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Campaign 2016 Part XII: What Have We Done To Deserve This?

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So, the Right doesn't have a "get out the vote" operation?

Just want to be sure.
 
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rufus said:
So, the Right doesn't have a "get out the vote" operation?

Just want to be sure.
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I think they do. That's why I wrote that the "get out the vote" operations of all political parties is, imho, pathetic.
 
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rufus said:
So, the Right doesn't have a "get out the vote" operation?

Just want to be sure.
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Of course not? Where would it happen? Church? Tax-exempt religious organizations aren't allowed to endorse candidates, so that kind of stuff could never ever happen there.
 
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French Rage said:
Of course not? Where would it happen? Church? Tax-exempt religious organizations aren't allowed to endorse candidates, so that kind of stuff could never ever happen there.
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Get Out the Vote campaigns can happen in a church so long as they're not advocating a specific political agenda or candidate.
 
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St. Clown said:
Get Out the Vote campaigns can happen in a church so long as they're not advocating a specific political agenda or candidate.
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"So I want to see everybody from this fundamentalist Christian congregation at the polls Tuesday, but I'm not suggesting who you vote for. Take it away, pastor." "OK, and on a totally different subject, why if you fail to vote for a pro-life candidate you're going to hell."
 
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Kepler said:
"So I want to see everybody from this fundamentalist Christian congregation at the polls Tuesday, but I'm not suggesting who you vote for. Take it away, pastor." "OK, and on a totally different subject, why if you fail to vote for a pro-life candidate you're going to hell."
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That's the thing though, the politics in churches goes both ways. I know people who explain that their church has a very liberal message rooted in their faith. For whatever reason, we only ever seem to hear about the extremely conservative churches, likely because they're the ones whose members end up on some crusade to picket whatever company/institution they don't like and occasionally shoot 'em up in the name of Christ.
 
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Kepler said:
"So I want to see everybody from this fundamentalist Christian congregation at the polls Tuesday, but I'm not suggesting who you vote for. Take it away, pastor." "OK, and on a totally different subject, why if you fail to vote for a pro-life candidate you're going to hell."
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St. Clown said:
That's the thing though, the politics in churches goes both ways. I know people who explain that their church has a very liberal message rooted in their faith. For whatever reason, we only ever seem to hear about the extremely conservative churches, likely because they're the ones whose members end up on some crusade to picket whatever company/institution they don't like and occasionally shoot 'em up in the name of Christ.
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Many Episcopal and UCoC churches these days are flying the rainbow flag out front. That's not political?
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Many Episcopal and UCoC churches these days are flying the rainbow flag out front. That's not political?
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Depends. Is Interracial marriage political? Is the Civil Rights Act political?

All depends on your definition.
 
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SJHovey said:
I'm not sure I qualify as a righty anywhere other than a USCHO political thread, but I'll give you my reasons, in no particular order:

1. While I think there is an element of laziness in some voters failure to go to the polls, I believe apathy is the much larger cause, and frankly I'm not interested in rewarding apathy with a paid day off of work. If we were seeing 90%+ turnout, and people were waiting in lines for hours to vote and nothing was getting done at the workplace anyway, by all means call a holiday.

2. I think the real push for a paid day off by some, especially on the left, is due to the "get out the vote" cadres they send out each election day. Right now it actually costs them something to do that. People who decide to spend their day laying guilt trips on the apathetic, or even worse, painting horror stories for them if they fail to do their civic duty, have to take a day off of work to do that. It costs them something, and I want it to cost them something because I think the "get out the vote" efforts of all political parties is pathetic. If you are too stupid, too lazy, to apathetic or just too uninformed to know its election day, to understand the consequences of an election or to get your a s s to the polls without someone threatening you or laying a guilt trip on you, then I don't want you to vote. Stupid, uninformed voters make bad choices, and we don't need more bad choices.

3. I think it is just one more piece of the Francification effort of the left in this country. There is nothing the left likes better, or promises more of, than more paid days where you don't work, preferably at higher wages. Lets get a permanent, liberal government installed, controlled by public labor unions, while we all sit around at outdoor cafes drinking our lattes and smoking our Gauloises and talking philosophy and rapturing about the glory days of the Republic, 200 years ago. Sorry, not my vision for the country.

4. I hate mid-week holidays. They screw up my work week. You can't do anything on them. Maybe for lefties the idea of getting up on a Tuesday morning, spending 20 minutes voting, then sitting around jerking off to Ellen is a fine excuse for a day, but I've got work to do. Besides, we already have a mid-week federal holiday less than 10 days later.
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So it shouldnt be a holiday because you hate midweek days off and because only the left talks about it? Gotcha. My lord the talking points are strong with you...even trotting out the French.
 
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Early voting/voting by mail/etc reduces the need for a holiday on election day. However the problem I see is shifting standards during the time leading up to election. Whether early voting is allowed for two weeks or 10 days is kind of a minor point. The state changing the voter ID rules the months before the election is BS IMHO and should be banned (generally courts agree and usually overrule efforts to change the rules during election season).
 
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Rover said:
Early voting/voting by mail/etc reduces the need for a holiday on election day. However the problem I see is shifting standards during the time leading up to election. Whether early voting is allowed for two weeks or 10 days is kind of a minor point. The state changing the voter ID rules the months before the election is BS IMHO and should be banned (generally courts agree and usually overrule efforts to change the rules during election season).
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This could be easily taken care of by writing laws that ensure an intervening election between the passage of a change in election law and it taking effect, much like that nosferatu constitutional amendment about pay that finally passed.
 
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Kepler said:
This could be easily taken care of by writing laws that ensure an intervening election between the passage of a change in election law and it taking effect, much like that nosferatu constitutional amendment about pay that finally passed.
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Agreed. We're overdue for some updated uniform rules governing voting rights and procedures for holding federal elections.
 
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Handyman said:
So the opinion of the Right is that everyone who doesnt vote is too lazy to do so? You realize it is opinions like that which is why most people think you are uncaring right?
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It's not the opinion of all of us on the right, but are you willing to admit that voter apathy and ignorance is rampant across this country?

Handyman said:
But please, explain to me why it would be so bad that everyone have the day off so they can vote! I mean sure it will probably destroy capitalism and force all small businesses to implode (which is what we hear about anything that seems to help the average person) but putting all that aside what is the harm? Why is it such an affront to all of you that we get the day off so we can vote? Please...list some reasons it is so bad. Who does it hurt...
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Creating a holiday would only give a percentage of the population a "day off" to vote. What of first responders, doctors, nurses and other essential service personnel who already have to work on federal holidays? And would the holiday apply to legal non-citizens who are not allowed to vote? Does that discriminate against those of us who, for our own personal reasons, have not become citizens, but pay our taxes without the opportunity to cast a ballot (at least legally).
 
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They can only win when they cheat.

Hopefully that guy winds up turning big rocks into little rocks at Leavenworth.
 
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Kepler said:
They can only win when they cheat.

Hopefully that guy winds up turning big rocks into little rocks at Leavenworth.
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OK, pardon my resident alien non-voting ignorance, but what is "slimy" about having to prove you are a citizen in order to vote? If that's not a requirement, which I believe it always has been, what's stopping me from walking into a polling station, producing my legally obtained SocSec card and demanding a ballot? :confused:
 
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