Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem
Conservatism ended when Goldwater beat Taft.
Conservatism ended when Goldwater beat Taft.
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Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem
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ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem
Sure, that's another line in history. I was giving everyone after that the benefit of the doubt. W took it to another level.
Sure, that's another line in history. I was giving everyone after that the benefit of the doubt. W took it to another level.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem
In all honesty there has probably never been a honest "conservative" movement in the United States. We've had strains of militarism, authoritarianism, and theocratic fascism masquerade as conservatism, but nothing Burke would have approved of.
In all honesty there has probably never been a honest "conservative" movement in the United States. We've had strains of militarism, authoritarianism, and theocratic fascism masquerade as conservatism, but nothing Burke would have approved of.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem
So, they turned liberal into a bad word because their word was always a lie.
Makes sense.
So, they turned liberal into a bad word because their word was always a lie.
Makes sense.
rufus
rock and roller
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem
Well yeah. I don't think any Republican is truly conservative, in the mold of William F. Buckley conservatism, especially over the last 20 years or so. Even Reagan can't really be considered conservative, given how he ballooned the federal debt.
That word is just meaningless, just another code word to con the rubes. Today's conservative cares about two things, tax cuts for the rich, and cutting social services. Just like every other Republican.
Well yeah. I don't think any Republican is truly conservative, in the mold of William F. Buckley conservatism, especially over the last 20 years or so. Even Reagan can't really be considered conservative, given how he ballooned the federal debt.
That word is just meaningless, just another code word to con the rubes. Today's conservative cares about two things, tax cuts for the rich, and cutting social services. Just like every other Republican.
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem
Peer Reviewed Research Article:
Misperceiving Bull**** as Profound Is Associated with Favorable Views of Cruz, Rubio, Trump and Conservatism
Peer Reviewed Research Article:
Misperceiving Bull**** as Profound Is Associated with Favorable Views of Cruz, Rubio, Trump and Conservatism
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Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem
Yup. Biggest problem the GOP has with Trump is that he doesn't need them. Not their money and not their media coverage. Drives them absolutely nuts.
Yup. Biggest problem the GOP has with Trump is that he doesn't need them. Not their money and not their media coverage. Drives them absolutely nuts.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem
Meanwhile, the Great Flip Flop begins:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-trump-reality-1462402908
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/mitch-mcconnell-backs-trump
http://nypost.com/2016/05/04/donald-trumps-policy-plans-are-real-detailed-and-great
Meanwhile, the Great Flip Flop begins:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-trump-reality-1462402908
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/mitch-mcconnell-backs-trump
http://nypost.com/2016/05/04/donald-trumps-policy-plans-are-real-detailed-and-great
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem
Its gonna be a fun ride!
Read that Bush I and Bush II won't endorse Trump nor be at the convention. Have we ever seen a convention where no party elders showed up??? No Bush I (okay he's old) no Bush II so no former Presidents. No Dole (okay he's old), no McCain and no Romney so no former nominees.
Who the hell is coming to this thing? Trump's ex-wives?
Its gonna be a fun ride!
Read that Bush I and Bush II won't endorse Trump nor be at the convention. Have we ever seen a convention where no party elders showed up??? No Bush I (okay he's old) no Bush II so no former Presidents. No Dole (okay he's old), no McCain and no Romney so no former nominees.
Who the hell is coming to this thing? Trump's ex-wives?
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem
I strongly suspect between now and then there will be a Great Realization that Drumpf "is harrumpf our nominee and thus for the good of the party harrumpf deserves our support."
All he needs is an improvement in the head to head, which is bound to happen as party affiliation reasserts itself. The media doesn't want a rout, so we'll be seeing a lot of stories about "how Drumpf earned the elders' respect" and how he's "turning it around." All he needs to do is make a generous donation to the NRSC and he'll be in their good graces.
Its gonna be a fun ride!
Read that Bush I and Bush II won't endorse Trump nor be at the convention. Have we ever seen a convention where no party elders showed up??? No Bush I (okay he's old) no Bush II so no former Presidents. No Dole (okay he's old), no McCain and no Romney so no former nominees.
