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Campaign 2016 Part XVI: KICK THE BABY!
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St. Clown
Liberal Rebel Scum, apparently
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XVI: KICK THE BABY!
First, where do these voters place their priorities, on their income or on social issues?
Second, you're asking a large subset of a mass of people to consider that they've been wrong on something. People are reluctant to admit mistakes, especially when they're strongly rooted in that mistake by way of an extended history. It generally takes something truly great to move people into an action to change behavior.
Third, it can always be some other group's/person's fault.
First, where do these voters place their priorities, on their income or on social issues?
Second, you're asking a large subset of a mass of people to consider that they've been wrong on something. People are reluctant to admit mistakes, especially when they're strongly rooted in that mistake by way of an extended history. It generally takes something truly great to move people into an action to change behavior.
Third, it can always be some other group's/person's fault.
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XVI: KICK THE BABY!
Ah yes. The classic paternalistic hogwash pedaled by people on the left like Rover.
The poor wretched masses. Simply too stupid and poor to even understand what's best for them. Tsk, tsk.
Really? Meanwhile, Rover, who once bragged to me that he could "buy me" ten times over due to his wealth, and Kep, who's looking for a retirement villa in the southwest at age 53, who can't wait to vote for people like Sanders or HRC who want to stick it to the one-percenters. You guys ever stop to think that maybe people vote against what might be in their best financial interests just because they think that candidate will otherwise be better for the country?
Ah yes. The classic paternalistic hogwash pedaled by people on the left like Rover.
The poor wretched masses. Simply too stupid and poor to even understand what's best for them. Tsk, tsk.
Really? Meanwhile, Rover, who once bragged to me that he could "buy me" ten times over due to his wealth, and Kep, who's looking for a retirement villa in the southwest at age 53, who can't wait to vote for people like Sanders or HRC who want to stick it to the one-percenters. You guys ever stop to think that maybe people vote against what might be in their best financial interests just because they think that candidate will otherwise be better for the country?
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XVI: KICK THE BABY!
Lots of anger here. You must be a Trump supporter! Where to begin....
1) You've got to be a total idiot to think Trump would be a better President than a potted plant, let alone the super experienced, steady hand that is HRC.
2) People should be getting their advice from me, or at the very least my newsletter. However, I can't help people if they don't want to help themselves.
3) Sticking with my theme that old people, defined as the 60's to 70's crowd, are the source of most of the country's political problems I'd say that people of this age group are more easily manipulated than anybody else. Prone to conspiracy theories and seeing boogeymen around every corner, a fear based campaign works best on these idiots. The quicker their influence dwindles the better off we're all going to be.
Lots of anger here. You must be a Trump supporter! Where to begin....
1) You've got to be a total idiot to think Trump would be a better President than a potted plant, let alone the super experienced, steady hand that is HRC.
2) People should be getting their advice from me, or at the very least my newsletter. However, I can't help people if they don't want to help themselves.
3) Sticking with my theme that old people, defined as the 60's to 70's crowd, are the source of most of the country's political problems I'd say that people of this age group are more easily manipulated than anybody else. Prone to conspiracy theories and seeing boogeymen around every corner, a fear based campaign works best on these idiots. The quicker their influence dwindles the better off we're all going to be.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XVI: KICK THE BABY!
You never could -- network news in the days of Uncle Walter was a loss leader. Quality news got people in the door and then they watched the other pablum and bought tires.
But that was when there were 3 networks. With 900 stations nobody can afford a loss leader -- viewers don't stay in the store past the ad break. So everything has to be immediately entertaining to the average viewer.
Public TV can still get away with real news, though even it has been debased.
The future of real news is cable niche market shows directed at smart people. So far comedy has it, but it's just a matter of time until somebody tries to do it straight. But it will never be the kind of thing the idiocracy watches. At most it will have a Bill Buckley sort of audience -- people who are already informed.
Television is finished as a raiser up of the Great Unwashed. Mencken would tell you it was always doomed to fail.
You never could -- network news in the days of Uncle Walter was a loss leader. Quality news got people in the door and then they watched the other pablum and bought tires.
But that was when there were 3 networks. With 900 stations nobody can afford a loss leader -- viewers don't stay in the store past the ad break. So everything has to be immediately entertaining to the average viewer.
Public TV can still get away with real news, though even it has been debased.
The future of real news is cable niche market shows directed at smart people. So far comedy has it, but it's just a matter of time until somebody tries to do it straight. But it will never be the kind of thing the idiocracy watches. At most it will have a Bill Buckley sort of audience -- people who are already informed.
Television is finished as a raiser up of the Great Unwashed. Mencken would tell you it was always doomed to fail.
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Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XVI: KICK THE BABY!
First off, I doubt that poor people who vote Republican think they are making a deliberate economic sacrifice for the good of the country. I think they really believe the Republican economics will be better for them personally.
Secondly, it's great that I can afford to vote to cut my own throat with higher taxes for higher incomes. That's a luxury. If you're poor and you're still doing that while your kids go hungry and you can't afford to educate them, that doesn't make you a patriot, it makes you a sh-tty parent. But like I said, I doubt any of them think that is what they are doing.
First off, I doubt that poor people who vote Republican think they are making a deliberate economic sacrifice for the good of the country. I think they really believe the Republican economics will be better for them personally.
Secondly, it's great that I can afford to vote to cut my own throat with higher taxes for higher incomes. That's a luxury. If you're poor and you're still doing that while your kids go hungry and you can't afford to educate them, that doesn't make you a patriot, it makes you a sh-tty parent. But like I said, I doubt any of them think that is what they are doing.
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Re: Campaign 2016 Part XVI: KICK THE BABY!
