Campaign 2016 Part XVIII: I'm OK, You're Deplorable

[Handyman]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XVIII: I'm OK, You're Deplorable

Name a politician who isn't. It's rare. I can name maybe 4.

Yeah she is dishonest like when you tell your girlfriend you cant go out to dinner cause you have to do extra work when in reality you want to sit at home and watch the game. His lies are when you steal all the money out of the bank account and pretend it was a bank error.

Both are lies, one is a bit more important than the other. I mean look at the "big lie" about her Foundation...yes she acted unethically, but ultimately the Foundation has always been shown to do great work around the world and she is quite involved in it. Now look at Drumpf's Foundation, the one he uses to raise money but never actually gives too yet takes all of the credit for.

And the fact that he is now passing the blame of "Birther-ism" on to the Hillary campaign and the media hasnt completely destroyed him for it (it isnt like there is video evidence or anything...it isnt like The Daily Show didnt show the footage all the time Obama's first term) shows that they are not in the tank for Hillary. That would usually be a bucket of blood in a sea of sharks...it would be leading the news for days, clickbaiting all over the place and top of the fold in the major newspapers...yet is anyone even talking about it? No it is being ignored. Hell the head of the IRS just said Drumpf is lying and can release his tax returns (something Kellyanne wanted when she worked with Kasich now thinks is irrelevant) despite the so called audit and yet where is the media pressure to do so? the media will spend three days talking about one line in a flipping email or unprovable comment from Wikileaks but actual news, things the public should be hearing about they dont even pay attention to. Today's media is not just lazy, they actually care less than the public about what is going on...so they just run with whatever they think works and apparently Hillary the Liar works.

Hillary is a liar, her lies are self serving and political and I have never really trusted her because of it but overall not that different from most people in politics or who have been president. She is smart and experienced and much more in line with the person you want in charge despite her various flaws. Drumpf's lies are pathological, he is a 14 year old trying to explain how he gets laid all the time by the hottest girls in school or the grifter taking down a mark. The guy has failed at ****ed near every thing he has done (multiple bankruptcies are a great quality in a leader of the economy) and is under investigation for ripping people off with his BS school. Even leaving out the history of racism, the sexism and the making fun of handicapped people the guy belongs nowhere near a political election let alone The White House.

 

[Slap Shot]

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Trump and his campaign have been shown by independent analysts as being the most dishonest leading up to the election and the numbers aren't even close. He keeps getting a free pass though for whatever reason.

 

[Kepler]

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Yeah she is dishonest like when you tell your girlfriend you cant go out to dinner cause you have to do extra work when in reality you want to sit at home and watch the game. His lies are when you steal all the money out of the bank account and pretend it was a bank error.

Exactly.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XVIII: I'm OK, You're Deplorable

I know, but Hillary does go beyond the typical nonsense, doesn't she?

No.

 

[WeAreNDHockey]

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Trump and his campaign have been shown by independent analysts as being the most dishonest leading up to the election and the numbers aren't even close. He keeps getting a free pass though for whatever reason.

Political theater is the reason. The media may be as collectively evil as Trump. If they covered Trump the same way they cover Clinton and did the kind of journalism that used to happen before media empires realized how much money they could make doing things as they do them now, the electoral map would probably still look the way it looked in polls 6 weeks ago. But they want the eyeballs glued to them, so instead of reporting what is really happening and digging deep into the why, instead of showing the true ugliness of (fill in your preferred number) % of Trump's supporters, they are creating and manipulating and directing this show every bit as much as they do to so-called reality TV. In fact that's what this whole election is, a reality TV show. I originally thought Trump's run was just that, a reality TV vehicle for him to keep his name and his brand active for another year or so. If Trump wins the large media conglomerates will be as responsible as the large swath of deplorable people voting for Trump. They're playing a game of chicken right now. By allowing Trump to run a campaign that is as untethered to truth and substance as any in the electronic age, they have ensured at the very least a chaotic term for Clinton, even if she prevails on November 8th. She will have a congress to deal with that will be at least as bent on bringing her down as either her husband or Obama, and that will create more political theater. Trump will continue to dominate the news cycle if she wins by a single state, which may be all she can hope for as things stand now and again, how many people will tune into each grandstanding news conference as he pushes his "case" of a stolen election at every opportunity.

I don't have enough middle fingers to extend to those who deserve them, but I do know where the two I have right now are pointed. At Clinton for running a campaign worse than Gore or Kerry who ran against the --until now -- least qualified candidate the nation has ever endured and for somehow looking even weaker than either of them, and the media for utterly failing to find a shred of moral or ethical decency in the face of what might be a defining moment for our democracy.

