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Campaign 2016 Part XVIII: I'm OK, You're Deplorable

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Re: Campaign 2016 Part XVIII: I'm OK, You're Deplorable

Thankfully no one is dead and the injuries appear to be non life threatening in New York, but a terrorist attack there might be the final nail in Hillary's coffin.
 
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XVIII: I'm OK, You're Deplorable

Thankfully no one is dead and the injuries appear to be non life threatening in New York, but a terrorist attack there might be the final nail in Hillary's coffin.

How the hell do you tie that to Hill?
 
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How the hell do you tie that to Hill?

You're kidding, right Brent? She helped found ISIS, she's obviously an America-hating terrorist.

What I mean is the mass of Americans who revel in living in fear will need their strong man, or strongman, to come to the rescue and protect them. Hillary is weak. Trump is strong.
 
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My guess also is by tomorrow, Silver's Nowcast will show a race that is within the margin of error, if it were a single poll.
 
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You're kidding, right Brent? She helped found ISIS, she's obviously an America-hating terrorist.

What I mean is the mass of Americans who revel in living in fear will need their strong man, or strongman, to come to the rescue and protect them. Hillary is weak. Trump is strong.

You have to be trolling. Have to be. I'm pretty anti-Hill, and even *I* think you are talking out of your arse right now.
 
My guess also is by tomorrow, Silver's Nowcast will show a race that is within the margin of error, if it were a single poll.

For the moment, all three projections are back with Hillary at 60+%. Hopefully that lasts.

Thankfully, whatever Trump gains from bad news he loses by starting to go off on Twitter like a child again.

http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/donald-trump-is-mad-online-1786757377
 
How the hell do you tie that to Hill?

It's easy Brent. It happened in Chelsea. Chelsea is the daughter of Bill and Hill. Therefore,it MUST be Hillary's fault!

As a side note, if there's a bomb explosion, why don't the networks get Bill Ayers to comment. The guy's an expert on IEDs. :)
 
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You have to be trolling. Have to be. I'm pretty anti-Hill, and even *I* think you are talking out of your arse right now.

Lot of pent up anger. I'm trying to get it out on the Notre Dame board, but somehow I just get even angrier over there! :D
 
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If a normal citizen says this he gets a visit from the FBI.

When are people going to realize that this is different? This is not anything the US has ever had to deal with. Stop playing with matches.
 
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If a normal citizen says this he gets a visit from the FBI.

When are people going to realize that this is different? This is not anything the US has ever had to deal with. Stop playing with matches.

I am sure he is "joking" or is "sarcastic" again. This comment will hurt him though the last one did too until he walked it back. Add in that a lot of the media didnt like his blaming the birther stuff on Hillary and he may change the news cycle again for a few days like Sicatoka said he would.

The guy cannot stand if he isnt being talked about by everyone 24/7 even if it benefits him.
 
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You have to be trolling. Have to be. I'm pretty anti-Hill, and even *I* think you are talking out of your arse right now.

No, that's correct. Hillary is done now. Domestic Terrorist attack moves everyone to Trump. And now he wants Hillary to have no protection and that's ok too.
 
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No, that's correct. Hillary is done now. Domestic Terrorist attack moves everyone to Trump. And now he wants Hillary to have no protection and that's ok too.
Hilary isn't done, but Trump is going to try to tie her to the attack by saying she will continue Obamas policies and he isn't tough enough etc etc.

The gun thing has been said by many for years, the powers to be want to take my guns but they are protected by body guards with guns. Lets see what happens when they aren't protected by guns. Its hardly a new revelation.
 
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This election year reminds me of Kerry's run. You had a war hero running against a war dodger and the war dodger ran (swift boat) and won on turning the war hero into a traitor. Here we have a serial liar running against a lifelong politician and public servant. The serial liar is turning the lifelong politician and public servant into the worst of the liars. Kellyanne Conway on Bill Maher was asked about 10 Whoppers her candidate has said this campaign season. When the interview was done she said she couldn't vote for Hillary because she's a liar. What? Yeah, and it sounded credible. This is swift boat all over again. Also, people hate Clinton even more than they hated Kerry.

It mirrors pretty well. This election is done.
 
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XVIII: I'm OK, You're Deplorable

This election year reminds me of Kerry's run. You had a war hero running against a war dodger and the war dodger ran (swift boat) and won on turning the war hero into a traitor. Here we have a serial liar running against a lifelong politician and public servant. The serial liar is turning the lifelong politician and public servant into the worst of the liars. Kellyanne Conway on Bill Maher was asked about 10 Whoppers her candidate has said this campaign season. When the interview was done she said she couldn't vote for Hillary because she's a liar. What? Yeah, and it sounded credible. This is swift boat all over again. Also, people hate Clinton even more than they hated Kerry.

It mirrors pretty well. This election is done.

But...but...but... there simply aren't enough old white men out there for Trump to win. And the Clinton machine will roll over anybody or anything that gets in the way. In this type of an election, Hillary was by far the best candidate to run against Trump. And besides Trump has no ground game, which as we all know plays literally zero part in the primaries so that doesn't signal at all that this election may be different in many ways than any other in the media age.
 
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But...but...but... there simply aren't enough old white men out there for Trump to win. And the Clinton machine will roll over anybody or anything that gets in the way. In this type of an election, Hillary was by far the best candidate to run against Trump. And besides Trump has no ground game, which as we all know plays literally zero part in the primaries so that doesn't signal at all that this election may be different in many ways than any other in the media age.

