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Campaign 2016 Part XIX: Escape from the Planet of Debates

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The Sicatoka said:
I've driven a Jaguar with it. I hated it. I shut it off. It unnerved me; when I'm stopped at a light I want to know the engine is running, not wonder if it's going to start when I need it to. (PS - Jaguar has release brake or turn the wheel to start.)

And I have my doubts about wanting the engine off when it's -5 F (or -25 F or +105 F).
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The Malibu won't let you turn that feature off (my only complaint with the car).

If the heat/AC is working hard, the engine won't turn off. I can only think of two times it did that last winter. And maybe a half dozen times this summer, but that was because I had the AC set to eco mode so the car would start/stop. Never did it stop when the AC was blowing normally.


GM had one feature in the Eco model the year prior to my car (my Malibu is the normal edition) where the start/stop battery could jump start the regular car battery if the regular battery died. I wish that was a standard feature. (Yes, my car has two batteries.)
 
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aparch said:
The Malibu won't let you turn that feature off (my only complaint with the car).
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Next model year the Jags won't have an off switch for it either is what I've been told.

I thought the old logic was stopping/starting the engine takes more gas than letting it idle? Is that wrong in the world of advanced EFI, but correct in a carbureted world?
 
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I wonder if I wrote Trump a letter stating that I too would like to be an entrepreneur like him, if he would float me a 6.2 Million Dollar loan just like he got from his father (1 Mil/1970 adjusted for inflation). Lots of property I could buy, flip, and rent in Chicagoland with that kind of assistance.


I can't believe this personified milk bag is this close to being the leader of the free world, and it blows my mind that he's so engrained himself as a simpleton that he's hooked such a large percentage of suckers.


My post from earlier is true. Trump is selling us a Monorail, and the morons are lining up to buy it.
 
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aparch said:
Bentley, BMW, Fiat, Ford, GM, Hyundai, Honda, Jaguar, Kia, Land Rover, Mazda, Toyota, VW, and other European branded cars all are now including Auto Stop/Start technology that stops the engine when it detects it's idling/stopped while the gear is in drive. Release the brake, and the engine starts right back up.

I have it in my Malibu, and I love it. Easily stretches my fuel economy when in city stop-and-go traffic.


And congestion isn't some vast conspiracy from Big Oil, it's the result of zero infrastructure/transportation money being spent. But hey, let's keep pi**ing money away on the F35.
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Turning on and off sounds like it'd waste a lot more gas because of the amount needed to even start the engine.

You could also maximize the infrastructure that already exists. How about traffic signal timings, when they're on/off, if they should exist, because that's a lot of the congestion. You have to be careful with adding more lanes because of the concepts of merging, though.
 
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Bloomberg TV to fact check the debate live during broadcast:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-me...o-fact-check-debate-on-screen-228670?cmpid=sf

Bloomberg TV will conduct on-screen fact checks of statements made by both Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton during Monday night’s debate, POLITICO has confirmed.
The channel’s decision to conduct an on-screen fact-check sets Bloomberg apart from the other major TV networks, none of whom have committed to doing on-screen fact checks during the debate. Most will leave the fact-checking to segments in the post-debate analysis coverage.
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I do hope it's Pop Up Video style.
 
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Turning on and off sounds like it'd waste a lot more gas because of the amount needed to even start the engine.
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Surprisingly, studies have shown a significant fuel savings IF the engine sits off at lights/traffic for 10 seconds or longer.

My Malibu actually gets better fuel mileage than the ECO model with the smaller engine.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
I hope it's more like tug-of-war style where they stack up or count the number of lies and half-lies they tell. Put that on screen so we have a running count. Sort of like a scoreboard for a sporting event.
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Here, I'll just put up what they'll report:

Trump 97
Rodham 0
 
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aparch said:
Surprisingly, studies have shown a significant fuel savings IF the engine sits off at lights/traffic for 10 seconds or longer.

My Malibu actually gets better fuel mileage than the ECO model with the smaller engine.
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I can understand the fuel mileage because a smaller engine has to work harder to run what is a relatively large sedan. I still find it funny they insist on throwing V4s into SUVs. Terrible.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Cronyism at its finest. http://observer.com/2016/09/the-fbi-investigation-of-emailgate-was-a-sham/
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The reason they granted immunity to anybody and everybody below Hillary was because the whole point of the exercise was a witch hunt to get Hillary. This is basically just whining that they went for it on fourth and long rather than punting.

I would think a former NSA analyst that bemoans partisan politics would spend more time on how his former employer actually did get hacked, rather than how Hillary's email server maybe coulda/woulda/shoulda, but ultimately didn't get hacked. But that's me.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Next model year the Jags won't have an off switch for it either is what I've been told.

I thought the old logic was stopping/starting the engine takes more gas than letting it idle? Is that wrong in the world of advanced EFI, but correct in a carbureted world?
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I thought starting and stopping an engine created more wear and tear on them. Has that now changed with the advancements in lubrications? What about the starter motor, how long are those expected to last in a city car with such a feature these days?
 
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St. Clown said:
I thought starting and stopping an engine created more wear and tear on them. Has that now changed with the advancements in lubrications? What about the starter motor, how long are those expected to last in a city car with such a feature these days?
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Either that, or they have a sort of "standby" state, sort of like when you "turn off" modern electronics: If they're still plugged in, then they're not actually "off", they're just in a "standby" state. The only way to turn it "off" is to unplug it. HUGE boon for the power companies with all that power unknowingly wasted.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Either that, or they have a sort of "standby" state, sort of like when you "turn off" modern electronics: If they're still plugged in, then they're not actually "off", they're just in a "standby" state. The only way to turn it "off" is to unplug it. HUGE boon for the power companies with all that power unknowingly wasted.
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A standby status wouldn't apply for a combustion engine. Either it's cycling or it's not. If it's not, then it has to be restarted, which would require the starter motor to engage, or some sort of "clutch jumping" process, which could then only be achieved with a hybrid vehicle.
 
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I just can't imagine the starting and stopping is good even for a gasoline engine. All of my engineering instincts tell me that steady state is better than the dynamics of startup and shutdown.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Either that, or they have a sort of "standby" state, sort of like when you "turn off" modern electronics: If they're still plugged in, then they're not actually "off", they're just in a "standby" state. The only way to turn it "off" is to unplug it. HUGE boon for the power companies with all that power unknowingly wasted.
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I once was talking to an engineer who was working on ways to determine whether a television was on or off. I said "Huh? Can't you just tell if it's drawing power?" He said that some TVs actually draw more power in an "off" state than others do in an "on" state.
 
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aparch said:
Surprisingly, studies have shown a significant fuel savings IF the engine sits off at lights/traffic for 10 seconds or longer.

My Malibu actually gets better fuel mileage than the ECO model with the smaller engine.
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They better put in much stronger starters and batteries because they're gonna be hit more often than a Bill Clinton intern. (C'mon, it's the politics thread. :) )
 
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