 

[Kepler]

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I think the media may have heard you. It looks like the free ride is over:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...y-theorist-dont-let-him-lie-his-way-out-of-it

https://newrepublic.com/article/136848/its-not-late-media-fix-election-coverage

https://twitter.com/greenfield64/status/777097659542822912

 

[Rover]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XVIII: I'm OK, You're Deplorable

I don't have enough middle fingers to extend to those who deserve them, but I do know where the two I have right now are pointed. At Clinton for running a campaign worse than Gore or Kerry who ran against the --until now -- least qualified candidate the nation has ever endured and for somehow looking even weaker than either of them, and the media for utterly failing to find a shred of moral or ethical decency in the face of what might be a defining moment for our democracy.

Time to get your head out of your rear end. For all the bleating about "Trump winning" he's nowhere close. He's still down in national polls and in the electoral college and his gains are all because older white males are being disproportionately captured in likely voter screens as one of the better pollsters even admitted.

Trump won't change. He's running a fact free campaign with total disdain for everybody but the core dead enders or deplorables if you'd like who are 100% behind him. For that reason he's fuked. Things are only going to get worse for him as even the lamestream media is sick of his latest stunt. Furthermore, he STILL has no ground game with early voting 3 weeks away.

So relax and have some faith in your fellow citizens. Trump was going nowhere 6 weeks ago and he's going nowhere now.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XVIII: I'm OK, You're Deplorable

Time to get your head out of your rear end. For all the bleating about "Trump winning" he's nowhere close.

Rover, you are mathematically wrong. He's very close: he currently leads in polling in ALL the following states that Obama won twice:

Ohio
Florida
Iowa

If something goes wrong in PA that's enough.


If your strategy is to bluff it out with the "inevitability" narrative, that hasn't worked. If you're actually serious about thinking you can "unskew the polls," you're as delusional as the GOP was last time.

It's time to wake up: Cinnamon Hitler is within one bad Hillary debate or one more ridiculous GOP fishing expedition of The Lead. You can't just close your eyes. A new approach is needed. Stop using all your dismissive bullsh-t language and wake the f-ck up. It's going to be a tight, dirty, ferocious fight to save the Court and the executive from the worst threat to democratic values in our history. It's a godd-mn emergency.

 

[WeAreNDHockey]

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I think the media may have heard you. It looks like the free ride is over:

I had on NPR in the car while stuck in Cleveland traffic the other day (how can a city 1/7th as big as Chicago have traffic that rivals it?) and I have to admit I sensed a slight shift in tone of their reporting during an account of a Trump rally.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XVIII: I'm OK, You're Deplorable

I had on NPR in the car while stuck in Cleveland traffic the other day (how can a city 1/7th as big as Chicago have traffic that rivals it?) and I have to admit I sensed a slight shift in tone of their reporting during an account of a Trump rally.

I hope so. This is a crisis. The party system wasn't designed to prevent a full-on fascist takeover: it's predicated on a balance between two legitimate albeit different philosophies. That lets the "black box" effect of people backing their party without any reference to or perhaps even knowledge of its content provide balance. But now we've got an actual conman, draped in Mussolini-Putin garb, in nomination, and that automatic "my team needs to win" mentality is a huge force multiplier for the anti-democratic candidate.

What percentage of Americans would honestly throw away republican values of limited government just to win? Maybe a third of either side. But slapping the (R) label on Trump has tripled his chances. For most people the election is a tribal contest between their side and the other side and what matters is their side winning. The Founders didn't even envision parties as anything other than a cancer on the system. They did not design safeguards to stop this from happening. We're on own as citizens, and liberals can do nothing (well, nothing beyond what we do in any given election: turn out and don't fall for the appeal of the utopia of third parties). It is conservatives who have to take one for the team this time -- just as virtually every right-leaning person on the Cafe has given our polling. But so far at least, not enough righties out in the wild either accept the premise or are willing to act on it.

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: a waste of desert sand;
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Wind shadows of the indignant desert birds.

The darkness drops again but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

This is not a dress rehearsal.

 

[WeAreNDHockey]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XVIII: I'm OK, You're Deplorable

Time to get your head out of your rear end. For all the bleating about "Trump winning" he's nowhere close. He's still down in national polls and in the electoral college and his gains are all because older white males are being disproportionately captured in likely voter screens as one of the better pollsters even admitted.

Trump won't change. He's running a fact free campaign with total disdain for everybody but the core dead enders or deplorables if you'd like who are 100% behind him. For that reason he's fuked. Things are only going to get worse for him as even the lamestream media is sick of his latest stunt. Furthermore, he STILL has no ground game with early voting 3 weeks away.

So relax and have some faith in your fellow citizens. Trump was going nowhere 6 weeks ago and he's going nowhere now.

