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Campaign 2016 Part XIX: Escape from the Planet of Debates

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Kepler said:
Interesting, we're exactly the same. I've tried to explain this as "power functions right, detail functions left" or "below the belt left, above the belt right," but neither is exactly accurate.

Apparently while we're rare we're not the super-duper freaks. Those are the folks like us but exactly reversed -- i.e., right-handed writing, left-handed tennis etc... IIRC we are about 1% of the population while they are .1% of the population.
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My uncle describes things well for several of us in my family: Mechanically left-handed, electronically right-handed. I write and do sports left-handed, but send Morse code, use a mouse, and play instruments right-handed. By no means, though, am I ambidextrous. Perhaps the way you describe may be a little more accurate, as I will use a can opener or pencil sharpener right-handed. Funny thing is, left-handed people make really good console game players because control of the character is much more important than actions.

It may be a lot more common than we'd think...
 
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I dvr'd the debate, which I haven't watched yet, but caught the first 45 minutes or so live. For what its worth, I could really see Trump's appeal to the electorate, with his attacks on do-nothing government, bad trade agreements, wasteful spending, jobs going to Mexico, etc. If I felt like he cared about any of that, and wasn't just saying it to get elected, I could see why people would support him. But he doesn't and his whole "we're gonna fix that" schtick for after he gets elected isn't a plan for doing so.

But you could see him getting pizzy after the first 2o minutes or so, and he didn't help himself in split screen shots with that sour look on his face, like someone just farted and he's stuck there smelling it. I also don't think he helped himself with his "That's business" interjection when Hillary was talking about people losing their houses. That isn't gonna sit well with the average working man who thinks big business takes advantage of the little man already, nor will the fact that he stiffs people out of being paid for work they do for him.

Nor "that makes me smart" comment when talking about paying no taxes. What's that make everyone that pays taxes, stupid? So pretty much most of the country is stupid in his eyes. Notice he never even countered the charge that he doesn't pay taxes, just that it makes him smart not to do so.

Hillary was totally on point most of the night, and whether that appeals to the undecideds, I don't know. But she dominated the man who doesn't like to be dominated, and she controlled the terms of the debate, putting him on the defensive. I don't see him improving either, or tempering his style, but rather the opposite, doubling down on the nasty and aggressive to try to dominate her. And it won't look pretty.
 
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Rover said:
You were an idiot long before we had this conversation Scoobs. :D

Moving on, I'm seeing this recurring theme out of Trump that he'll bring up Bill Clinton's cheating in the next debate. Does anybody else see how easily this is going to get thrown in his face? Isn't he on his 3rd wife and he knocked up his girlfriend and future wife Marla Maples while still married to his first wife? So an adulterer is going to go after a woman who got cheated on? Ummm....okay... :confused:
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No. He keeps talking about it, but he'll never do it to her face, because he's a bully and a coward. Like how he never mentioned The Wall to the Mexican president, but it was all he talked about in the days after the meeting. The same with that Michigan pastor, etc. he talks a big game, but when it comes to dealing with those he talks about, he cowers. All he is is talk.

Not a good trait in someone you want representing your country's interests on the global stage.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Currently Trump has no power either; however, he's a cult of personality guy, he can read the sentiments of a crowd. You and others in the crowd putting that out there emboldens guys like him to say it and try to do it.
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So you never quite grasped the idea of how thought /= action. Drumpf isnt getting anything but hate from his crowd.

Here let me break it down for you further...I am not advocating taking away rights from anyone (in fact I advocate for MORE rights for people unlike most on your side) but just because I think we should all have them doesnt mean we all deserve them. What someone deserves is not the same as what they have. A child molester deserves to have his balls cut off and fed to him, he has the right to not have that done to him which supersedes what he deserves.

But sure keep pretending what I said means what you think it does. Maybe that mediocre trollbaiting works at UND but not anywhere civilized :D
 
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walrus said:
The spoiler is, Obamas buddies are making money on it, you hang out with the wrong crowd
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Which buddies would those be? Like, the folks at Halliburton, or something?
 
