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Campaign 2016 Part XII: What Have We Done To Deserve This?

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Handyman said:
Exactly! Remember when Trump went on Faux after Obama got elected talking about "his operatives in Hawaii" and how "they are hearing and finding things about Obama that we wouldnt believe!!!11!!1"? Trump is everything the modern GOP stands for since about 1998.
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Does anybody believe Trump now when he says "I heard" or "I have the best people" or "there are revelations that"? Isn't it obvious to everyone that Trump is just making all of that up -- that there are no rumors, he had no people, there are no revelations, but that by stating them he brings them into being? Trump is the ultimate bar stool blowhard -- he "knows things" or "knows people". The other regulars roll their eyes. That's just Donald, starting his act.
 
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Handyman said:
Yes lets waste more time on the ACA...Congress isnt doing enough of that we should get the Executive involved as well. Party of small Government indeed :rolleyes:
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How are your premiums doing? They were promised to go down, you know. Were you able to keep your own doctor? You were promised you could. Were you able to keep the same plan as you had prior to PPACA? You were promised you would.

Yeah, I'd hammer it as an example of federal government overreach.

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unofan - do the robots also include the ones that will (may) replace the $15 / hr fast food worker? Legislatures keep forgetting the Law of Unintended Consequences when catering to the masses.
 
Kepler said:
Does anybody believe Trump now when he says "I heard" or "I have the best people" or "there are revelations that"? Isn't it obvious to everyone that Trump is just making all of that up -- that there are no rumors, he had no people, there are no revelations, but that by stating them he brings them into being? Trump is the ultimate bar stool blowhard -- he "knows things" or "knows people". The other regulars roll their eyes. That's just Donald, starting his act.
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And yet he is now the Republican nominee. Which means a sizeable plurality of the party heard is blowhard comments and thought, "yep, that's who best represents me."
 
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Handyman said:
Exactly! Remember when Trump went on Faux after Obama got elected talking about "his operatives in Hawaii" and how "they are hearing and finding things about Obama that we wouldnt believe!!!11!!1"? Trump is everything the modern GOP stands for since about 1998.
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When Handy starts making sense, you know we're onto something!

Southern Strategy + Welfare Queens + Willie Horton ads = Trump eventually. The difference is the moderates like the old Yankee Republicans have left so there's no counterbalance.

I remember 3 years ago the King family did a celebration of the 50th anniversary of the I Have A Dream speech in DC. Not one Republican leader showed up. Not one. This was three freakin years ago, not 1978 we're talking about. It marks about the only time Bill O'Reilly apologized on air for being wrong. He originally assumed no Goopers had been invited, but the family informed him they'd invited a bunch of people - Boner, McConnell, McCain, Romney etc - and they all declined (To his credit he manned up and admitted he made a bad assumption and it was absurd none of them came). You're telling me that's not intentional?

The modern GOP, as it currently constituted, not what it was during Ike's time, is the party of white privilege. It finally has the perfect candidate to represent its views. Lets stop pretending otherwise.
 
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joecct said:
How are your premiums doing? They were promised to go down, you know. Were you able to keep your own doctor? You were promised you could. Were you able to keep the same plan as you had prior to PPACA? You were promised you would.

Yeah, I'd hammer it as an example of federal government overreach.

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unofan - do the robots also include the ones that will (may) replace the $15 / hr fast food worker? Legislatures keep forgetting the Law of Unintended Consequences when catering to the masses.
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$15/hour is a bit of an overreach, but since it only changes every 15 years or so at this point, I'm fine with it. The minimum wage should be at around or just below $11/hour if it had kept up with inflation since the 60s. Think of the extra $4/hr as compensation for underpaying workers for the last 25 years and pre payment for not adjusting it again for another 15 years.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Pendulum over-swing.
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I think of overswing as different because it's a reaction. By going too far I'm talking about the natural tendency for a party in motion to remain in motion until it meets something (the electorate) that stops it.

The GOP started out in the mid 70s moving to the right to open up a distinction with the liberals. Their brand was "fiscal responsibility" and "respect for traditional values." People were freaked out about the economy with the gas crisis, and even though that was the result of a long series of international financial events, the Dems wound up getting that egg on their face with Carter. And of course anger about abortion and the women's movement in general was a license to print money in the sticks.

In addition, the hostage crisis allowed Reagan (who started out not a hawk at all) to cosplay John Wayne, and when that was incredibly popular adopt that as another GOP ornament. Throw in the barely concealed racist appeals to "state's rights" and "law and order" (translation: beat them uppity Negroes back to step and fetch it), gave them a brilliant constellation of self-reinforcing messages which, combined with a terrific salesman, allowed them to take power.