Trump "nowhere close"? What math are you looking at? The 6 general election polls on RCP from Thursday have a tie, Trump up in 3 and Clinton up in 2. The two she is up in are both within the margin of error. 538.com continues to show a pronounced narrowing of the polls in a number of swing states. Safe leads in Michigan and VA are almost gone. Some polls show all four of Nevada, Ohio, Florida and North Carolina flipped to Trump. You and others keep throwing out the same tired argument about old white males. Well if all he had were old white males when polls showed Clinton with a safe lead, explain how those same polls now show the race tied or Trump ahead? Did all of the pollster suddenly find some untapped reservoir of old white males they forgot to ask in July? T

The problem with having faith in my fellow citizens is that twice enough of them voted for George W. Bush. Another problem with having faith in my fellow citizens it that for years now they have been putting the same do nothing or worse people back into congress and state houses. The problem with having faith in my fellow citizens is that 10s of millions of them are going to be bigoted enough, dumb enough or naive enough to vote for Trump. Win or lose, Clinton has squandered an opportunity to move this country, at least a little bit, onto a path for some sort of political reconciliation. A decisive win with the retaking of the Senate and a significant narrowing of the gap in the House MAY have signaled a real need for both major political parties that a new path should be charted. I wasn't expecting miracles, but I was at least hopeful for a little progress.

And I'm still waiting for that vaunted, take-no-prisoners Clinton political monster of a machine I keep seeing posted about here.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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Name a politician who isn't. It's rare. I can name maybe 4.

Jimmy Carter, for one - and he was the 2nd worst POTUS of the last 40 years.

The famous "malaise speech" was largely accurate, but coming from a guy who would try to pray his way out of a wet paper bag instead of leading the way out, it came off as though Carter was blaming the public for his own failures.

 

[Rover]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XVIII: I'm OK, You're Deplorable

Rover, you are mathematically wrong. He's very close: he currently leads in polling in ALL the following states that Obama won twice:

Ohio
Florida
Iowa

If something goes wrong in PA that's enough.


If your strategy is to bluff it out with the "inevitability" narrative, that hasn't worked. If you're actually serious about thinking you can "unskew the polls," you're as delusional as the GOP was last time.

It's time to wake up: Cinnamon Hitler is within one bad Hillary debate or one more ridiculous GOP fishing expedition of The Lead. You can't just close your eyes. A new approach is needed. Stop using all your dismissive bullsh-t language and wake the f-ck up. It's going to be a tight, dirty, ferocious fight to save the Court and the executive from the worst threat to democratic values in our history. It's a godd-mn emergency.

Kep, you're being a fuking idiot and playing the role the knuckledraggers want you to. The bed wetting nervous liberal who runs away at the first sign of trouble. A new approach is NOT needed you doofus. Sticking to the plan and not panicking is. ND may be too stupid to realize this, but switching from a registered voter to a likely voter model is what's giving Trump his so called rise which again, don't take my word for it but Ann Selzer's. She's not losing any of these places. Also your lame attempt to tag me with unskewering is ridiculous. As I've said repeatedly to penetrate the thick layers of your skull, if everybody stays home who's anti-Trump and older white males make unprecedented gains in their % of the total voting pool....Trump will be about break even. WHEN the younger and minority voters turn out, Trump will sink. The same thing happened 4 years ago and will happen 4 years hence. So, stop being a tool for the Republicans. Win the debates and turn out early voters and the election is over.

What a bunch of wusses some of you people are.

 

[WeAreNDHockey]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XVIII: I'm OK, You're Deplorable

Actually Rover, the middle finger I was extending to Clinton is pointing your direction now. Eff you. You sound as dumb and naive as I fear Trump voters are. In the end I hope you're right, but if you're wrong you deserve the hell we'll all be living is as much as any one of us.

 

[Rover]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XVIII: I'm OK, You're Deplorable

Actually Rover, the middle finger I was extending to Clinton is pointing your direction now. Eff you. You sound as dumb and naive as I fear Trump voters are. In the end I hope you're right, but if you're wrong you deserve the hell we'll all be living is as much as any one of us.

And when this election is over I'll be making fun of you as much as I make fun of the knuckledraggers, which is saying something. If you have no courage, you're useless to the movement as Kep's idiotic post just proved. Clinton should do a major reshuffle of her campaign? 8 weeks before the election which she's favored to win even sitting here today, let alone before the debates and early voting. Yeah...

 

[Wisko McBadgerton]

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There's this out there on Trump's allegations against the Clinton campaign re the birther deal:

former McClatchy Washington Bureau Chief James Asher tweeted Friday that Blumenthal had “told me in person” that Obama was born in Kenya



Now I don't know James Asher at all, but Injustice Watch hardly seems like a right wing surrogate? On the other hand this would hardly be the first time Clinton toady, Sid Blumenthal, would be accused of playing dirty tricks.