I'll reiterate that the lasting legacy of those smelly Occupy Wall St little bahstids was coining the "1%er" phrase to define the uber rich that get all the benefits of Republican policies. Can someone name me the last GOP proposal that hurt the wealthy? People support policies that don't benefit them because as Kep alluded to they think these policies do actually have something in it for them. Take tax cuts for the rich. Awhile back a poll showed like half of people thought they were in the top tax bracket, even though a fraction of them are. So, when knuckledraggers talk about cutting the top tax rate, they equate that with getting a tax cut even though they'll never see it. Now when you explain the Trump-Ryan-Romney-etc-etc tax cuts are all going to the 1%, most people realize they're not in the top 1% of income earners. Consequently Trump is about to get crushed.
I'll reiterate that the lasting legacy of those smelly Occupy Wall St little bahstids was coining the "1%er" phrase to define the uber rich that get all the benefits of Republican policies. Can someone name me the last GOP proposal that hurt the wealthy? People support policies that don't benefit them because as Kep alluded to they think these policies do actually have something in it for them. Take tax cuts for the rich. Awhile back a poll showed like half of people thought they were in the top tax bracket, even though a fraction of them are. So, when knuckledraggers talk about cutting the top tax rate, they equate that with getting a tax cut even though they'll never see it. Now when you explain the Trump-Ryan-Romney-etc-etc tax cuts are all going to the 1%, most people realize they're not in the top 1% of income earners. Consequently Trump is about to get crushed.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XVI: KICK THE BABY!
RCP No Toss Ups has now reached 2 weeks without a state changing. It is sitting as Clinton winning 362-176, with chalk plus all the purples and GA going blue.
Their Senate NTU is 50/50 with Mr. Kaine resolving ties, so yes hello, Ninth Circuit? Send me up a brace of wild-eyed young leftists, please. Yes, I'll hold.
To give an idea of where we are in the campaign, there are now fewer than half as many days before the election (77) as since the Scalia vacancy (159).
RCP No Toss Ups has now reached 2 weeks without a state changing. It is sitting as Clinton winning 362-176, with chalk plus all the purples and GA going blue.
Their Senate NTU is 50/50 with Mr. Kaine resolving ties, so yes hello, Ninth Circuit? Send me up a brace of wild-eyed young leftists, please. Yes, I'll hold.
To give an idea of where we are in the campaign, there are now fewer than half as many days before the election (77) as since the Scalia vacancy (159).
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Re: Campaign 2016 Part XVI: KICK THE BABY!
I don't believe that poor people who vote R do so thinking they are making an economic sacrifice for the good of the country. But I also don't think they are voting that way because they think Republicans are going to pass laws better for them economically. I think they tend to vote the way they do because social issues may be more important to them than economic ones.
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XVI: KICK THE BABY!
Well THIS is interesting. Nice people the Trump campaign hires...
https://www.apnews.com/d98c99e86265...-of-religious-war:-Trump-staff's-online-posts
Well THIS is interesting. Nice people the Trump campaign hires...
https://www.apnews.com/d98c99e86265...-of-religious-war:-Trump-staff's-online-posts
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XVI: KICK THE BABY!
I'm playing a game here. I haven't clicked it yet so my nominations are:
white supremacist, Holocaust denier, war criminal, Fundy pedophile, and disbarred attorney
and my winner is white supremacist.
C'mon, white supremacist!
And the winner is...
... well, dayum. Looks like the winner is all of the above.
I'm playing a game here. I haven't clicked it yet so my nominations are:
white supremacist, Holocaust denier, war criminal, Fundy pedophile, and disbarred attorney
and my winner is white supremacist.
C'mon, white supremacist!
And the winner is...
... well, dayum. Looks like the winner is all of the above.
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FlagDUDE08
Banned
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XVI: KICK THE BABY!
It's even funnier when those whining about sticking it to the 1%ers are 1%ers. Put your money where your mouth is, and send your money to Parkersburg WV to reduce the public debt.
It's even funnier when those whining about sticking it to the 1%ers are 1%ers. Put your money where your mouth is, and send your money to Parkersburg WV to reduce the public debt.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XVI: KICK THE BABY!
The absolute stupidest argument ever. The US Government isn't a charity and cannot be funded that way.
The absolute stupidest argument ever. The US Government isn't a charity and cannot be funded that way.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XVI: KICK THE BABY!
Almost as silly as "we should run the government like a household budget." Yeah -- talk to corporate CEOs about that.
Almost as silly as "we should run the government like a household budget." Yeah -- talk to corporate CEOs about that.
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XVI: KICK THE BABY!
It's adorable that you think that qualifies for the 1%.
It's adorable that you think that qualifies for the 1%.
St. Clown
Liberal Rebel Scum, apparently
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XVI: KICK THE BABY!
And yet the federal government does technically accept monetary gifts from its citizens. So DC is at least willing to partially fund the government that way.
And yet the federal government does technically accept monetary gifts from its citizens. So DC is at least willing to partially fund the government that way.
Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XVI: KICK THE BABY!
But werent we told rich people making $250k a year couldnt make ends meet? That was of course after the same person said teachers were rich money grubbers scamming the system
But werent we told rich people making $250k a year couldnt make ends meet? That was of course after the same person said teachers were rich money grubbers scamming the system
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XVI: KICK THE BABY!
I find the shape of the graph the most interesting part. Really slams it home for me.
But werent we told rich people making $250k a year couldnt make ends meet? That was of course after the same person said teachers were rich money grubbers scamming the system
I find the shape of the graph the most interesting part. Really slams it home for me.
Slap Shot
I got nothing
Are you familiar with the yellow journalism feud between Pulitzer and Hearst?
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