You understand that Scooby hasnt been right about anything right? Him agreeing with you is not a sign you are on the side of right ;)

And of course the Kerry comparison still doesnt work because the real fault with Kerry was he never fought back when he was getting swiftboated. He should have been giving a press conference that day and he should have been talking old GOP talking points of how it is wrong to have a CIC who never served. He never did that because he was too afraid of offending anyone. Same problem with Gore when he was ripped over comments he made...they trusted the people would see the truth and go towards forgetting that most people dont take the 12 seconds it takes to fact check. People need to be taken to the truth. Hillary has no problem attacking Drumpf about his lies so the comparison is stupid and total tinfoil hat time..
 
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Dan Rather said:
Donald Drumpf’s disdain, mockery, and antagonism of the press, whose freedoms are enshrined in the Bill of Rights and whose presence has provided ballast to our democracy since its inception, raises very serious questions about his fitness for the presidency of the United States.
For a long while, these thoughts have been coursing through my veins with concern and disbelief, and yet my abiding loyalty to the notion of fair, accurate and unbiased journalism held me in check from saying it out loud – much as I suspect it has muzzled the true feelings of many of my colleagues. But we must remember that Donald Drumpf knows this and cynically plays the press corps’ deep desire for fairness to his undeserved benefit. The latest, barring the traveling press from covering an event and using them as ridicule in a speech, are but the most recent chapters in a novel full of outrageous acts. And this sentiment apparently extends to members of his own family as witnessed by his daughter Ivanka’s actions in an interview with Cosmo.
I am well aware that I will be met with bile and venom for saying this, called a communist, a liberal in bed with Hillary Clinton, a washed-up joke. To quote Rhett Butler in Gone With the Wind, “frankly, my dear, I don’t give a ****.” Let others attack my motives. My conscience is clean. This is not about partisan politics, about who is right on immigration or gun control. This is about the very machinery that has allowed our American experiment to persist and thrive, a machinery which is far more fragile than we would like to believe.
Drumpf’s relationship with the press is at the heart of so much that is troubling about his candidacy - the secrecy, the lack of transparency on something as normal as tax returns, the flaunting of the very rules by which we elect our leaders, the appeasement of hate groups. And his embrace of Roger Ailes and Breitbart, institutions who have polluted press freedoms, is a further dangerous sign of decay.
And yet when presented with this challenge, too much of the press has been cowed into inaction. This is a man who can be fact-checked into obscurity by any second grader with an Internet connection. And yet when he issues a mealy-mouth non-apology about President Obama’s obvious pedigree as an American, here we are with too many in the press not acknowledging his years of lies (check your Twitter feeds about how the New York Times initially covered this event). All of this of course sets the stage for Drumpf to lie again about somehow birtherism being Clinton’s fault.
I fear that this mindset will infect the debates. Drumpf is already setting the stage for that. If you are moderating and are not going to fact check him, you might as well just roll campaign speeches live - far too many of which have been shown on television without being subjected to journalistic context. If these debates will be debates in name only, another opportunity for Drumpf to flout fairness by spewing his venom and bullshine, I say cancel them.
Enough is enough. It is a reality that every reporter must come to grips with. Drumpf is not a normal candidate. This is not a normal election. He will set a precedent that other demagogues will study and follow. Fear, combined with the lure of ratings, views, clicks and profits, have hypnotized too much of the press into inaction and false equivalency for far too long. I am optimistic the trance is being broken. Fear not the Internet trolls. Fear instead the judgement of history.

I dont say this often but Dan Rather flipping nailed it!

London Mayor Also Gets It!
 
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XVIII: I'm OK, You're Deplorable

You understand that Scooby hasnt been right about anything right? Him agreeing with you is not a sign you are on the side of right ;)

And of course the Kerry comparison still doesnt work because the real fault with Kerry was he never fought back when he was getting swiftboated. He should have been giving a press conference that day and he should have been talking old GOP talking points of how it is wrong to have a CIC who never served. He never did that because he was too afraid of offending anyone. Same problem with Gore when he was ripped over comments he made...they trusted the people would see the truth and go towards forgetting that most people dont take the 12 seconds it takes to fact check. People need to be taken to the truth. Hillary has no problem attacking Drumpf about his lies so the comparison is stupid and total tinfoil hat time..

Kerry responded as well as Clinton is responding. You watched Maher. He didn't land a glove. Chuck Todd is interviewing Kellyanne Conway right now and not landing a glove. This is Swift Boat all over again.
 
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Kellyanne Conway is destroying Chuck Todd right now. It's utter annihilation.
 
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I dont say this often but Dan Rather flipping nailed it!

I'm curious as to the kind of an effect would be seen if a prominent face of one of the network nightly news broadcasts made a similar statement. Edward R. Murrow is famous in part because of his eventual takedown of Joe McCarthy, who shares a personality trait or three with Trump. On their own I doubt any would be willing to chance a statement like Rather's. Perhaps a little back door collusion to do parallel broadcasts, each focusing on a separate disqualifying statement, while pointing out the overall threats that I'm guessing they see too. For that to happen, the networks need to fear what their world will look live 5 years from now after a Trump administration, as opposed to worrying about short-term profits and viewership.
 
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