Campaign 2016 Part XII: What Have We Done To Deserve This?

[Handyman]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XII: What Have We Done To Deserve This?

If you're thinking Toronto, you'd better have one hell of a nest egg. The Wynne Liberals were elected to a majority by the idiots (mostly in downtown TO) and they're continuing to turn the once richest province into Venezuela. Just one of the many reasons I have no desire to move back home.

To be honest I would go Vancouver first as I know people there and used to live in Seattle. I just needed another city for my comment and I aint going to Montreal

 

[Kepler]

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A BIG misunderstanding people make about Trump is applying the lessons of the primary to the general election. Trump won his nomination because he was willing to "go there" and openly appeal to racism and bigotry (amongst other things) with an electorate that by and large is now racist and bigoted (Republicans, that is). Everybody else was either trying to run as a traditional GOP stiff (Jebbers!, Kasich, Christie) or was playing catch-up as Trump lobbed bomb after bomb (Cruz, Rubio, Fiorina).

The general electorate is a lot more diverse and younger than the Old Country Buffet crowd that shows up in GOP primaries. Trump could very well lose the non-white vote 90-10 (this includes Asians which he also has terrible #'s with for whatever reason). He's not going to win women or young voters. There just aren't enough crabby old white guys out there to make up the difference. In short, he's screwed.

With this GOP, attempted repeal of the 15th, 19th and 26th amendments is credible. To prevent, you know, voter fraud.

 

[joecct]

Only if you're using wussy clerical Latin. In he-man work-a-day Latin it's re-GUY*-nuh

* As in LaFleur

Altar Boy and member of St. John the Evangelist RC Church choir. It's Re gee na.

 

[Kepler]

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Altar Boy and member of St. John the Evangelist RC Church choir. It's Re gee na.

I actually find ecclesiastical much more beautiful. But my Latin teacher was a crabby old anabaptist with a hate-on for the Whore of Babylon, so we learned gutturals. YOO-lius χ-czar.

 

[Kepler]

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At least somebody's happy.

 

[rufus]

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This charge is ridiculous and it might stick.



This brings up an opportunity for the Hillaries. 98% of America has no idea how finance or real estate work. But they do know that a bunch of rich NYC scumbags destroyed the economy and were never punished for it. Trump is a rich NYC scumbag.

You play that guilt by association card, white girl!

Not to mention, Drumpf's supposed to be an amazing businessman. Smart, can read the tea leaves, knows how to maximize a situuation for his own good. And yet, he starts a mortgage business in 2006, when anyone with half a brain could see the bubble happening in the housing market.

 

[SteveP]

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I thought Toronto politics was dominated by Tory "take your filthy hands off my real estate" developers? Bloombergian benign neglect? What happened to all the well scrubbed suburbanites who got tired of West Indian immigrant grocers and voted in the Fords to roll up the sidewalks?

That's the problem with TO. Much of the former boroughs lean right, while the rest of the city is full of limo Libs. Even the current mayor, John Tory, ran on a "conservative" platform but has been sliding to the right since taking office.

The provincial Libs under Wynne and McGuinty before her (ze?) have been an absolute train wreck.

 

[mookie1995]

Not to mention, Drumpf's supposed to be an amazing businessman. Smart, can read the tea leaves, knows how to maximize a situuation for his own good. And yet, he starts a mortgage business in 2006, when anyone with half a brain could see the bubble happening in the housing market.

How much did you make shorting the MBS market

 

[Rover]

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You are seeing what you want to see. tD has been running against everyone.
That has appeal. Crossover appeal.

Keep your head in the sand at your own peril my friend

No worries here! I'll be handing out "told ya so's" the day after the election. Make sure you get in line before Scooby or he might end up taking them all.

 

[5mn_Major]

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Or I'll put it another way. Of people here, is there anyone who voted for Obama last time who is voting for Trump in the fall? Is there anyone who voted for Romney who is voting for Hillary in the fall?

Who knows if he was on the level, but I met a guy yesterday who said he was voting for Bernie first and Trump second. Simply put, what does Bernie get out of it? He's not going to be the VP and Hillary's not suddenly going to war on business. It may not make a difference but why should we be happy with Bernie just promoting Bernie for two more months...to the more or less detriment of Democrat presidential aspirations. Why?

