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Campaign 2016 Part XV: Before & After: Dancing in the Streets of Philadelphia!

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Trump would commit honest-to-God treason if he thought he would benefit.
Considering that he's likely in debt to Russian oligarchs (because US banks won't loan him after the nth bankruptcy) , he's probably doing so right now. That's why he's never going to release his tax returns.
 
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Maybe that's why he and Putin have been so supportive of each other in the media?
 
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So you are saying that because I voted for Obama in '08 and now will choose to vote 3rd party (in a state that has zero chance of going Red) I am saying "I dont mind Trump as President"? That is Faux Level fear mongering/BS.

No, I'm saying if you voted for Obama in 2012 and now decided to go 3rd party you've got problems (which in your case is probably a given ;) ).

2008 was a Hope and Change election. A lot of people gave Obama a try, especially following up the putrid stench of the Bush administration. 2012 was less inspirational and more about realism. 2016 is the same. If you chose in 2012 to continue with Obama as opposed to giving the opposition a blank check to change the course of the country, why then would you turn around and allow Trump to do the same now? For all of Mittens faults, he wasn't batchit insane.

Regarding Trump and Russia this is a perfect opportunity to ratfuk his campaign. If there's one thing those good ol boy Confederate flag waving old people hate, its the Rooskies! Most of Trump's supporters thought Rambo was a documentary. If there's any sniff of collusion between the Trumpster and his good buddy Putin Dems need to make a show of it and insinuate that's why he's hiding his tax returns! Its perfect! No these Duck Dynasty watchers aren't going to vote Hillary but they might stay home.
 
No, I'm saying if you voted for Obama in 2012 and now decided to go 3rd party you've got problems (which in your case is probably a given ;) ).

2008 was a Hope and Change election. A lot of people gave Obama a try, especially following up the putrid stench of the Bush administration. 2012 was less inspirational and more about realism. 2016 is the same. If you chose in 2012 to continue with Obama as opposed to giving the opposition a blank check to change the course of the country, why then would you turn around and allow Trump to do the same now? For all of Mittens faults, he wasn't batchit insane.

Regarding Trump and Russia this is a perfect opportunity to ratfuk his campaign. If there's one thing those good ol boy Confederate flag waving old people hate, its the Rooskies! Most of Trump's supporters thought Rambo was a documentary. If there's any sniff of collusion between the Trumpster and his good buddy Putin Dems need to make a show of it and insinuate that's why he's hiding his tax returns! Its perfect! No these Duck Dynasty watchers aren't going to vote Hillary but they might stay home.

Geez Rover - get your movies right. Rambo was not a documentary, Missing in Action was.

Chuck Norris is our hero along with Sam Elliott.
 
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Geez Rover - get your movies right. Rambo was not a documentary, Missing in Action was.

Chuck Norris is our hero along with Sam Elliott.

Huh. You learn something new every day I guess... ;)
 
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So you are saying that because I voted for Obama in '08 and now will choose to vote 3rd party (in a state that has zero chance of going Red) I am saying "I dont mind Trump as President"? That is Faux Level fear mongering/BS.

"O con noi o contro di noi"
 
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So, the Trumpster is 0 for 2 in terms of DNC vs RNC TV ratings. Normally you wouldn't care but if Trump is such a game changer/car wreck, shouldn't he, ya know, actually be attracting viewers to see his carnival act?

http://www.vox.com/2016/7/26/12293208/dnc-ratings-higher-rnc
 
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Trump would commit honest-to-God treason if he thought he would benefit.

He's already encouraging Russians to commit what would be treason if it were by an American.

Regarding Trump and Russia this is a perfect opportunity to ratfuk his campaign. If there's one thing those good ol boy Confederate flag waving old people hate, its the Rooskies! Most of Trump's supporters thought Rambo was a documentary. If there's any sniff of collusion between the Trumpster and his good buddy Putin Dems need to make a show of it and insinuate that's why he's hiding his tax returns! Its perfect! No these Duck Dynasty watchers aren't going to vote Hillary but they might stay home.

Sorry no. Media of the right is already minimizing a potential Russian relationship. And the same 'good ole boy' followers who took the first piece of bait...will doubtless line up behind him whatever position he takes because that's what they do.
 
