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Campaign 2016 Part XIX: Escape from the Planet of Debates

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ScoobyDoo said:
So, are we predicting the economy is going to go in the tank now?
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Me? No. Kep is. ;)

Kepler said:
That will obviously be the 2020 nominee's opening bid. As hard as it is to beat back incumbent exhaustion for a third term, it's doubly as hard for a fourth, especially considering that after 7 years of economic growth we'll be due for a downturn at some point in the next term.
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William Blake said:
I don't follow, are you just saying the poster I replied to was trolling and he hooked me?
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No I misread what you said and took it differently. Mea culpa you werent trolling I am sorry :)
 
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The Sicatoka said:
If the economy goes in the tank the other side wins.
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Generally yes, but I'm not sure trickle down sells anymore. By right Mitt Romney should have been elected President easily. Over 7% unemployment, economy had been in a 4 year slowdown (Carter didn't cause the economic malaise in the late 70's either but paid for it), a slick businessman comes along and promises massive tax cuts and defense spending that will magically pay for itself...and he got his a ss whipped. 2012 should have been a wake up call that while you may enact massive tax cuts for GOP campaign contributors once in office, don't campaign on it. As Obama hilariously told Mittens in a debate, "1982 called. It wants its economic polices back."
 
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Rover said:
Generally yes, but I'm not sure trickle down sells anymore.
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It sold in Wisconsin and Kansas big time. Kansas finally is starting to reject it. I'm not so sure Wisconsin has yet.
 
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The president always gets too much credit or too much blame for the economy. There are so many other factors at work, but hey, he's the president.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
It sold in Wisconsin and Kansas big time. Kansas finally is starting to reject it. I'm not so sure Wisconsin has yet.
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True, but even Louisiana :eek: rejected it! Lets see how North Carolina reacts this November as well.
 
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Brenthoven said:
The president always gets too much credit or too much blame for the economy. There are so many other factors at work, but hey, he's the president.
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Not sure about this either. There has been a systemic driving by the GOP of trickle down for the last 36 years. It's left destruction in it's wake across the globe. It's still prevalent and the current GOP nominee is running on it. The ups and downs of the economy would have been a lot less disastrous if this disastrous idea had never existed. Obama's recovery plans were hamstrung by GOP in Congress who clung to trickle down by rejecting over and over again the infrastructure spending the country needed to boost the economy and rebuild.

Yet, there is always money for the Middle East. Always.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
They see my problem.
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1. The first woman running for President in a major party and the biggest complaint about her debate performance was that she was "over-prepared". Definitely sounds like someone who was handed everything without putting in the work. The fact that she is resented for having the audacity to believe she deserves a job just because she's qualified says more about you than her.

2. Whatever "lack of candor" she might have certainly hasn't stopped anyone from going over every single moment of her last 30 years with a fine-toothed comb. I don't really care if the President isn't buddies with the press as long as they do their job.

3. The State Department got hacked. She didn't. Scoreboard doesn't lie.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
If you don't recite from the daily press release from the Clinton campaign, the DailyKos, HuffPo, or Salon you're a troll (per Handy or Rover et al).

I dare read Salon, HuffPo, NYT, WaPo, but also < gasp! > WaTimes, WSJ, Drudge, and British media, so I'm a pariah.
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Wrong...I misread what he was saying. Go back to defending the slut shaming/fat shaming...
 
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MaizeRage said:
3. The State Department got hacked. She didn't.
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Her server, with "alphabetically ordered paragraph identifiers", like ( C ) , was hacked.

USA Today enumerated the issues. I agree with them. Write a letter to them explaining why they are wrong.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Nope. That doesn't fly either. Trump is Mr. Economy this time around and yet his only idea is tired old trickle down. That's not going to work anymore. You can dupe Kansas and Wisconsin if you're Brownback and Walker but you can't dupe the country.
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Scooby stop stealing my lines ;)

(glad you are seeing it though :D )
 
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Rover said:
This a long but surprisingly good summary out of Tiger Beat on the Potomac about the e-mail/server issue. Sic, you're SOL on this one I'm afraid.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/st...mails-2016-server-state-department-fbi-214307
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Her server was hacked at least once.
In January 2013, the Clinton server saw what the FBI determined was its only known “successful compromise.”
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But my favorite is this:
On March 14, a hacker known as “Guccifer,” a 40-something Romanian taxi driver named Marcel Lazăr Lehel, found in another account he’d cracked an email address belonging to Sidney Blumenthal, a longtime Clinton aide and confidant. ... Guccifer was not a technically sophisticated hacker, relying instead on patience and research to crack users’ passwords and security questions; he later told authorities that he spent six months to get inside the email of a Romanian politician, Corina Cretu. Blumenthal’s email was much easier: He told the FBI he spent only 20 minutes on research and guessing before he was able to successfully reset Blumenthal’s password by answering a security challenge question.
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That's some awesome security. ;)

PS - The Blumenthal hack?
Security question: What's your daddy's first name? Answer: Hillary. ;) :D


PPS - The media talks about Guccifer like he's some sort of mastermind organized hacker, "Danny Ocean" of the internet. That says he's a plain old brute force "smash-and-grab" thief.
 
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The more I look at this election cycle the more I'm sure Ross Perot is somewhere, rocking in a chair, murmuring to himself, "24 years too early, 24 years too d*mn early ... "
 
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