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Campaign 2016 Part XVII: If debates are great theater, I think this one closes early

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SJHovey said:
The thing that strikes me about HRC's comments on Trump's supporters is the contrast it creates between her and her husband. Bill Clinton would have never uttered such a statement, probably because he instinctively understands it's not true.
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This statement is not supported by the facts at all. Anyone who does not believe that some substantial portion of Trump supporters are not exactly how Clinton described them has their head in the sand or is ignorant. Polls, social media, mainstream media, and MY OWN EYES AFTER SEEING FAR TOO MANY TRUMP RALLIES UP CLOSE SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR have all revealed a startling amount of support for Trump is found in the most bigoted and racist corners of this country. Perhaps the Republican candidates in all of the recent elections enjoyed the same kind of support but since none of them made an astounding number of racist statements while running those folks kept to the shadows. Most people, when they find out about my basic views on any number of current political hot button issues, are surprised I do not identify as a Republican, so I know all Republican's are not ignorant or uneducated or bible thumpers. Maybe Hillary got the percentage wrong, but her statement about his supporters holds infinitely more water than virtually anything coming out of Trumps mouth.
 
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SJHovey said:
Bill Clinton would have never uttered such a statement, probably because he instinctively understands it's not true.
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It's not true? You can argue the exact percentage numbers all day long, and claim that she's wrong when she says it's 50%, but you cannot say that she's incorrect in her assessment of a sizeable proportion of Trump's support. That you would even claim that this isn't so demonstrates either how far you're removed from reality, or the lengths you will go in making excuses for that demographic,.
 
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A Facebook post by an Indie author.

I remember it well, the 1980s and we were going through Soviet Premiers like nobody's business. One day they'd be fine. Then they'd disappear from public. Then they'd be reported to have "dehydrallergymonia" then there'd be a new Premier and a state funeral. Bam, three in just a few years. It was predictable. It made us feel safe like order always does. Dehydrallergymonia was a code word for vodka/cigarette/cancer/renalfailure/poisoning. Yep, back then there was none of this messing around with hashtags and coughing videos and twitter speculation. We did things straight forward. When you got deyhdrallergymonia you were leaving office soon. Those were the days.
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Brenthoven said:
MNS (poster here) fainted due to coughing on a road trip. It is more common than thought (he wasn't sick, nor was he drunk). It was scary to see. He stood up while coughing, then his head hit the corner of a table as he was fainting, breaking his nose.

And yes, pneumonia does linger (also bronchitis). It's a beech to get rid of (have had both in my lifetime).
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Yep, I had bronchitis quite a few years ago, and was sitting here at the computer when I had a coughing spell. Next thing I know, i was picking myself up off the floor, no idea how I got there.
 
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MaizeRage said:
1. We're talking about the Iron Range that is predominantly white and relies on increasingly diminishing blue collar labor, correct?

2. If those assumptions are false, why is Donald Trump his party's candidate?
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Here's my opinion.

There is a lot of pride in that segment of the population. Pride in the difficulty of the jobs they perform. Pride in the fact that they may choose to figure out how to fix their own car, or put food on the table by fishing or hunting for it themselves. Pride in their families. Pride in the fact that even without a fancy education they, and their forefathers, have been able to carve out an existence.

I think they also feel it slipping away, and they don't feel like there is anyone they can trust to help them prevent that. They don't see government as a solution. They see government as a facilitator of the problem. Their neighbor writes a bad check and he gets convicted of a felony. Someone on Wall Street steals $20 million and they make a movie about them.

Donald Trump speaks to those feelings. Personally I think they're going to be disappointed in Trump's solutions, but they are certain Clinton doesn't hold the answers.

I've posted this theory before, but it bears restating. The Democratic Party is going to face this exact problem in the coming years. Everyone laughs at Trump when he asks African American voters, "can it get any worse?" But I guarantee you somewhere deep within the African American community that question will resonate. Trump isn't going to see the fruits of it, but that's not the last time that question will be asked, and they're going to realize the same thing rural white voters have realized. The two choices we're presented with every four years are not the answer.
 
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SJHovey said:
Here's my opinion.

