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Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.

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Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.

John Oliver had a great line in his show last night (actually, he had a lot of great lines). When talking about a possible Trump presidency, he said, "You will remember January 20, 2017, because that's the day everyone in the future will be traveling back to in order to correct everything that happens after."

Oliver's whole segment on Trump was brilliant and shows how stupid America is for buying his crap. I might have to download that Chrome extension that changes any Trump reference to "Drumpf" :)
 
Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.

If he loses Massachusetts (down by 5 to 8 points in latest polls) its time to call it a day.

This actually brings up a good question: when is his ideal time to drop out? He isn't hurting Hillary by staying in and he does continue to attract energy and at least somewhat influence policy debate.

It's actually not great for Hillary to wrap it up too quickly, since that kills attention and also means the GOP candidates will go after her even more than now. I think at the moment some GOPers are still hoping against hope that Bernie somehow manages to snag the nom because they think he's McGovern.

Basically, the Clinton and Sanders teams need to communicate.
 
Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.

This actually brings up a good question: when is his ideal time to drop out? He isn't hurting Hillary by staying in and he does continue to attract energy and at least somewhat influence policy debate.

It's actually not great for Hillary to wrap it up too quickly, since that kills attention and also means the GOP candidates will go after her even more than now. I think at the moment some GOPers are still hoping against hope that Bernie somehow manages to snag the nom because they think he's McGovern.

Basically, the Clinton and Sanders teams need to communicate.

Bernie should stay in the race through June. No reason not to if he still has funds. Hillary would not be in a position to complain about this since she did the same thing in 2008. Frankly its a good thing. Keeps the Dems in the news and Bernie's supporters get a chance to cast a vote for him.

What I'd like to see Sanders do is stay engaged on a Congressional level. I don't expect him to become a big Hillary supporter and that's fine as an Elizabeth Warren endorsement will have the same effect of winning over the persuadable Sanders voters to back her candidacy. However, for the rest of them, if he can target a dozen or so Congressional seats where a likeminded progressive is running, that's where he could possibly be a difference maker. Raising money and profiles for starters, and if he can bring new college aged people out to vote in these districts. He gets what he wants (more people like him in Congress) and the Dems get that they want (more Dem representatives). Howard Dean did this to great effect in 2006 to use a historical example.
 
Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.

The Americsn public does not like GOP nominees from the East Coast. In the last century only Cal Coolidge and Bush41 claimed the East Coast as a residence. We do better with Midwesterners (ie right of center but not firebrand).

If the electorate and Powers That Be had any sense, it would be Kasich. But in this election the mob is out of control (see Dems 1968/1972) and while 1968 was close 1972 was a wipe out.
 
Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.

Bernie should stay in the race through June. No reason not to if he still has funds. Hillary would not be in a position to complain about this since she did the same thing in 2008. Frankly its a good thing. Keeps the Dems in the news and Bernie's supporters get a chance to cast a vote for him.

What I'd like to see Sanders do is stay engaged on a Congressional level. I don't expect him to become a big Hillary supporter and that's fine as an Elizabeth Warren endorsement will have the same effect of winning over the persuadable Sanders voters to back her candidacy. However, for the rest of them, if he can target a dozen or so Congressional seats where a likeminded progressive is running, that's where he could possibly be a difference maker. Raising money and profiles for starters, and if he can bring new college aged people out to vote in these districts. He gets what he wants (more people like him in Congress) and the Dems get that they want (more Dem representatives). Howard Dean did this to great effect in 2006 to use a historical example.

Yes to all of this. If Hillary wins and the Democrats retake the Senate, which looks more and more likely with Trump pulling ahead and GOPers saying crazy stuff like they'll repudiate their own nominee, Sanders and Warren will be positioned to move Senate bills to the left to give us a better opening bid when differences with the (lunatic right) House bills are resolved in conference. The Senate will also hold the whip hand since anything that goes too far right will be vetoed.

This is all of course assuming the Republican sh-tshow doesn't go so wrong that they even blow the House majority, something I don't think is possible unless we're actually looking at a realigning election.
 
Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.

The Americsn public does not like GOP nominees from the East Coast. In the last century only Cal Coolidge and Bush41 claimed the East Coast as a residence. We do better with Midwesterners (ie right of center but not firebrand).

If the electorate and Powers That Be had any sense, it would be Kasich. But in this election the mob is out of control (see Dems 1968/1972) and while 1968 was close 1972 was a wipe out.

I too don't understand why we don't have more nominees out of the Rust Belt, really the critical region as a whole to win. I suppose you could have one for the VP slot (Kasich lets assume since Snyder is politically dead post-Flint) but with Trump as the nominee not sure another 60 year old white guy is the way to fill out the ticket. :eek:

Kep, regarding the House, here's where the Dems need to apply maximum pressure. There's 28-35 Goopers sitting in Obama won districts from either 2008 or 2012. Make a strong play for those districts and any district within 5 points. I'm not saying Trump will be a disaster. I'm saying he has the potential to be a disaster of epic proportions IF people come out and vote. Sanders might be able to add some extra oompf in some districts to put Dem candidates over the top, especially in a place with a large college presence.
 
Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.

Nate Silver ‏@NateSilver538 3h3 hours ago

Anyway, Trump will probably be the GOP nominee and possibly become President. No joke. If you care either way about this, you should vote.

Trump wins in November = Trump's remakes GOP in his image Trump loses = looks like black swan, conservatives maybe get GOP back in 2020

Silver's been a major skeptic about Trump (Drumpf?) until now.
 
Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.

Kep, regarding the House, here's where the Dems need to apply maximum pressure. There's 28-35 Goopers sitting in Obama won districts from either 2008 or 2012. Make a strong play for those districts and any district within 5 points. I'm not saying Trump will be a disaster. I'm saying he has the potential to be a disaster of epic proportions IF people come out and vote. Sanders might be able to add some extra oompf in some districts to put Dem candidates over the top, especially in a place with a large college presence.

I think we should also look at the most highly educated red districts. I'm sure there are wealthy, educated suburban districts around Houston, Phoenix, San Antonio, San Diego and Dallas that are deep red because they vote for low taxes and a bit of the ol' Whitey McWhite-white. Those people are going to look at Trump in horror: he's like an anthropomorphization of a jittery market. Throw in some concerned Jews who see Trump as likely to accidentally set off a Morocco-to-Pakistan world war, and you might see sunbelt suburbs (and their donations) begin to flee the GOP.

The trick is for the numbers to start to look like a Dem House takeover. Then the smart money starts to favor a freshman majority member who will at least have a few bones thrown to his district than an experienced minority member who'll get nothing and like it.

From such calculations are real political revolutions made. :-)
 
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Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.

John Oliver had a great line in his show last night (actually, he had a lot of great lines). When talking about a possible Trump presidency, he said, "You will remember January 20, 2017, because that's the day everyone in the future will be traveling back to in order to correct everything that happens after."

This is his Trump segment. It's actually one of his longer segments to close his show, and that's saying something given the topics he's covered in the past.
 
Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.

Oliver's whole segment on Trump was brilliant and shows how stupid America is for buying his crap. I might have to download that Chrome extension that changes any Trump reference to "Drumpf" :)

"For a man who claims to know a lot of big words, the biggest word in that sentence was literally the word 'words.'"
 
Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.

A very good piece about Trump and the GOP implosion.

Money shot:

If we do a project in a rough and ready way, which is often what we can manage under the time and budget constraints we face, we will build up a "debt" we'll eventually have to pay back. Basically, if we do it fast, we'll later have to go back and rework or even replace the code to make it robust enough for the long haul, interoperate with other code that runs our site or simply be truly functional as opposed just barely doing what we need it to. There's no right or wrong answer; it's simply a management challenge to know when to lean one way or the other. But if you build up too much of this debt the problem can start to grow not in a linear but an exponential fashion, until the system begins to cave in on itself with internal decay, breakdowns of interoperability and emergent failures which grow from both.

This is a fairly good description of what the media is now wrongly defining as the GOP's 'Trump problem', only in this case the problem isn't programming debt. It's a build up of what we might call 'hate debt' and 'nonsense debt' that has been growing up for years.

This crystallized for me after the last GOP debate when Trump told Chris Cuomo in a post-debate interview that the IRS might be coming after him because he's a "strong Christian." Set aside for the moment how this unchurched libertine was able to rebrand himself as a "strong Christian." What about the preposterous claim that he is being persecuted by the IRS because he is a devout member of the country's dominant religion? Republicans simply aren't in any position to criticize this ludicrous claim because they have spent years telling their voters that this sort of thing happens all the time - to Christians, conservatives, everyone the liberals at the IRS hate. And this, of course, is just one example of hate and nonsense debt coming due. Shift gears now and they're "RINOs."

tl; dr: They did it to themselves.
 
Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.

Rafael Cruz is a nutbar.

The elder Cruz, one of his son’s top campaign surrogates, repeated his claim that his son has divine support for his presidential bid, even going so far as to compare him to Josiah, the King of Judah, who, according to biblical texts, was raised up by God to banish idolatry and restore exclusive worship to the God of Israel.

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeee...!
 
Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.

Rafael Cruz is a nutbar.



Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeee...!

Won't matter. That sells awesome with the local party. It checks them out of the Presidency but it appears to me and everyone else with a brain that they have no interest in the Presidency unless they can win it on their terms. Meanwhile they'll clean up on House Seats.
 
Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.

Because the Democrats replaced Howard Dean with an imbecile.
 
Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.

Yeah, no one likes her. I'm probably one of the few people in the US who doesn't power vomit every time her name is mentioned.

I am sure Hillary shows her O face every time she hears the name :p
 
Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.

Won't matter. That sells awesome with the local party. It checks them out of the Presidency but it appears to me and everyone else with a brain that they have no interest in the Presidency unless they can win it on their terms. Meanwhile they'll clean up on House Seats.

That plan is great except they're running him for president...
 
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