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Campaign 2016 Part XVI: KICK THE BABY!
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Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XVI: KICK THE BABY!
That is by far the best response to that question
Well the older folks either had Diet Pepsi or wine...one dude drank Absolute Tonic. The VIPs were reserved...
The non-VIP crowd drank everything to numb the pain
Scooby,
When Drumpf brought up Bernie Sanders would be picking the SC judges (still not sure who told him to say that) I for some reason thought of you. That is just the type of crackpot theory that would work on the people you fear the most. (Reality TV Voters) Problem is rich folks have gone to college they know he is full of it
That is by far the best response to that question
Well the older folks either had Diet Pepsi or wine...one dude drank Absolute Tonic. The VIPs were reserved...
The non-VIP crowd drank everything to numb the pain
Scooby,
When Drumpf brought up Bernie Sanders would be picking the SC judges (still not sure who told him to say that) I for some reason thought of you. That is just the type of crackpot theory that would work on the people you fear the most. (Reality TV Voters) Problem is rich folks have gone to college they know he is full of it
ExileOnDaytonStreet
Drunkard
Maybe post it "anonymously" on imgur or something?
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
How many cars do ford and GM have to move to just cover their pension cost? Pay that health plan for their retirees?
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XVI: KICK THE BABY!
They have only themselves to blame. They took all that value from the 1920s through the 1960s -- fifty years of broken field running -- and squandered it while everybody else invested to the gills in tech and drank their milkshake. Now winter's here and the grasshopper is SOL.
No sympathy. The only bad thing is the swine who made those choices retired filthy rich and their do-nothing Trumpish progeny cashed out and will live high on the hog for generations until fiscal Darwinism puts them in the trailer park they are destined for. The people who suffer will, as always, be the workers who are laid off and eventually stiffed of their pensions, their families, and all the supporting community who go ti-ts up.
They have only themselves to blame. They took all that value from the 1920s through the 1960s -- fifty years of broken field running -- and squandered it while everybody else invested to the gills in tech and drank their milkshake. Now winter's here and the grasshopper is SOL.
No sympathy. The only bad thing is the swine who made those choices retired filthy rich and their do-nothing Trumpish progeny cashed out and will live high on the hog for generations until fiscal Darwinism puts them in the trailer park they are destined for. The people who suffer will, as always, be the workers who are laid off and eventually stiffed of their pensions, their families, and all the supporting community who go ti-ts up.
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Jimjamesak
Already insane, UAA making it worse
Ah Capitalism...
WeAreNDHockey
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Re: Campaign 2016 Part XVI: KICK THE BABY!
Apparently people may have begun to lose interest in poll after poll showing Clinton leading (and many showing her extending the lead) so someone commissioned a poll that could finally show Trump making up some ground in a battleground state. Something called the "Center For Excellence In Project Execution" has decided to enter the political polling field and their latest poll shows Trump surging to a 5 point lead in the KKK, er uh I mean Keystone State.
If this poll seems like an outlier, it's because it is. Of the 10 polls listed on 538.com for Pennsylvania, 9 show Clinton with a lead and all of those show her up by at least 5 points. In fact the adjusted average of the 10 polls show her up in the state by 8 points and the one that has her trailing (by 1% point) was completed in early July before either convention. This latest poll from CEPEX is such a transparent joke I think those reporting its results without stating clearly how suspect its methodology is lack any journalistic integrity. The poll was conducted strictly over landline phones, over the course of just one day, and it was a robo-call where the caller was invited to "press '1' for Donald Trump, press '2' for Hillary Clinton, press '3' for neither." One day? Only landlines? First choice for all respondents was Trump?
I am not usually the first in line at the tinfoil store when it comes to whispering about the mainstream media, but this poll makes it obvious that -- at least to a certain extent -- the media will feed things out there to hook viewers, readers or listeners and reel them in. There is accurate information out there and people reporting in an ethical manner, but I guess you have to be diligent and remember to look at stuff very closely. My guess though is a poll like this would never have made it to the national news or been picked up by the AP or UPI in the 1970s.
Apparently people may have begun to lose interest in poll after poll showing Clinton leading (and many showing her extending the lead) so someone commissioned a poll that could finally show Trump making up some ground in a battleground state. Something called the "Center For Excellence In Project Execution" has decided to enter the political polling field and their latest poll shows Trump surging to a 5 point lead in the KKK, er uh I mean Keystone State.
If this poll seems like an outlier, it's because it is. Of the 10 polls listed on 538.com for Pennsylvania, 9 show Clinton with a lead and all of those show her up by at least 5 points. In fact the adjusted average of the 10 polls show her up in the state by 8 points and the one that has her trailing (by 1% point) was completed in early July before either convention. This latest poll from CEPEX is such a transparent joke I think those reporting its results without stating clearly how suspect its methodology is lack any journalistic integrity. The poll was conducted strictly over landline phones, over the course of just one day, and it was a robo-call where the caller was invited to "press '1' for Donald Trump, press '2' for Hillary Clinton, press '3' for neither." One day? Only landlines? First choice for all respondents was Trump?