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The silence from our right-wing brethren on Trump's latest is deafening.

I can only imagine the uproar if Hillary asked China to get Paul Ryan's emails.
 
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The silence from our right-wing brethren on Trump's latest is deafening.

I can only imagine the uproar if Hillary asked China to get Paul Ryan's emails.
Far be it for me to defend Trump, but wasn't this series of tweets intended as a sarcastic jab at HRC? A bunch of her emails were missing. As I recall she claims they were just deleted as a matter of course. The DNC then claims they were hacked by the Russians.

Wasn't this just Trump, tongue in cheek, saying something like, "hey, while you're at it, why don't you see if you can find those missing, deleted emails."

Sure, the Clinton campaign has jumped on the, "OHMYGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD he's committing treason by asking the russians to spy on her" thread, but I didn't think most of you would fall for that too.
 
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Far be it for me to defend Trump, but wasn't this series of tweets intended as a sarcastic jab at HRC? A bunch of her emails were missing. As I recall she claims they were just deleted as a matter of course. The DNC then claims they were hacked by the Russians.

Wasn't this just Trump, tongue in cheek, saying something like, "hey, while you're at it, why don't you see if you can find those missing, deleted emails."

Sure, the Clinton campaign has jumped on the, "OHMYGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD he's committing treason by asking the russians to spy on her" thread, but I didn't think most of you would fall for that too.

Well, they don't call it a global war on terror for nothing... perhaps it's an unlikely ally for the time being. The whole point was to vet out enemies, both foreign and domestic. The loonies have been so busy going after right-wing nutjobs that they forgot to look right under their nose.
 
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Far be it for me to defend Trump, but wasn't this series of tweets intended as a sarcastic jab at HRC? A bunch of her emails were missing. As I recall she claims they were just deleted as a matter of course. The DNC then claims they were hacked by the Russians.

Wasn't this just Trump, tongue in cheek, saying something like, "hey, while you're at it, why don't you see if you can find those missing, deleted emails."

Sure, the Clinton campaign has jumped on the, "OHMYGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD he's committing treason by asking the russians to spy on her" thread, but I didn't think most of you would fall for that too.

This might be true if Trump was a sane and rational human being. I thought we all agreed that ship has sailed a long time ago. :D
 
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Far be it for me to defend Trump, but wasn't this series of tweets intended as a sarcastic jab at HRC?

When a candidate says "I murdered and ate a baby this morning," it doesn't matter if it's sarcastic -- people are going to go to town on it.

Remember when Kerry said "you know what happens when you don't learn from history, you wind up in Iraq" the GOP spun it as him mocking our troops and used it for the rest of the campaign, even after every sentient being on the planet explained he was mocking Dubya & Co. for being proudly historically illiterate.

If you're worried it will hurt Trump, don't be. One thing about Trump is no matter what idiotic or icky thing he said today, it won't last more than a few hours in the news cycle before being replaced by something even more idiotic or icky.
 
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Sure, the Clinton campaign has jumped on the, "OHMYGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD he's committing treason by asking the russians to spy on her" thread, but I didn't think most of you would fall for that too.

Close you eyes and for ten seconds imagine the Echo Chamber reaction if Clinton had said it.

. . . . . . . . . .

Yeah.
 
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Perhaps this is nothing new to anyone, but the DNC backing Hillary thing doesn't seem like a complete nothingburger:

DNC Leak Shows Mechanics of a Slanted Campaign

Most people guessed at this anyway. But it wasn't until these documents were dumped last week under mysterious circumstances that the extent to which the party both advocated for Hillary and against her opponent Bernie Sanders was made plain.

Nowhere is the discrepancy on greater display than in an episode involving the DNC's reaction to a May 2nd article by Politico reporters Ken Vogel and Isaac Arnsdorf, which itself pointed at a backdoor advantage for the Clinton campaign.

In the piece, headlined "Clinton fundraising leaves little for state parties," Vogel and Arnsdorf discovered an anomaly in Federal Election Commission filings.