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rufus said:
I dvr'd the debate, which I haven't watched yet, but caught the first 45 minutes or so live. For what its worth, I could really see Trump's appeal to the electorate, with his attacks on do-nothing government, bad trade agreements, wasteful spending, jobs going to Mexico, etc.
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Except EVERY candidate decries a do-nothing government, bad trade agreements, wasteful spending and jobs going anywhere offshore. And why shouldn't they? Whether you're left or right or Democratic or Republican, those are things you say you'll put a stop to. Other candidates have attempted a populist campaign, which if I stretch my generosity to limits it is not known to go to I can perhaps describe as Trump's m.o., yet they do not stay in the race until the final days, which Trump will do. Trump is appealing to a far more ugly vibe. The things you mention are not ugly at all, but legitimate campaign topics. The only reason Trump has an electoral pulse is because people who think like the stars of Duck Dynasty are simply a lot more prevalent than makes open minded people comfortable. There is 1000 times more hate and bigotry in every corner of this country than even I would have believed a year ago.
 
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French Rage said:
Lol: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark
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Hand every Trump supporter definitive evidence that this is a fake story from a fake newspaper and the response will still be that they believe it. Plant any seed of negativity about Clinton in the mind of a Trump supporter and they will believe it. Frankly I am surprised Trump has not flat out accused Hillary of all sorts of things. He stands to lose nothing and it will only serve to solidify his support. Rover is correct when he says the only way he can win is to ensure huge turnout among those who profess support for him at the same time democratic turnout falls below historical norms, so Trump would seem to have little to lose by saying Clinton was actually the shooter at the South Carolina church last year as a way to gin up support for gun control.

Yes, I honestly believe Trump supporters are that intellectually vacant.
 
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French Rage said:
Lol: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark
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From the article:

Yes, turns out the Baltimore Gazette is just one more in an increasingly baffling array of “parody” news sites that swap the humor of The Onion with the crackpottery of your great-uncle’s emails, all while dressing up their wares with as close an approximation to real news as they can muster.
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I'm glad somebody else has noticed how these things are blurring together. There used to be niche sites with particularized business models: parody sites making with the funny, FlagDude's entire catalog making "buy gold stock" money off the rubes, and flashy, clickbait sites mostly concentrating on scare stories or celeb gossip.

Now there are tons of sites that just combine all of that and overlap even at the story level. There are stories I have seen where it is impossible to put them into either the parody, Echo Chamber, or clickbait category -- they are "both all and none."

Until recently it was fairly easy to spot them because they were obviously farming content from other places and what original material there was was lame and full of typos and other mistakes. But they are evolving and getting better and stronger. Soon it's going to be hard to distinguish them.

FNC and Hate Radio mixed RWNJ and news, and CNN mixed gossip and news, and TDS mixed comedy and news, but those all had fairly rigid scope even if their more naive viewers didn't know that. But these sites have no targeting or niche at all. I wonder if anybody actually visits them regularly, or if they survive as sort of bottom feeder fish, grabbing up stories and getting fat when they go viral, then floating in the murky, sh-t stained eddies of the internet until the next story.

Modernity is weird.
 
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This political ad is moving. Some day I hope to understand how anyone can claim to be a patriot and still support Trump. I guess it's like advanced math. My mind just isn't made to understand I guess.

ETA Keep in mind too, POWs in Germany were treated relatively well when compared to what POWs in the Asian theater experienced, or what POWs in Viet Nam experienced. The pain in this man's eyes is haunting, 70 years later. Eff Trump. Hell ain't bad enough for him.
 
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trixR4kids said:
It's incredible that elected officials who are supposed to be smarter than the average citizen are Internet illiterate. Not to mention horrible at basic fact checking.
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Congress is your crazy great-uncle. They're old and completely disassociated from the real world. The median age in the Senate is 65. 25 are over 70. 14 are over 75. 13 are older than Bernie Sanders.