 

[Handyman]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XVIII: I'm OK, You're Deplorable

There's this out there on Trump's allegations against the Clinton campaign re the birther deal:

former McClatchy Washington Bureau Chief James Asher tweeted Friday that Blumenthal had “told me in person” that Obama was born in Kenya



Now I don't know James Asher at all, but Injustice Watch hardly seems like a right wing surrogate? On the other hand this would hardly be the first time Clinton toady, Sid Blumenthal, would be accused of playing dirty tricks.

From the article:

"In fact, there were several people publicly pushing the theory, which was repeated extensively on conservative news outlets. There were the two Clinton supporters, but there is no evidence that Clinton herself or her campaign spread the story.

Patti Solis Doyle, Clinton’s campaign manager during part of the 2008 race, told CNN on Friday that an Iowa campaign worker had passed on an email about the birther conspiracy and that Clinton quickly fired him.

Solis Doyle said she’d called Obama campaign official David Plouffe at the time “to apologize and basically say that this was not coming from us. It was a rogue volunteer coordinator."

If passing on an email is what Drumpf is talking about he is not only lying but he literally is too stupid to understand the meaning of words.

Sorry but there is no there there...

 

[Rover]

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From the article:

"In fact, there were several people publicly pushing the theory, which was repeated extensively on conservative news outlets. There were the two Clinton supporters, but there is no evidence that Clinton herself or her campaign spread the story.

Patti Solis Doyle, Clinton’s campaign manager during part of the 2008 race, told CNN on Friday that an Iowa campaign worker had passed on an email about the birther conspiracy and that Clinton quickly fired him.

Solis Doyle said she’d called Obama campaign official David Plouffe at the time “to apologize and basically say that this was not coming from us. It was a rogue volunteer coordinator."

If passing on an email is what Drumpf is talking about he is not only lying but he literally is too stupid to understand the meaning of words.

Sorry but there is no there there...

And you have to ask is this really a campaign that's winning if its pushing easily disproven BS like this? Wisco and joecct are big Trump supporters and older gentlemen as well I believe who tend to favor conspiracy theories and all that, but Trump himself is the one who's once again engaging in Birtherism even at this late stage. In this case trying to blame it on Hillary which is not only absurd, but it doesn't explain why Trump continued to push the theory even after Obama released his birth certificate. One has to wonder why for a man who seemingly everything is going right for?

 

[Wisko McBadgerton]

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From the article:

"In fact, there were several people publicly pushing the theory, which was repeated extensively on conservative news outlets. There were the two Clinton supporters, but there is no evidence that Clinton herself or her campaign spread the story.

Patti Solis Doyle, Clinton’s campaign manager during part of the 2008 race, told CNN on Friday that an Iowa campaign worker had passed on an email about the birther conspiracy and that Clinton quickly fired him.

Solis Doyle said she’d called Obama campaign official David Plouffe at the time “to apologize and basically say that this was not coming from us. It was a rogue volunteer coordinator."

If passing on an email is what Drumpf is talking about he is not only lying but he literally is too stupid to understand the meaning of words.

Sorry but there is no there there...

I think Trumpers are referencing a memo by Clinton campaign strategist Mark Penn which points to an Obama weakness as him not being "fundamentally American" which to me is quite a stretch as far as making Trump's point.

The part of the article you quote refers to the Iowa Campaign worker and the action taken by Doyle regarding that, but does not refer to Blumenthal's alleged approach to Asher. Now you can argue the semantics of whether Blumenthal was part of the campaign, but I think that's a mighty fine line to walk. Sid Blumenthal has been joined at the hip to the Clintons for 35 years.

Now that also does not really make the Trumpists point if they didn't know about Blumenthal in the first place. It does though speak a little to the idea that there isn't anything the Clintons and surrounding Clintonistas won't do to gain power. After all, the end justifies the means. Any means.

*In full disclosure I tend strongly toward Christopher Hitchens' side of the Hitchens / Blumenthal conflict.

 

[joecct]

And you have to ask is this really a campaign that's winning if its pushing easily disproven BS like this? Wisco and joecct are big Trump supporters and older gentlemen as well I believe who tend to favor conspiracy theories and all that, but Trump himself is the one who's once again engaging in Birtherism even at this late stage. In this case trying to blame it on Hillary which is not only absurd, but it doesn't explain why Trump continued to push the theory even after Obama released his birth certificate. One has to wonder why for a man who seemingly everything is going right for?

JFC Rover, how many times have I told you I am not voting for tD. However, you seem to get your underwear in an uproar every time I tweek the HRC campaign (which, you have to admit, is rather easy).

tD is a phenomena. Why he is in his position is an indictment of the current political class that (as others have pointed out here) has forgotten that they represent the people. Bernie was too, but he ran into a stacked deck.

This campaign will be studied for years. A lot of whys and hows need to be answered.