 

[joecct]

Who knows if he was on the level, but I met a guy yesterday who said he was voting for Bernie first and Trump second. Simply put, what does Bernie get out of it? He's not going to be the VP and Hillary's not suddenly going to war on business. It may not make a difference but why should we be happy with Bernie just promoting Bernie for two more months...to the more or less detriment of Democrat presidential aspirations. Why?

Watch the platform (and the fight). That will tell you what Bernie will do (or not) in the Fall.

 

[MaizeRage]

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Who knows if he was on the level, but I met a guy yesterday who said he was voting for Bernie first and Trump second. Simply put, what does Bernie get out of it? He's not going to be the VP and Hillary's not suddenly going to war on business. It may not make a difference but why should we be happy with Bernie just promoting Bernie for two more months...to the more or less detriment of Democrat presidential aspirations. Why?

I know not everyone can be a historian, but remembering back 16 years shouldn't be that hard.

 

[5mn_Major]

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I know not everyone can be a historian, but remembering back 16 years shouldn't be that hard.

Gore losing by court decision? Bill Bradley short in every primary? Y2K? Not tracking.

 

[Kepler]

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Who knows if he was on the level, but I met a guy yesterday who said he was voting for Bernie first and Trump second.

I have a co-worker who said the same thing. He's a gun nut and he trusts Bernie on guns and is so tickled that he actually has a Dem who isn't an auto-veto he would vote for the guy.

 

[Kepler]

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Gore losing by court decision? Bill Bradley short in every primary? Y2K? Not tracking.

Translation: Nader nearly destroyed America by making FL close enough for Bush to steal. Even the most fanatical Bernie Bro remembers that we can not risk turning the keys over to the infants on PCP that are the modern GOP.

 

[Jimjamesak]

Translation: Nader nearly destroyed America by making FL close enough for Bush to steal. Even the most fanatical Bernie Bro remembers that we can not risk turning the keys over to the infants on PCP that are the modern GOP.

I don't think you guys understand how ticked off people are over how the DNC and the Clinton campaign handled the primaries. A lot of them are staying home and a possible Trump Presidency only elicits a "maybe they'll listen next time."

 

[Handyman]

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Translation: Nader nearly destroyed America by making FL close enough for Bush to steal. Even the most fanatical Bernie Bro remembers that we can not risk turning the keys over to the infants on PCP that are the modern GOP.

Keep telling yourself it was Nader...Florida shouldnt have mattered but Gore was terrible and made horrible campaign decisions from the word go.

I was at the gym and Faux was on...watching Brit Hume and Megyn Kelly drool over the Hillary scandals and Bill's cheating was hilarious. What a bunch of brainlesss sellouts. Kelly especially for a woman she sure hates women's issues.

 

[Kepler]

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I don't think you guys understand how ticked off people are over how the DNC and the Clinton campaign handled the primaries. A lot of them are staying home and a possible Trump Presidency only elicits a "maybe they'll listen next time."

Oh trust me, I understand. I'm one of the most ticked off. But 2000 taught us there is too much at stake to make our point that way.

The Tea Party also taught us how to stage a hostile takeover of an established party. The GOP was far more closely guarded by the 1% against an uprising by insurgents, but the insurgency in winning. The Democratic party actually has people studded throughout the establishment who were once idealists -- we have people who started out as 1% class traitors. Many of them will come with us or at least not strongly resist. The left is self-correcting because their party can only be bought off to a critical level of exclusivity before it becomes unstable. The right has plutocracy baked into the mission statement so it has no air bag. When it hits the barrier, as it is now, it's with no protection. They either splinter or recoil into full on fascism.

 

[Kepler]

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Keep telling yourself it was Nader...Florida shouldnt have mattered but Gore was terrible and made horrible campaign decisions from the word go.

Gore was 90% responsible, Nader was 5%, and outright GOP fraud was 5% responsible. The important point is that Dubya was so ghastly it taught us never to risk even 5% again on a protest. They can't steal it if it's not close.

 

[Kepler]

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Elizabeth Warren is a national treasure.

The Massachusetts senator on Tuesday night dedicated a speech to rallying opposition against Drumpf — calling him a "small, insecure moneygrubber" who she said is "kissing the fannies of poor, misunderstood Wall Street bankers."

"He inherited a fortune from his father, and kept it going by scamming people, declaring bankruptcy and skipping out on what he owed," Warren said in prepared remarks