A joint fundraising committee called the Hillary Victory Fund, ostensibly designed to funnel money from rich donors to local party committees, had in fact been used as a cut-out to funnel money back to the national party and the Clinton campaign.
As an example, take couples who paid or raised $353,400 to sit at a table with George Clooney, a sum that Clooney himself called an "obscene amount of money." The figure represented the maximum allowable donation given the structure of the Hillary Victory Fund, a joint venture between the Clinton campaign, the DNC and 32 state committees.

Donors can give a maximum of $5,400 per election cycle to Hillary's campaign, $33,400 per year to the DNC, and $10,000 per year to each of the 32 state committees in the fund.

If you assumed that the Clooney guests had already given their maximum $5,400 to the Clinton campaign, that left just over $353,000 for the DNC and the committees.

But Vogel and Arnsdorf found that less than 1 percent of the $61 million raised by the Hillary Victory Fund went to the state committees.

Actually it's better to say that only 1 percent of the money "remained" with the committees. In talking to state sources, the Politico reporters found that large sums of money would sometimes appear briefly in state committee coffers, and disappear just as quickly, and then just as quickly be deposited into DNC accounts.

This was problematic at the very least because large sums of money were going to the DNC that came from donors who in many cases had already given the maximum amount to the DNC.

Vogel-Arnsdorf also noted that of the $23.3 million spent directly by the fund, most "had gone toward expenses that appear to have directly benefited Clinton's campaign, including $2.8 million for 'salary and overhead' and $8.6 million for web advertising that mostly looks indistinguishable from Clinton campaign ads."

The context was significant. Technically, Sanders raised more money than Hillary Clinton in each of the first three months of this year. Sanders early in the year also had a massive advantage over Clinton among small donors, raising $67 million from them through January 31st, compared to less than $22 million for Clinton during the same period.

Will it matter in the end? Probably not but I don't have to simply shrug it off like you would if your kid just did a naughty.
 
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Far be it for me to defend Trump, but wasn't this series of tweets intended as a sarcastic jab at HRC? A bunch of her emails were missing. As I recall she claims they were just deleted as a matter of course. The DNC then claims they were hacked by the Russians.

Wasn't this just Trump, tongue in cheek, saying something like, "hey, while you're at it, why don't you see if you can find those missing, deleted emails."

Sure, the Clinton campaign has jumped on the, "OHMYGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD he's committing treason by asking the russians to spy on her" thread, but I didn't think most of you would fall for that too.

Another news-cycling dominating and well-planned distraction from the Trump campaign on the same day that he had Manafort announce that the tax returns would not be released. Hardly a coincidence.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-wont-release-taxes_us_5798b8d7e4b02d5d5ed39dbb?section=
 
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Perhaps this is nothing new to anyone, but the DNC backing Hillary thing doesn't seem like a complete nothingburger

I linked a story back in last October or November when this was discovered. That was in the heat of the race with the guy they were screwing, and it got zero traction.

I have always thought the Echo Chamber has set themselves up as Chicken Little. If Hillary actually does go out and kill Vince Foster's children one night, just to be tidy, and they spray it all over their media empire in 700 point screaming red type, everybody's going to glance and say, "welp, those fools must need to move a few more dick pills this week" and go back to ignoring them.

That's why you don't make up thirty fake stories a month. Breitbart was right -- he got out when he could.
 
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No, I'm saying if you voted for Obama in 2012 and now decided to go 3rd party you've got problems (which in your case is probably a given ;) ).

2008 was a Hope and Change election. A lot of people gave Obama a try, especially following up the putrid stench of the Bush administration. 2012 was less inspirational and more about realism. 2016 is the same. If you chose in 2012 to continue with Obama as opposed to giving the opposition a blank check to change the course of the country, why then would you turn around and allow Trump to do the same now? For all of Mittens faults, he wasn't batchit insane.

Regarding Trump and Russia this is a perfect opportunity to ratfuk his campaign. If there's one thing those good ol boy Confederate flag waving old people hate, its the Rooskies! Most of Trump's supporters thought Rambo was a documentary. If there's any sniff of collusion between the Trumpster and his good buddy Putin Dems need to make a show of it and insinuate that's why he's hiding his tax returns! Its perfect! No these Duck Dynasty watchers aren't going to vote Hillary but they might stay home.
As long as Hilary is in the race none of those Duck Dynasty watchers are staying home.
 
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