I strongly suspect between now and then there will be a Great Realization that Drumpf "is harrumpf our nominee and thus for the good of the party harrumpf deserves our support."
All he needs is an improvement in the head to head, which is bound to happen as party affiliation reasserts itself. The media doesn't want a rout, so we'll be seeing a lot of stories about "how Drumpf earned the elders' respect" and how he's "turning it around." All he needs to do is make a generous donation to the NRSC and he'll be in their good graces.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem
My best friend from high school was a big Buchanan backer and now is a big Drumpf fan. It's the same nativist, populist tune now played on a calliope rather than sung as Gregorian chant.
My best friend from high school was a big Buchanan backer and now is a big Drumpf fan. It's the same nativist, populist tune now played on a calliope rather than sung as Gregorian chant.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem
When he was talking about the problems with people speaking another language other than English in their own homes all I could think of were all my older relatives that spoke French at home. These people were US citizens, and were born here, they just happened to grow up in French speaking homes since their parents immigrated to Maine from Quebec to work in mills at a time when Maine was highly industrialized and Quebec was poor. My grandfather and his brothers fought in WWII and were proud patriots. Most of these people have passed away now, but they all had French accents (even by the time they hit 80/90 years old). When I was young, my Grandmother had got to the point that she would speak primarily English, even with her siblings and cousins, unless she were talking to someone that wasn't as comfortable with English. She has switched to English at home when my mother was young because she wanted her children to have English as their first language. Sure, lots of first generation Hispanic immigrants are speaking Spanish at home. But, like my family, their children will speak English, and after a couple generations they might not even know Spanish anymore.
When he was talking about the problems with people speaking another language other than English in their own homes all I could think of were all my older relatives that spoke French at home. These people were US citizens, and were born here, they just happened to grow up in French speaking homes since their parents immigrated to Maine from Quebec to work in mills at a time when Maine was highly industrialized and Quebec was poor. My grandfather and his brothers fought in WWII and were proud patriots. Most of these people have passed away now, but they all had French accents (even by the time they hit 80/90 years old). When I was young, my Grandmother had got to the point that she would speak primarily English, even with her siblings and cousins, unless she were talking to someone that wasn't as comfortable with English. She has switched to English at home when my mother was young because she wanted her children to have English as their first language. Sure, lots of first generation Hispanic immigrants are speaking Spanish at home. But, like my family, their children will speak English, and after a couple generations they might not even know Spanish anymore.
St. Clown
Liberal Rebel Scum, apparently
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem
The immigrants from areas south of the USA often call it Spanglish. They speak mostly English, and then when they speak Spanish, there's some English tossed in as they either forgot the Spanish word or simply never learned it. I play hockey with a couple Russian guys who do the same thing in their homes, they immigrated here when they were 7 and 8 years old.
The immigrants from areas south of the USA often call it Spanglish. They speak mostly English, and then when they speak Spanish, there's some English tossed in as they either forgot the Spanish word or simply never learned it. I play hockey with a couple Russian guys who do the same thing in their homes, they immigrated here when they were 7 and 8 years old.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem
For that matter, I wonder what percentage of colonists spoke English in 1776. I have seen estimates of about 67%, but I haven't seen any real peer-reviewed data.
For that matter, I wonder what percentage of colonists spoke English in 1776. I have seen estimates of about 67%, but I haven't seen any real peer-reviewed data.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem
This has also happened with every immigrant wave. NYC had its own dialects of Yiddish, Russian, Polish and Hungarian because of the interchange of English loan words. It's very common. Not to mention that those languages infused American English with an enormous number of new words.
Heck, English is itself just a conglomerate of words stolen from or imposed by non-English-speaking populations, going all the way back to the Saxons and the Normans.
This has also happened with every immigrant wave. NYC had its own dialects of Yiddish, Russian, Polish and Hungarian because of the interchange of English loan words. It's very common. Not to mention that those languages infused American English with an enormous number of new words.
Heck, English is itself just a conglomerate of words stolen from or imposed by non-English-speaking populations, going all the way back to the Saxons and the Normans.
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