They got such good reinforcement with what they brought to the country (even though it was all bought on credit) that they kept on moving, and eventually they moved well beyond what the country was willing to tolerate but by then a whole generation of movement conservatives had grown up who actually believed in this stuff that had just started out as a marketing campaign. And so they slid election after election until they reached first tragedy (Dubya) and then farce (Palin, Cruz, and finally Trump).
 
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unofan said:
Bullshiat. He's the culmination of the southern strategy and the GOP's kowtowing to the tea party coming home to roost. He is the embodiment of the modern day conservative: a blowhard racist full of machismo yearning for the mythical days of Ward and June Cleaver that only existed in Hollywood fantasy yet couldn't think his way out of a paper bag if he tried.

You guys nominated the spiritual leader of the birther movement as your nominee. That's pure Murika, that's not some pendulum swinging too far. You might as well own it, because the only difference between tDonald and your average republican is he says in public what everyone else was saying in private.
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Can I steal this post? It's a really great indictment of the GOP and their voter base.
 
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XII: What Have We Done To Deserve This?

Wait, WHAT?!

"There’s no reason to raise that," Trump said about raising $1 billion. "I just don’t think I need nearly as much money as other people need because I get so much publicity. I get so many invitations to be on television. I get so many interviews, if I want them."

If you are Pat Toomey or Ron Johnson, your heart just sank. If you are a Republican in a close district, pick your jaw up off the floor. Your party leader just said he won't be spending heavily in your state this fall because he won't be advertising. Or building organizational infrastructure. Or doing data. Or targeting. Or even building a volunteer apparatus. Instead, he's going to phone it in to Fox and Friends.

Facing you is a rapid scaling up of the Clinton campaign ground organization across a dozen states. And a popular incumbent president with the power of the office at his disposal. And a demographic problem that your own candidate has successfully made worse. We aren't even talking about the guns your opponent will be firing at you. If you're Mark Kirk, you just wet your pants. If you're Rob Portman, you're scared sh-tless by remarks like these.

If Trump won't raise or fork over the cash, that means Prince Reebus is on hook. He hasn't got nearly enough resources to compete with a fully built-out presidential campaign. Being on cable news all the time is sufficient for a primary. A general election audience requires you to be on a helluva lot more channels, especially online. Because most viewers barely watch cable news. Hell, many folks today don't even have cable anymore.
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I can't tell you how unhappy this is going to make every Republican inside the Beltway, not to mention about 5k GOP campaign officials throughout about 75% of the districts in this country.

Presumably it's just Donald being Donald meaning utterly ignorant of the consequences of the things he says. But if you wanted to sabotage a party as the presumptive nominee you couldn't say anything more damaging, unless you said "everything I've been talking about is only suggestions and I won't be held to any of it."

Which he said last week.
 
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Kepler said:
Chickens? That's a f-cking turkey vulture the size of an Antonov An-225.
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Trump doing things like that make me want to believe the conspiracy theory that he ran to destroy the Rs and clear the path for Mrs. Clinton. (But I just can't believe that theory; Donald is running for Donald's ego.)
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Trump doing things like that make me want to believe the conspiracy theory that he ran to destroy the Rs and clear the path for Mrs. Clinton. (But I just can't believe that theory; Donald is running for Donald's ego.)
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Maybe it just isn't overt. Maybe this the culmination of inevitability that the GOP has wrought.
 
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joecct said:
How are your premiums doing? They were promised to go down, you know. Were you able to keep your own doctor? You were promised you could. Were you able to keep the same plan as you had prior to PPACA? You were promised you would.

Yeah, I'd hammer it as an example of federal government overreach.

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unofan - do the robots also include the ones that will (may) replace the $15 / hr fast food worker? Legislatures keep forgetting the Law of Unintended Consequences when catering to the masses.
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Mine are fine...

I love that your solution to government overreach is to have the government overreach some more. It would be brilliant if it wasnt so flipping tragic. Its over Johnny.
 
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XII: What Have We Done To Deserve This?

The Sicatoka said:
Trump doing things like that make me want to believe the conspiracy theory that he ran to destroy the Rs and clear the path for Mrs. Clinton. (But I just can't believe that theory; Donald is running for Donald's ego.)
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I want to believe it's performance art. 40 years ago Trump started working for this day. At the convention he'll accept the nomination, then reveal the whole plan, and drop the mic.

America's greatest living satirist.
 
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