Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

Agreed. I'm glad the media, even if it's sort of mainstream left wing media, I starting to call him what he is: a fascist. A dangerous fascist.

National Review was one of the first outlets to start to draw the comparison. I guess a broken clock is right twice a day.

It is great to see the warnings growing louder. No doubt some of them are about trying to save establishment bacon, and some are merely partisan. But some are sincere, and people ignore them at our peril. I'm sure there were warning voices in 20s Italy and 30s Germany and 40s Spain and 50s Argentina too. This is commensurately more dangerous to humanity to the degree that the United States is so much more powerful. Even the Cheney junta, which had fascist leanings, was not this bad.

 

[BassAle]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

sorry, not sure if this has been posted yet


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/adam-nicholas-phillips/doomsday-savior-how-paul-ryan_b_9474788.html

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

a.k.a the George Wallace Strategy.

Won't work. A three-way between GOP, Dem and Drumpf will not take any states away from Hillary while meanwhile giving her all the close states she would otherwise lose (NC, GA, maybe AZ). The stronger the third party challenger, the larger the Hillary landslide.

 

[Handyman]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

a.k.a the George Wallace Strategy.

Won't work. A three-way between GOP, Dem and Drumpf will not take any states away from Hillary while meanwhile giving her all the close states she would otherwise lose (NC, GA, maybe AZ). The stronger the third party challenger, the larger the Hillary landslide.

Yeah the Huffington Post went Flaggy on the bit...the strategy wouldnt work in the least bit. The GOP would lose all of the swing states and take none of the Blue States. It would be a bloodbath...

The media's attempt to find a white knight strategy in this election isnt happening. The stage is set and the matchup is coming. There will be no Brokered Convention, no Third Party screwjob or Hillary Indictment.

 

[Rover]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

a.k.a the George Wallace Strategy.

Won't work. A three-way between GOP, Dem and Drumpf will not take any states away from Hillary while meanwhile giving her all the close states she would otherwise lose (NC, GA, maybe AZ). The stronger the third party challenger, the larger the Hillary landslide.

I think the guy wrote at the bottom that its a hairbrained theory so that was nice of him.

Was listening to NPR today and some Trump apostle was talking about how his appeal to Reagan Democrats will put Trump over the top in places like PA. Of course the host was too polite to challenge this, but there's two new names for Reagan Democrats. 1) Republicans, 2) Deceased (and not necessarily in that order).

 

[BassAle]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

The thing that will **** us over is peoples insane and irrational hatred of Hillary (I've heard from several people that would rather vote for Trump just because he isn't Hillary), and insane Bernie fanatics that won't let it go and are talking about writing his name in instead of hold their nose and vote for Hillary. Look, I like Bernie. I'd love someone to pull the country further left. But I know he isn't going to win the nomination and I know I'll be voting for Hillary in November.

 

[Rover]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

The thing that will **** us over is peoples insane and irrational hatred of Hillary (I've heard from several people that would rather vote for Trump just because he isn't Hillary), and insane Bernie fanatics that won't let it go and are talking about writing his name in instead of hold their nose and vote for Hillary. Look, I like Bernie. I'd love someone to pull the country further left. But I know he isn't going to win the nomination and I know I'll be voting for Hillary in November.

Maybe is she was running against a Gooper out of central casting, but she's not. The opponent is Trump. I had to correct a guy at work over this last week. He was yapping about how if a Republican wins blah blah blah and I stopped him and said the Republican is Trump. Its no longer some generic person to fill in the blanks later with. Trump is the GOP nominee. He was almost shocked for a moment as he contemplated that.

Some diehard Sanders Stoners may stay home in November, but the choice on election day is pretty stark.

 

[Twitch Boy]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

a.k.a the George Wallace Strategy.

Won't work. A three-way between GOP, Dem and Drumpf will not take any states away from Hillary while meanwhile giving her all the close states she would otherwise lose (NC, GA, maybe AZ). The stronger the third party challenger, the larger the Hillary landslide.

Hearing rumors that's actually the plan, and it might be the least messy option available. Concede POTUS to Hillary, try to bring GOP voters out for the downticket races, and see about purging the telephone pole screamers for 2018 and 2020.

Name I'm hearing is Rick Perry - he could do it just by stealing 10 percent in a write-in in TX and swinging the state to Shrill.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

and insane Bernie fanatics that won't let it go and are talking about writing his name in instead of hold their nose and vote for Hillary

I do not believe these exist. There might be some yutes who insist on being purists, but not many and we aren't depending on the yute vote anyway. This election will be decided in Ohio and Florida: if the Democrats win both the Republicans have absolutely no chance to win. Although the overall electorates of both states are very different, the battleground voters in each state are the same: aging married lower middle class HS but no college whites.