There is a lot of pride in that segment of the population. Pride in the difficulty of the jobs they perform. Pride in the fact that they may choose to figure out how to fix their own car, or put food on the table by fishing or hunting for it themselves. Pride in their families. Pride in the fact that even without a fancy education they, and their forefathers, have been able to carve out an existence.

I think they also feel it slipping away, and they don't feel like there is anyone they can trust to help them prevent that. They don't see government as a solution. They see government as a facilitator of the problem. Their neighbor writes a bad check and he gets convicted of a felony. Someone on Wall Street steals $20 million and they make a movie about them.

Donald Trump speaks to those feelings. Personally I think they're going to be disappointed in Trump's solutions, but they are certain Clinton doesn't hold the answers.

I've posted this theory before, but it bears restating. The Democratic Party is going to face this exact problem in the coming years. Everyone laughs at Trump when he asks African American voters, "can it get any worse?" But I guarantee you somewhere deep within the African American community that question will resonate. Trump isn't going to see the fruits of it, but that's not the last time that question will be asked, and they're going to realize the same thing rural white voters have realized. The two choices we're presented with every four years are not the answer.
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Those are valid points. The "standard" politician (in this case, Hillary) isn't the answer for many a person. Here comes someone like Trump basically trashing everything we've seen in politics (how many times have we heard "this hasn't been seen before" in commentaries?). So, many people figure...well, let's give this a chance. We KNOW what happens if the standard politician wins....
 
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The thesis of What's the Matter with Kansas was correct. The GOP did use social wedge issues to drive up white working class turnout and then, in power, turned around and destroyed those same voters with economic policies designed to benefit the rich and hurt everyone else.

But Trump isn't about that at all. Trump is a Huey Long-style fascist: populist and racist rhetoric which will be honestly rewarded with populist and racist policy if he ever gets into office. That's why the GOP hates it so much: the gun they cocked has been pointed back at their own heads.

It would be worth it to let them pull the trigger, if not for the misery it would also bring to so many innocents.
 
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Hillary Clinton: "I'm feeling great!"
Her doctor: "She has pneumonia."

To those who've had pneumonia (I never have; I specialize in bronchitis ;) ), would you say you felt great?
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Hillary Clinton: "I'm feeling great!"
Her doctor: "She has pneumonia."

To those who've had pneumonia (I never have; I specialize in bronchitis ;) ), would you say you felt great?
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Hell no. Grabbing a kleenex was pure hell. I didn't want to move.
 
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Kepler said:
The thesis of What's the Matter with Kansas was correct. The GOP did use social wedge issues to drive up white working class turnout and then, in power, turned around and destroyed those same voters with economic policies designed to benefit the rich and hurt everyone else.
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Is that really all that far-afield to what Democrats have done to Detroit? It's the standard MO for politicians: say what you have to to get elected; screw over everyone after you're in, save for the few that are funding your campaign and PAC.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Is that really all that far-afield to what Democrats have done to Detroit? It's the standard MO for politicians: say what you have to to get elected; screw over everyone after you're in, save for the few that are funding your campaign and PAC.
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What exactly did the Democrats do to Detroit? The systemic problems there are systemic everywhere and an exact reflection of trickle down economic policy and actuarial Armageddon. Every actuary who set insurance, fiscal, and investment tables for the middle class from 1970 to 2010 should be subject to the death penalty.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Is that really all that far-afield to what Democrats have done to Detroit? It's the standard MO for politicians: say what you have to to get elected; screw over everyone after you're in, save for the few that are funding your campaign and PAC.
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CC: to those who think Trump believes half of what he says. ;)
 
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Former Anchor for Al Jazeera America, CNN, and MSNBC @DavidShuter has tweeted:

Clarification from dem operatives @HillaryClinton pneumonia: Expect emergency DNC meeting to CONSIDER replacement. #HillarysHealth
 
The Sicatoka said:
Former Anchor for Al Jazeera America, CNN, and MSNBC @DavidShuter has tweeted:

Clarification from dem operatives @HillaryClinton pneumonia: Expect emergency DNC meeting to CONSIDER replacement. #HillarysHealth
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What a pant load that is
 
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