I am not usually the first in line at the tinfoil store when it comes to whispering about the mainstream media, but this poll makes it obvious that -- at least to a certain extent -- the media will feed things out there to hook viewers, readers or listeners and reel them in. There is accurate information out there and people reporting in an ethical manner, but I guess you have to be diligent and remember to look at stuff very closely. My guess though is a poll like this would never have made it to the national news or been picked up by the AP or UPI in the 1970s.
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XVI: KICK THE BABY!
Its worse than that. Pew Research, allegedly one of the "better" pollsters, came out with a survey showing Clinton up by only 4 points. Seemed a bit fishy to me, so I took a glance at the crosstabs. Not surprisingly they overweighted white voters and I'll bet non college educated ones at that to arrive at a closer race.
Look, if Trump not only halts minorities making up an extra 2% of the voting pool as they have been doing for the last 30 years but also reverses it so that whites are a greater share of the voters than they were 4 years ago, yes we'll have a closer than expected race. Lets just say the chances of that happening are somewhere between slim and none.
But to your larger point, pollsters and the mainstream media will not allow an out of margin of error race. It kills their business, so why would they do that?
Its worse than that. Pew Research, allegedly one of the "better" pollsters, came out with a survey showing Clinton up by only 4 points. Seemed a bit fishy to me, so I took a glance at the crosstabs. Not surprisingly they overweighted white voters and I'll bet non college educated ones at that to arrive at a closer race.
Look, if Trump not only halts minorities making up an extra 2% of the voting pool as they have been doing for the last 30 years but also reverses it so that whites are a greater share of the voters than they were 4 years ago, yes we'll have a closer than expected race. Lets just say the chances of that happening are somewhere between slim and none.
But to your larger point, pollsters and the mainstream media will not allow an out of margin of error race. It kills their business, so why would they do that?
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XVI: KICK THE BABY!
This is the problem with media. They abandoned journalism long ago for ratings. It's sick and sad and terrible. Right-leaning, left-leaning, whatever. Doesn't matter. No one really reports the NEWS anymore. They are verbal and visual click-bait. It sucks.
Its worse than that. Pew Research, allegedly one of the "better" pollsters, came out with a survey showing Clinton up by only 4 points. Seemed a bit fishy to me, so I took a glance at the crosstabs. Not surprisingly they overweighted white voters and I'll bet non college educated ones at that to arrive at a closer race.
Look, if Trump not only halts minorities making up an extra 2% of the voting pool as they have been doing for the last 30 years but also reverses it so that whites are a greater share of the voters than they were 4 years ago, yes we'll have a closer than expected race. Lets just say the chances of that happening are somewhere between slim and none.
But to your larger point, pollsters and the mainstream media will not allow an out of margin of error race. It kills their business, so why would they do that?
This is the problem with media. They abandoned journalism long ago for ratings. It's sick and sad and terrible. Right-leaning, left-leaning, whatever. Doesn't matter. No one really reports the NEWS anymore. They are verbal and visual click-bait. It sucks.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XVI: KICK THE BABY!
I've heard for decades now that the private sector is always better than the public. Always. Well, after John Oliver on his show Last Week Tonight eviscerated Charter Schools. Yes, Charter Schools. The conservative communities wet dream of capitalism and education blended together in a euphoria of success and piggy bank money savings. What exactly are we to believe? I don't know anymore.
http://www.mediaite.com/online/john...-schools-the-system-doesnt-work-on-any-level/
I wanted John to spend the whole large segment of his show on Charter Schools cause the information was dizzying and well done. But, he spent the last 8 minutes or so showing Trump how he could be a hero in the end.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/john-oliver-plan-seal-donald-121923531.html?ref=gs
I've heard for decades now that the private sector is always better than the public. Always. Well, after John Oliver on his show Last Week Tonight eviscerated Charter Schools. Yes, Charter Schools. The conservative communities wet dream of capitalism and education blended together in a euphoria of success and piggy bank money savings. What exactly are we to believe? I don't know anymore.
http://www.mediaite.com/online/john...-schools-the-system-doesnt-work-on-any-level/
I wanted John to spend the whole large segment of his show on Charter Schools cause the information was dizzying and well done. But, he spent the last 8 minutes or so showing Trump how he could be a hero in the end.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/john-oliver-plan-seal-donald-121923531.html?ref=gs
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XVI: KICK THE BABY!
For some reason, people pretend that when money is involved, the desire is so high that the system is more likely to be optimized for whatever performance.
Yet I've rarely met anyone who's company actually performs that well- so the most obvious source of evidence is consistently ignored- who you work for.
It's quite funny that people do realize that Dilbert is funny because it rings so true, but they don't seem to realize that it's funny to everyone.
On the other hand, people pretend that when profit is not part of the equation that optimization is never possible. Even though that's not true, either.
There are some really big segments of society that have no need for making money, as the basic function should benefit us all equally- defense, schools, prisons, roads, etc. And I know a lot of people would put in basic health insurance as well. We have a good consumer based society as it is. Everything doesn't have to be pay to play.