Let's assume the GOP's best possible chance: Drumpf is the nominee, he chooses a legitimate and respected conservative as his Veep (say, Kasich), and Cleveland is a Love-in. There are three months of campaigning from the convention until the general. In those three months there will be thousands of hours of broadcast and millions of column inches of journalism concerning Drumpf's business practices, which will turn out to be seedy, underhanded, exploitative of immigrant labor, and screwing over of... aging married lower middle class HS but no college whites. There will be dozens of weepy interviews with families whose lives were ruined by Drumpf's actual practice of real life crony capitalism. The Clintons will paint Drumpf as the poster child of his own bogeyman of the callous, politically connected, economic hitman. Hillary was able to speak to these people in 2008 and she'll be able to 8 years later with her refined skills (and targeting models).

Meanwhile, Drumpf will say incendiary, bombastic things and all but his true believers will start to get nervous about that finger on the button. Every foreign policy situation will push more and more people towards the more cautious choice in Hillary. Drumpf will be divisive, Cruz will be playing games behind his back with movement conservatives, the establishment and big business will all but openly declare themselves neutral if not leaning towards Clinton; vulnerable GOP officeholders will shun any association with their own ticket. Meanwhile, Bernie and Warren will actively campaign for Hillary and liberals will rediscover that Hillary does hold strongly liberal positions on a few things.

More and more I think the question in November is whether Clinton will have coattails and whether conservatives will go to the polls despite not intending to cast a vote for the presidency. If Hillary wins in a rout, will that trickle down ticket and flip the Senate and even the House?

 

[geezer]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

More and more I think the question in November is whether Clinton will have coattails and whether conservatives will go to the polls despite not intending to cast a vote for the presidency. If Hillary wins in a rout, will that trickle down ticket and flip the Senate and even the House?

This is indeed the big question. Preventative measures are underway as we speak.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

This is indeed the big question. Preventative measures are underway as we speak.

I assume that got started in the legislative sausage machine a long, long time ago.

 

[St. Clown]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

If Drumpf gets the nomination, then his VP pick would truly be important because somebody's going to off that guy a la Zoolander and the Malaysian Prime Minister.

 

[Handyman]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

The thing that will **** us over is peoples insane and irrational hatred of Hillary (I've heard from several people that would rather vote for Trump just because he isn't Hillary), and insane Bernie fanatics that won't let it go and are talking about writing his name in instead of hold their nose and vote for Hillary. Look, I like Bernie. I'd love someone to pull the country further left. But I know he isn't going to win the nomination and I know I'll be voting for Hillary in November.

Dude take your meds...come November no one is going to do that crap.

 

[dxmnkd316]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

Hearing rumors that's actually the plan, and it might be the least messy option available. Concede POTUS to Hillary, try to bring GOP voters out for the downticket races, and see about purging the telephone pole screamers for 2018 and 2020.

Name I'm hearing is Rick Perry - he could do it just by stealing 10 percent in a write-in in TX and swinging the state to Shrill.

I think that's the best strategy and one I mentioned was their best earlier. CUt out the cancer now, suffer for the next decade or two, but survive as a party.

 

[BassAle]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

Dude take your meds...come November no one is going to do that crap.

I didn't think so either, but I've talked to a bunch of people that think Hillary is a criminal and either are in the tank for Trump, plan on writing in Bernie, or are genuinely unsure what to do in a Trump v Hillary scenario.

 

[unofan]

This is indeed the big question. Preventative measures are underway as we speak.

Everyone keeps saying the Senate is unlikely to flip, our at least aren't paying attention to that. I gotta question that considering that this is the first re-election for the 2010 wave. The Dems are only defending 10 seats in mainly solid blue states. The GOP has 24 seats up and a lot of them are in purple states.

Grassley is probably safe in Iowa even with the SCOTUS issue, but there's a lot of them that aren't.

 

[Rover]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

Far be it from me to stop the GOP from hanging themselves, but IMHO you've got to live and die with Trump. No matter who the nominees are, whoever win the WH wins the Senate. IL and WI are probable flips, but if the GOP wins they hang onto the OH, PA and FL most likely. They can afford to lose two out of those 3 and NH. If they lose, whether its with Trump, Cruz, Rubio, Kasich, etc. there's no way they hold all those seats.

The House is a bigger problem. Somebody as polarizing as Trump makes the 28 Goopers sitting in Obama won districts targets. They're going to own him whether they want to or not, and there's nothing they can do to distance themselves. But, its too late in the game now. Screw Trump out of the nomination and his people stay home. They aren't going to come out and save Northeast moderates which is where the bulk of GOP losses would most likely occur.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

Everyone keeps saying the Senate is unlikely to flip

I don't think this is true. I'd say reasonable coverage (i.e., 538 and their ilk) has about a 60% chance of a Senate flip. What's unlikely is a House flip, though a Drumpf candidacy even puts that on the table, and say a Cleveland Screw Job with Cruz as nominee followed by a Drumpf third party tantrum means almost anything could happen.

 

[mookie1995]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

Dude take your meds...come November no one is going to do that crap.

okey dokey

(never underestimate the hatred she stirs up in that lovely american politics pot )

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

It's possible that the Hillary Hate will be so grotesque that she'll get sympathy for it. A lot of those folks are like if you put an MRA brain in a Duck Dynasty body.