The Senate is a snapshot of the America Trump wants to go back to: white, male, Christian and out of touch. The country has moved on, our ruling class has not.
 
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Kepler said:
From the article:



I'm glad somebody else has noticed how these things are blurring together. There used to be niche sites with particularized business models: parody sites making with the funny, FlagDude's entire catalog making "buy gold stock" money off the rubes, and flashy, clickbait sites mostly concentrating on scare stories or celeb gossip.

Now there are tons of sites that just combine all of that and overlap even at the story level. There are stories I have seen where it is impossible to put them into either the parody, Echo Chamber, or clickbait category -- they are "both all and none."

Until recently it was fairly easy to spot them because they were obviously farming content from other places and what original material there was was lame and full of typos and other mistakes. But they are evolving and getting better and stronger. Soon it's going to be hard to distinguish them.

FNC and Hate Radio mixed RWNJ and news, and CNN mixed gossip and news, and TDS mixed comedy and news, but those all had fairly rigid scope even if their more naive viewers didn't know that. But these sites have no targeting or niche at all. I wonder if anybody actually read them regularly, or if they survive as sort of bottom feeder fish, grabbing up stories and getting fat when they go viral, then just moving to the next story.

Modernity is weird.
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I can say what you said with just one click. ;)
 
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WeAreNDHockey said:
This political ad is moving. Some day I hope to understand how anyone can claim to be a patriot and still support Trump. I guess it's like advanced math. My mind just isn't made to understand I guess.

ETA Keep in mind too, POWs in Germany were treated relatively well when compared to what POWs in the Asian theater experienced, or what POWs in Viet Nam experienced. The pain in this man's eyes is haunting, 70 years later. Eff Trump. Hell ain't bad enough for him.
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The first comment that appears for me on that video calls him "Mango Mussolini." Hah! :D
 
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St. Clown said:
The first comment that appears for me on that video calls him "Mango Mussolini." Hah! :D
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My wife prefers Cinnamon Hitler.

Here is an incomplete list: (bold for the better ones)