For some reason, people pretend that when money is involved, the desire is so high that the system is more likely to be optimized for whatever performance.
Yet I've rarely met anyone who's company actually performs that well- so the most obvious source of evidence is consistently ignored- who you work for.
It's quite funny that people do realize that Dilbert is funny because it rings so true, but they don't seem to realize that it's funny to everyone.
On the other hand, people pretend that when profit is not part of the equation that optimization is never possible. Even though that's not true, either.
There are some really big segments of society that have no need for making money, as the basic function should benefit us all equally- defense, schools, prisons, roads, etc. And I know a lot of people would put in basic health insurance as well. We have a good consumer based society as it is. Everything doesn't have to be pay to play.
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XVI: KICK THE BABY!
That's why on election night I'll be watching BBC America for my coverage. Spot on analysis without giving a hoot about being accused of bias by us jerky yanks!
That's why on election night I'll be watching BBC America for my coverage. Spot on analysis without giving a hoot about being accused of bias by us jerky yanks!
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XVI: KICK THE BABY!
It's the problem with the country. 50% of the country believes that the profit motive is all that ****ing matters.
It's the problem with the country. 50% of the country believes that the profit motive is all that ****ing matters.
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XVI: KICK THE BABY!
I don't know what the percentages are or how you would determine them, but I don't think much has changed in that regard. A huge number of people are just trying to get by. Are we any more profit driven than we were in the 50s? 20s? 80s?
The problem with media accountability is that there is now a 24-hour, world-wide feeding cycle, and sources are throwing crumbs and anything else that looks like food.
I don't know what the percentages are or how you would determine them, but I don't think much has changed in that regard. A huge number of people are just trying to get by. Are we any more profit driven than we were in the 50s? 20s? 80s?
The problem with media accountability is that there is now a 24-hour, world-wide feeding cycle, and sources are throwing crumbs and anything else that looks like food.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XVI: KICK THE BABY!
Journalistic integrity doesn't sell. It used to be you could make money off of it. Now you can't. It's gone. The ship has sailed. There's more investigative journalism in a 1/2 hour comedy piece by John Oliver than there is in the Wall Street Journal every month.
Journalistic integrity doesn't sell. It used to be you could make money off of it. Now you can't. It's gone. The ship has sailed. There's more investigative journalism in a 1/2 hour comedy piece by John Oliver than there is in the Wall Street Journal every month.
WeAreNDHockey
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Re: Campaign 2016 Part XVI: KICK THE BABY!
And sadly quite a few people in that 50% are not the ones making all the profit, but are instead being used by those that are. I am constantly amazed at people who routinely vote in such a way that is at odds with their economic station in life. This also anecdotally seems to be true much more often with people voting "R" than "D."
And sadly quite a few people in that 50% are not the ones making all the profit, but are instead being used by those that are. I am constantly amazed at people who routinely vote in such a way that is at odds with their economic station in life. This also anecdotally seems to be true much more often with people voting "R" than "D."
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XVI: KICK THE BABY!
What's sad is that the private and public sectors are equally good and equally bad. Pitting them against each other is folly and prevents us from creating real logical best in class solutions to the problems that ail us.
What's sad is that the private and public sectors are equally good and equally bad. Pitting them against each other is folly and prevents us from creating real logical best in class solutions to the problems that ail us.
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XVI: KICK THE BABY!
I'm more curious as to why people are so set in their ways voting wise. So if you're living in West Virginia, and your state is mired in poverty, its perfectly reasonable to kick out the Dems and turn the govt over to the GOP. But, if after a time your state is still mired in the same level of poverty, kick out the GOP and switch back to the Dems, and keep alternating until you get someone that can make a difference. Here in liberal Mass, Dems twice put up a completely incompetent candidate - once for Senate and once for Governor. She lost twice to a Republican, meaning just putting a D next to your name doesn't guarantee you election even here. Seems putting an R next your name does get you automatically elected in the Deep South regardless of your level of stupidity (although it should be noted Louisiana bucked the trend after the horrific Bobby Jindal experiment).
I'm more curious as to why people are so set in their ways voting wise. So if you're living in West Virginia, and your state is mired in poverty, its perfectly reasonable to kick out the Dems and turn the govt over to the GOP. But, if after a time your state is still mired in the same level of poverty, kick out the GOP and switch back to the Dems, and keep alternating until you get someone that can make a difference. Here in liberal Mass, Dems twice put up a completely incompetent candidate - once for Senate and once for Governor. She lost twice to a Republican, meaning just putting a D next to your name doesn't guarantee you election even here. Seems putting an R next your name does get you automatically elected in the Deep South regardless of your level of stupidity (although it should be noted Louisiana bucked the trend after the horrific Bobby Jindal experiment).
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XVI: KICK THE BABY!
Why would I give two hoots about my economic position in life when the government is killing babies, taking away my guns, and letting freaks get married?
Why would I give two hoots about my economic position in life when the government is killing babies, taking away my guns, and letting freaks get married?
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