin and not leave it up to the media to decide who won.

If a majority of the country wants to embrace racism and stupidity, there's nothing Hillary, Obama, JFK or FDR would be able to do about that. Stick with the plan and trust your likeminded supporters won't sit at home when you do your outreach to them.
 
You don't need comedians for that. You need to hire an expert in Trump's techniques and tactics.

Let me put you in touch with the current king of that. Pretty sure he's at third grade recess right about now.

This kid?

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Re: Campaign 2016 Part XVIII: I'm OK, You're Deplorable

You understand the difference between Drumpf giving money to an AG to throwout a lawsuit (where he ripped off hundreds if not thousands of people with his fake college) and a campaign contribution is right? Does it hurt bending yourself into a pretzel like that? You must do lots of yoga ;)

Clinton is beholden to Wall Street we all know that...Drumpfs trying to avoid being sued into another bankruptcy because he is a snake oil salesman. One is a sell out, the other is a fraud. No amount of moral equivalence makes that equal.
I hesitate to ask this and inject myself into this argument, but aren't they all just various forms of bribery?

Trump pays the Florida AG so his lawsuit goes away. Goldman pays Hillary so when unfavorable legislation comes forward, she'll do what she can to stop it. Countries pay FIFA so they can host a soccer game.

You describe one as a "fraud" and another as a "sell out", but aren't they all just engaged in the time honored practice of influence peddling? Is one better or worse than the other? Furthermore, can you really claim that Trump's bribe is more harmful than politicians accepting bribes from Wall Street? Neither one are acceptable, but they occur everyday.
 
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XVIII: I'm OK, You're Deplorable

I hesitate to ask this and inject myself into this argument, but aren't they all just various forms of bribery?

Trump pays the Florida AG so his lawsuit goes away. Goldman pays Hillary so when unfavorable legislation comes forward, she'll do what she can to stop it. Countries pay FIFA so they can host a soccer game.

You describe one as a "fraud" and another as a "sell out", but aren't they all just engaged in the time honored practice of influence peddling? Is one better or worse than the other? Furthermore, can you really claim that Trump's bribe is more harmful than politicians accepting bribes from Wall Street? Neither one are acceptable, but they occur everyday.

A Senator doesn't have the power to prosecute or pursue a lawsuit as a govt agent. An AG does. That seems to me do be the "money" shot if you'll pardon the expression.
 
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A Senator doesn't have the power to prosecute or pursue a lawsuit as a govt agent. An AG does. That seems to me do be the "money" shot if you'll pardon the expression.
You're being too specific. What it always comes down to is does the person that I'm going to give money to have the power or ability to help me in some way? If so, then I'm going to give them the money.

This where I think we've gone wrong in this country.

At first blush, I think most people agree with Handy. Bribing an AG to drop a lawsuit sounds so much more horrible than Goldman giving HRC a bunch of money as a "contribution" or whatever you want to call it. But is it really? It's a single lawsuit. The AG may or may not have even won the lawsuit had it proceeded, since there are no certainties in litigation.

But what has been the effect of powerful banking and financial influence on politicians? Our problem has been that we, as the public, react the same way as Handy. Our response is just that the politician has just "sold out" or something morally reproachable like that, and not that they are literally accepting bribes. In fact, we even pass laws regulating the passing of these bribes in terms of limits, etc...

Personally I think campaign contributions ought to be outright banned. If an individual or corporation wants to spend their money campaigning for a politician, that's their right. But if you write a check to a politician or their family members or their business/foundation, we're going to be looking at you.
 
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Priebus better hope Drumpf wins because if he doesnt his days are numbered. Kasich has already said he wont be bullied, and we know Jeb and Cruz will cut him off at the knees if this doesnt work. I mean at least the Dems did this behind closed doors Priebus is acting like Himmler out there...

I'm not sure Priebus wants to continue in the job. It has to be pretty bad for the soul to be the Roger Goddell for this party. I'm sure he could swing the revolving door into an obscenely lucrative K Street gig where he wouldn't have to be Baghdad Bob whenever the cameras are rolling.
 
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