Agent Orange — Anonymous
America's Burst Appendix — Samantha Bee
Art Deal and Mr. "Art of the Deal" — Donald Trump (taken from the title of his 1987 book, which he considers to be second only to the Bible)
*****hole
Baby Fingers Trump
Baldfaced Crier
John Baron — Donald Trump (a pseudonym he used to brag about his exploits in the third person)
Barrel-Shouting Meatball Donald Trump — Chris Hardwick
The Big Cheeto
Big Donald — (Marco Rubio, revised to Pig Donald by feminists)
Birther Maniac
Blowhard
Bratman — Michael R. Burch
Bribe of Chucky
The Bouffant Buffoon — Michael R. Burch
Bumbledore
The Bush Basher
The Bush Master
Cancer in a Wig — Trevor Noah
Captain Bluster
Captain Chaos — NBC News
Captain Crunch
Captain Outrageous — Michael R. Burch, a pun on Captain Courageous
The Chaos Candidate — Jeb Bush
Cheez Whiz — John Oliver
Cheeto-Dusted Bloviator — jezebel.com
Chicken Donald — Martin O'Malley
Chickenhawk — Because he's a coward who portrays himself as a war hawk
Clown Prince of Politics
Comedy Entrapment — Jon Stewart
Commander-in-Grief
Conspiracy Commander-in-Chief
Con-Dike Goldrush
Corn Husk Doll Cursed by a Witch Donald Trump — Chris Hardwick
The Cowardly Lyin'
Crybaby Prima Donald
Daddy Warbucks
The Dainty Donald
Damien Trump
**** Turd Pol — anagram
Darth Hater
Darth taxeVader — Michael R. Burch
DDT
The Debate Hater
Der Trumpkopf
Dingbat Donald
Dire Abby (a pun on "Dear Abby" because Trump frequently tweets relationship advice to other people)
The Disruptor
The Dick Tater
DJT
The Don
Don Dementia
The Donald — Ivana Trump (she first used the term in a 1989 Spy Magazine cover story)
Donald deGonad
Donald the Deadbeat — Dan Rather
Donald Dingbat
Donald Dip****
Donald Dodo — as in the famously stupid dodo bird
The Donaldmeister
Donald Doom
The Donimator
Donald Duck
Donald Duck Doo-Doo
Donald Ducknuke
Donald Dump
Donald Gonad
Donald the Menace
Donny — SNL's Church Lady (Dana Carvey)
Donnybaby
Donnyboy
Donnybrook
Dumbelldore
Dumbo — Grace Taylor
The Dumpster (pun on Trumpster and the "Dump Trump" slogan)
Dump Tump — Grace Taylor
Ego Maniac
The Emperor with no Balls (on naked statues of Trump)
The Emperor with no Clothes
Itty Bitty Ball Trump
Fascist Carnival Barker — Martin O'Malley
Feral Shouting Meatball Donald Trump — Chris Hardwick
Field Marshall Trump
Fifth Avenue Freeze-Out (for trying to deny disabled vets the right to street vend on Fifth Avenue)
The Fomentor — Trevor Noah
The Fomentalist
Forrest Trump
Fragile Soul — Ted Cruz
The Frontrunner
****face von Clownstick — Jon Stewart
The Germinator (Trump hates to shake hands, fearing germs)
Genghis Cant — Because he can't rule the world, making his promises mere cant
Gentle Donald — Ted Cruz
The Greatest Charlatan (of them all) — Brent Bozell
God — Jay Leno
Golden Wrecking Ball — Sarah Palin
The GOP's Unhinged Front-Runner — Robert Schlesinger, managing editor for opinion at U.S. News & World Report
Government Expander — Glen Beck
Gossamer-Skinned Bully — Graydon Carter
Grandpa ****o — Kyle Bunch
The Grand Wizard of Snatching Defeat from the Jaws of Victory — Murfster35 on DailyKos
Great Orange Hairball of Fear — Michael R. Burch
Hair Furor (pun on Herr Fuhrer)
Hair Hitler (pun on Herr Hitler)
Head Twit
Herr Führer Trump — Michael R. Burch
Herr Trump
The Human Amplifier
The Human Combover
The Human Corncob — Erin L. Cody
The Human Bullhorn — Jim Newell, in Slate
Humble — Donald Trump's ironic choice when asked to provide a Secret Service codename
Humble Cow Pie — because he's full of **** about being "humble"
Hurricane Donald ― Jeff Singer
The im-POTUS
Immigrant-Bashing Carnival Barker — TIME Magazine, quoting presidential candidate Martin O'Malley
In-Vet-Irate Liar (for claiming to "support" vets while trying to sweep them off the streets)
John Baron — Donald Trump (a pseudonym)
John Boehner's Tanning Partner in Crime — Michael R. Burch
Job Security (for Comedians) ― Jimmy Kimmel
Kelly's Zero (pun on [Megyn] Kelly's Heroes)
Killer Klown from Outer Space (the title of a "b" movie)
