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Campaign 2016 Part XIX: Escape from the Planet of Debates

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The Sicatoka said:
I have it:

Trump: Eleventy-billion
Clinton: Two
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That sounds about right. Politifact ranked 13% of Hillary's statements as "pants on fire." And 53% of Trump's.

If one candidate lies more than the other, pointing that out is not "bias" or "editorial journalism." It's just fact. As much as the Echo Chamber has normalized lying and having your own facts as the modus operandi of the far right for the last twenty years, they haven't affected the structure of reality. Fox proved that if you tell a lie that your audience believes then your audience will then use the lie itself as "proof" of its preconceptions. But outside the RWNJ nothing was changed, and truth still means what it means.

The full measure of the monstrosity of the GOP nominee is that Hillary Clinton is far and away the most honest of the two candidates.
 
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Regarding the lying. Just remember. It's raining raisins (John Oliver reference).

https://www.yahoo.com/news/john-oliver-thinks-f-ing-144814010.html


"The point is, this campaign has been dominated by scandals, but it is dangerous to think there's an equal number on both sides," Oliver said. "And you can be irritated by some of Hillary's. That is understandable. But you should then be f---ing outraged by Trump's."
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I have often thought of this now nearly 20 year old passage by Christopher Hitchens while reading this thread and following this campaign. I won't attempt more context than that:

The privatized and privateering class of spin doctors, advisers, consultants, fundraisers, and reputation mongers displays a weird combination of cynicism and naiveté. It knows better than anyone else what the candidates and parties are really like. But it is compelled, when disgust or alarm reaches a certain pitch, to act as if only a member of the "other" faction could stoop so low. This falsity and cheapness has now reached a point where, palpable as it is even to half indifferent readers and viewers, it may have become invisible to the participants themselves. Not long ago in this magazine David Brooks mapped a political sociology elaborating on the notion that the country was in theory divisible between heartland "red" districts and more coastal "blue" ones, the colors showing (rather counterintuitively, perhaps) a respective difference between Republican and Democratic areas. Soon afterward one of Bill Clinton's reliable yes-men, Paul Begala, issued a response, asserting that it was in "red" districts that gay men like Matthew Shepard were lynched, or black men like James Byrd were dragged behind pickup trucks until they died.

If this meant anything, it meant that the difference between a donkey and an elephant was the difference between democracy and fascism, or between pluralism and absolutism. But just wait for the good people's party to be caught doing something shady or vile; at once you will be told that it's no worse than what the bad people's party would do or has done. Immediately, in other words, the apologist will admit that the game is up, and that he is judging his own team by a standard (of ghastliness in others) that he himself helped to set. "They all do it" means, in this circle, "We all do it." But the apologist won't concede this consciously or honestly. Faced with the task of explaining the Clinton pardons, including one to Marc Rich, Sidney Blumenthal, a former senior Clinton adviser and friend of Dick Morris's, immediately responds, in The Clinton Wars, that Richard Nixon pardoned Jimmy Hoffa; and as for the $190,000 in gifts accumulated by the Clintons, it was "roughly the same amount as the preceding Bushes had accepted." Since he elsewhere accuses the Republican Party of being essentially lawless and segregationist, he might admit that he's setting himself a low standard. But he doesn't get the joke. And of course by the time he makes the accusation he has joined the ranks of the unlucky political-consultant high-flyers—the ones who have hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal bills to pay off. This frequent misfortune often entails the writing of a long and turgid and self-justifying book, in return for a completely ridiculous publisher's advance.
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Fairly, it should be said that Hitchens held the Clintons in utter contempt. I have also often wondered if he is somewhere up there, looking down upon Mrs. Clinton's new ascendancy, which of those two facts cause him more consternation.
 
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Four on a match.

A vendor at the Bloomsburg Fair in central Pennsylvania displayed a "Donald Trump - Make America Great Again" flag adjacent to a replica of the Hitler Youth Flag. A photo of the display was published widely on social media this weekend.

The vendor also displayed the Confederate flag along with a bumper sticker that said "AIDS cures f*gs."
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In case anyone plans to "have a few" and wants to watch a bunch of Clinton-donor cheerleaders, I hear Infowars is doing a live cast of the debate. Something tells me it will be littered with commentary from Mr. Nascent Iodine himself...
 
FlagDUDE08 said:
Here, I'll just put up what they'll report:

Trump 97
Rodham 0
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Hillary will have a few. They will be vastly outnumbered by nonsense out of Trump, and I don't think anyone will be surprised by it. Trumps supporters likely won't care and claim that it's just a "bias" when people point out Herr Drumpf's faults.
 
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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
Hillary will have a few. They will be vastly outnumbered by nonsense out of Trump, and I don't think anyone will be surprised by it. Trumps supporters likely won't care and claim that it's just a "bias" when people point out Herr Drumpf's faults.
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Watch the John Oliver bit from last night. Hillary's lies are 10 raisins in a raisin cookie. Trump's lies are a sea of raisins falling from the sky and covering his desk.
 
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Oh, and for the debate, I'm planning on getting drunk and providing MST3K commentary.
 
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