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Campaign 2016 Part XIII: Clinton destrueretur est. Trump est destruetur. Vox Populi!

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One of the things I've read is Trump wasn't happy with some jabs Obama threw at him at a WH correspondents dinner a few years ago. You know, cause he doesn't have thin skin. That too probably played a role in his decision making to launch a run for president.
 
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Trump is a salesman. He's a good one too. Sales people convince you to buy stuff you don't actually need. He's assessed his market using not much more than instinct and an ability to read people and decided that maximizing old white guy anger at "losing our country" is the ONLY way for a Republican to win a Presidential election. He's 100% correct in that assessment. He's just more open about appealing to it. Really, if Goopers were SOOOOOO offended by Trump, how come no elected official with the exception of MD's governor to my knowledge has come out and said they absolutely will not vote for him? "I won't talk about him" = a BS wuss out. Come out against him or you own him.

So, what's next for Trump? Win, lose or draw...a business deal! http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/06/donald-trump-tv-network

He could put Fox out of business! :eek:
 
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A cautionary tale to you all from North Dakota:

The ND GOP endorsed the machine candidate (the current AG) for governor at the convention. An upstart Fargo businessman (and multi-millionaire thanks to MSFT buying out his little accounting software firm) ran against him anyway in the Republican primary this week.

The upstart ran against "the good old boys"; he ran against the establishment's choice. This upstart was down 50 points in the polling in January (yeah, 60-10). But he spent a ton of personal wealth on the campaign.

And the upstart ran a campaign never seen before in ND. He took some good shots, some bad shots, and some cheap shots, at the establishment and its candidate. The upstart had a personality that would be easy to not like: a lot of ego, questionable use of some public grant dollars and tax reliefs. Some called it the worst campaign in ND history. And the most expensive for both sides.

And this upstart? We really truly don't know where he stands on the issues. During the campaign it was "excessive spending by the good old boys in the Legislature". Literally, yesterday, the day after the election he was talking about how the Legislature had done such smart spending hinting at his plans to spend like the last group. And they never could get a straight answer out of him on certain issues where the history shows he may have flip-flop-flop-flipped a couple times.

Tuesday ND spoke. Yeah, there were a lot of cross-over Dems; but, ND kicked out the machine's sure-win no-brainer candidate for the ego driven multimillionaire*.

Contextually, there are a lot of parallels to the Presidential race.

Beware of what people say versus what the do in that booth.



*The upstart will be governor because ND Dems have nothing in response come November.
 
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As North Dakota goes, so goes the nation!?! :eek: :D
 
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The Sicatoka said:
A cautionary tale to you all from North Dakota:

The ND GOP endorsed the machine candidate (the current AG) for governor at the convention. An upstart Fargo businessman (and multi-millionaire thanks to MSFT buying out his little accounting software firm) ran against him anyway in the Republican primary this week.

The upstart ran against "the good old boys"; he ran against the establishment's choice. This upstart was down 50 points in the polling in January (yeah, 60-10). But he spent a ton of personal wealth on the campaign.

And the upstart ran a campaign never seen before in ND. He took some good shots, some bad shots, and some cheap shots, at the establishment and its candidate. The upstart had a personality that would be easy to not like: a lot of ego, questionable use of some public grant dollars and tax reliefs. Some called it the worst campaign in ND history. And the most expensive for both sides.

And this upstart? We really truly don't know where he stands on the issues. During the campaign it was "excessive spending by the good old boys in the Legislature". Literally, yesterday, the day after the election he was talking about how the Legislature had done such smart spending hinting at his plans to spend like the last group. And they never could get a straight answer out of him on certain issues where the history shows he may have flip-flop-flop-flipped a couple times.

Tuesday ND spoke. Yeah, there were a lot of cross-over Dems; but, ND kicked out the machine's sure-win no-brainer candidate for the ego driven multimillionaire*.

Contextually, there are a lot of parallels to the Presidential race.

Beware of what people say versus what the do in that booth.



*The upstart will be governor because ND Dems have nothing in response come November.
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Good tale, Sic.