King of the Oompa Loompas ― Justin Baragona
King of Sleaze
King of Spin
King of the Whoppers — USA Today, Christmas Day, 2015
King Trump
King Tut — Because his insults make billions of people go "Tut, tut, tut!"
King Twit
Liberal Lip
Liberal Wannabe Strongman — David McIntosh
Little Donnie Sissypants
Lord Dampnut — anagram
Lord Voldemort — Rosie O'Donnell
Man-Baby — Jon Stewart
Master Debater
Mein Furor — Murfster35 on DailyKos
The Michelangelo of Ballyhoo — TIME by David Von Drehle in his cover article on Trump
Mogul (his Secret Service code name)
Mr. "Art of the Deal" — Donald Trump (taken from the title of his 1987 book)
Mr. Chickenhawk — Because he's a coward who portrays himself as a war hawk
Mr. Firepants
Mr. Inappropriate
Mr. Boinker Oinker
Mr. Macho — Bernie Sanders (who perhaps gave the lily-livered draft dodger too much credit)
Mr. Wiggy Piggy (because he's such a male chauvinist pig)
Mussolini's Taint — Kyle Bunch
Narcissistic Human Airhorn, Donald Trump — Chris Hardwick
The New Furor (pun on Führer)
New York Dork
New York Pork Dork
No More Donald — Elizabeth Warren, in a tweet
The Only Plausible GOP Nominee — Bustle
Orange Clown
Orange Julius — A pun on the fruit drink chain (emphasis on fruit) and Julius Caesar
Orange Man
OranguTAN
Panda Hair — Elizabeth Harris Burch
Pander Hair — Elizabeth Harris Burch
Peripatetic Political Showman — The Fiscal Times
Pig Donald — a variation of Big Donald, coined by Marco Rubio
Poor Donald — Hillary Clinton
Poster Child of American Decline — Robert Spencer
Puffed Up Daddy
Prima Donald
Putin's Pet
Queens' Reich (Trump hails from Queens NY, and sounds like the second coming of the Third Reich)
Queer Orangutan
Rabble-Rousing Demagogue — John Cassidy in The New Yorker
Ronald McDonald Trump-Bozo — Michael R. Burch
Sack of Gilded Lunchmeat — Kyle Bunch
Screaming Carrot Demon — Samantha Bee
Scrooge Grinch McGrump — Michael R. Burch (first used Christmas Eve, 2015)
****ler
Snake Oil Salesman — Rosie O'Donnell
Sociopathic 70-Year-Old Toddler — Samantha Bee
Stubby Fingers Trump
Stuporman — since Trump's superpower is putting people to sleep and making them dream that he has magical superpowers
Tan Dump Lord — anagram
Tangello Fruit Roll-Up Stretched Over Cat Litter Donald Trump — Chris Hardwick
Tangerine-Tinted Trash-Can Fire — Samantha Bee
Tangerine Tornado — SNL's Church Lady (Dana Carvey)
Tepid Trumpeter
TelePrompTer Trump — Mark Sumner
The Spin King
The Spinster and The Sinister Spinster — Michael R. Burch
The Teflon Don — Michael R. Burch
Tie-Coon (because his menswear line includes ties)
Timid Trumpster
The Tiny Fisted Emperor — Murfster35 on DailyKos
Tiny Hands Trump
Tricky Trump
Tricky Don Trump (after Tricky Dick Nixon)
T-Rump
Trumptastrophe — Chris McKay
Trump Card
Trumpdozer — TIME Magazine
Trump of Doom — Michael R. Burch (first used in a Facebook post on September 11, 2015)
Trumpling Dildo
Trumpelthinskin — Murfster35 on DailyKos
Trumpenstein — Murfster35 on DailyKos
Trumpmeister
Trumpthechumps
Trumpletoes
Trumpster
Trumpinator — Soopermexican
Trumpamaniac
Trumpledore
Trumpenstein
Trumplestiltskin
Trumpalump
Trump the Grump
The Tufted Taliban
Twitter Flitter
Twitter Spitter
The Twitter Terror — Michael R. Burch
Two-Bit Caesar — Bill Kristol
UNA (Unrepentant Narcissistic *******) — Jon Stewart
The UNA Bomber
Unreality King
Vanilla Isis
Venom-Drenched Regurgitated Slimy Orange Hairball — Michael R. Burch
Vet Evictor (for staging a benefit for veterans after trying to sweep disabled vets from New York City streets for more than a decade)
Voldemort ― Rosie O'Donnell
Walking Punchline
Walking Talking Human Combover — Michael R. Burch
Weak Donald — Trevor Noah
The Wedgie from West Palm — Kyle Bunch
The White Kanye ― Bill Maher
The Winning Whiner
World's Greatest Troll — FiveThirtyEight Politics
Xenophobic Sweet Potato Donald Trump — Chris Hardwick
YUGE *******
YUGE Liar
Zen Master of Hate

and of course:

Short-fingered Vulgarian
 
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