And it illustrates why it's not as interesting trying to understand whichever carnival barker is mouthing off at the moment as it is understanding the consumer/voter who is listening. We know a lot of people are not happy with heir lives, and personal economics plays a significant role in that. But not all. A lot of it is perception, I think, though I have no source to cite as support. There is no question that many are living paycheck to paycheck, but that seems always to have been the case, and while the middle class is shrinking, its members surely do not lack for toys, and they keep taking vacations. I'm not talking about those experiencing inner city poverty, but those are not the ones giving Trump and your ego-driven millionaire their support (except for those living in squalor in Minot).
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Maybe he really does have issues with minorities, maybe he doesn't.
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On that I think he's just 70. Most 70-year old white people are still racist as all hell, even if it's passive (I worry about my property value) rather than active (get the firehoses). They grew up when blacks were still Step-and-fetchit and Mexicans were Speedy Gonzales and white supremacy is still in their bones -- to them, racial progress is something white people magnanimously bestowed on minorities. An educated (even if he slept through it) east coast wealthy liberal (what he was before The Change came over him) is still racist if he's born in the 40s. Even the 60s is still pushing it. You're not getting truly race-blind people until 1980s birthdays.

Mixed in, on Mexicans and Asians, is his America First trade and immigration ideology. He's in a fetal position holding the covers over his head and all those folks are threats.

Trump is the world's richest white working class construction worker.
 
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Rogie21 said:
For those struggling to keep up with all the conspiracy theories that Trump spews:
"Trump accuses DNC of 'hacking' its own oppo research on him"
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/donald-trump-opposition-224397

And now "many people" are tweeting about the effects of that hair spray on brain cells.:rolleyes:
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I like the concerted effort by the Dems, and aided by Trump himself, to implant in the public consciousness that Trump is a dangerous lunatic. Now every statement he utters will be evaluated with that firmly in mind. Also saw that Hillary will have the airwaves practically to herself for the next couple of months to hammer the p!ss out of him leading up to and coming out of the dinosaur fest that is the GOP national convention.
 
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Kepler said:
On that I think he's just 70. Most 70-year old white people are still racist as all hell, even if it's passive (I worry about my property value) rather than active (get the firehoses). They grew up when blacks were still Step-and-fetchit and Mexicans were Speedy Gonzales and white supremacy is still in their bones -- to them, racial progress is something white people magnanimously bestow on The Other. An educated (even if he slept through it) east coast wealthy liberal (what he was before The Change came over him) is still racist if he's born in the 40s. Even the 60s is still pushing it. You're not getting truly race-blind people until 1980s birthdays.

Mixed in, on Mexicans and Asians, is his America First trade and immigration ideology. He's in a fetal position holding the covers over his head so all those folks are threats.

Trump is the world's richest white working class construction worker.
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True. Some friends and I, all of whom have children in their 20s, were discussing that recently. None of our kids care a lick about race, ethnicity or sexual preference. And this is not just a symptom of apathy or ambivalence--these particular kids are engaged young adults who have opinions. They just don't organize the pieces using those descriptors.
 
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Rover said:
I like the concerted effort by the Dems, and aided by Trump himself, to implant in the public consciousness that Trump is a dangerous lunatic. Now every statement he utters will be evaluated with that firmly in mind.
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There's still about a third of the electorate who don't see it that way at all. They think Trump is just "telling it like it is" and eschewing "political correctness."
 
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Kepler said:
This sounds a little like Le Page.

Actually, North Dakota sounds a lot like Maine.
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Conservative, Republican-dominated, mainly rural, gateway to the vast expanse called Canada, states that grow potatoes in the farming regions?

The difference? Maine got all our trees. (And I'm lookin' at you, walrus. :D )
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Conservative, Republican-dominated, mainly rural, gateway to the vast expanse called Canada, states that grow potatoes in the farming regions?

The difference? Maine got all our trees. (And I'm lookin' at you, walrus. :D )
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That's only fair: NoDak got all the smart, good looking people.
 
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Kepler said:
This sounds a little like Le Page.

Actually, North Dakota sounds a lot like Maine.
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It's nothing like Le Page.

The endorsed candidate was a long time politician named Wayne Stenehjem. Stenehjem has the personality of a wet roll of paper towels. He's also the guy who basically got his butt kicked in the UND mascot fight with the NCAA. Furthermore, North Dakotans have a history of rejecting Attorneys General who try to seek higher office.

Doug Burgum, the "upstart businessman" is extremely talented and is largely credited with terrific growth in the Fargo area, the largest metropolitan area of the state. The guy is smart, and he is rich. He is not Donald Trump or Le Page.

Finally, you also had a huge referendum vote on some legislation that the establishment, Republican-controlled legislature passed that relaxed the law on "corporate farming", a hot button issue in small, rural states. A petition drive lead to a referendum on that issue, and the law was soundly rejected by the voters, demonstrating that there was already some animosity towards the Republican establishment that came out to vote in that primary.
 
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