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Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.

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Rover said:
Weak article by weak pundit. I like Lizzy Warren a lot, but nothing is gained by putting two 60+ year old women who represented neighboring states in the Senate on a ticket together. What I'd like to see is Warren team up with like minded Senators and form a majority of the Dem caucus in that chamber. That way you'd avoid any more Harry Reid's as party leader.
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I think you're going to find Reid was much more effective than he was given credit for. Not my favorite brand of Dem, for sure, but he was able to usually give the GOP just enough rope to hang themselves.

I agree Warren should stay in the Senate. I would like to see a rock-ribbed liberal caucus start to leverage the country's move to the left to actually get sh-t done, and I don't trust most of them not to be bought off by the 1%. A change is gonna come, and it's important for us to have the institutional and procedural infrastructure in place to take full advantage and reclaim the country from the plutes before they can regroup.
 
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Rover said:
Here's how I see it playing out. Its sorta like how Teapartiers will eventually take over the GOP Senate leadership and kick Itch and Cornyn to the curb.

In no way do I want a purge of center-left Dems. McCaskill, Manchin, etc all have a valuable roll to play. However Warren needs to team up with likeminded individuals already in the Senate like Franken or Sherrod Brown AND make sure safe open Dem seats elect progressives to them. Maryland is a good example this year. That's the key to Cruz' wing of the party. They've taken over seats with radicals in places where they don't have to worry about losing in the general election (Utah for example). Obviously I'd like liberals elected in contested seats as well, but if you gave me a choice between a centrist with a 50/50 chance of winning and a liberal with a 20% chance, I'd defer to the centrist. At the end of the day you need to coble together a majority. I may not have liked every position Nebraska senator Ben Nelson took, but he did help give us 60 votes for the ACA and Dodd-Frank for example.
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So much this.

Always Be Cobbling.

To paraphrase Reagan, always pick the most liberal Democrat who can win the office, but not a step farther left. In Mississippi that might be a Klansman with three sister wives and a home chemistry set to mail letter bombs to clinic docs, but as long as he's voting (D) on the omnibus budget bill I'll take his vote.

The Tea Party purist purge was just the latest time the oldest lesson in politics was re-learned: it's the art of the possible, not a religious crusade. For the longest time the GOP kept this in mind and the Dems were a hot mess. Now, in the brief time in which the Dems are acting like adults, is the time to go in for the kill.
 
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Kepler said:
I think you're going to find Reid was much more effective than he was given credit for. Not my favorite brand of Dem, for sure, but he was able to usually give the GOP just enough rope to hang themselves.

I agree Warren should stay in the Senate. I would like to see a rock-ribbed liberal caucus start to leverage the country's move to the left to actually get sh-t done, and I don't trust most of them not to be bought off by the 1%. A change is gonna come, and it's important for us to have the institutional and procedural infrastructure in place to take full advantage and reclaim the country from the plutes before they can regroup.
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Took Reid 6 years too long to learn how to do his job as Majority Leader. He cost the Dems the House with his dithering in the Senate. Ironic since Pelosi got all of Obama's agenda passed. I give him credit for getting better in recent years. However, I'm also glad he's calling it a career. Not sure what to expect out of Schumer although I think he'll squash the filibuster for SCOTUS justices pretty quickly if needed next year.
 
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And what have we learned this year kids?

Kepler said:
that might be a Klansman with three sister wives and a home chemistry set to mail letter bombs to clinic docs, but as long as he's voting (D) on the omnibus budget bill I'll take his vote.
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*sigh* nevermind.
 
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Kepler said:
You've been posting nothing but idiocy since about January 15, so unless your adolescent child has stolen your keyboard or you're off your meds, that is not the path you want to go down.

I haven't seen anything stupid or crazy in the remarks you've chosen to bring your, um, unique brand of "analysis" to. On the other hand, your responses have grown increasingly shrill and deranged.

You're picking fights with EVERYBODY.

You know the saying. If you meet one jerk on the way to work, you've met a jerk. If you meet jerks everywhere you go, ...
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Rover's posts are actually pretty fitting for the 2016 campaign.

Philosophers have long noted that insults are the tool of those bereft of logic, a school of thought abandoned by many politicians (and Rover) today.
 
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SJHovey said:
Rover's posts are actually pretty fitting for the 2016 campaign.

Philosophers have long noted that insults are the tool of those bereft of logic, a school of thought abandoned by many politicians (and Rover) today.
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We all bow down to your superior logic Hovey. Thank you for blessing us with your presence. :rolleyes:

Interesting take on tax plans for the candidates. Mind you the article is clear its not trying to judge where the money goes, just how its raised.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/bernie-sanders-tax-increases-220267
 
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Rover said:
Took Reid 6 years too long to learn how to do his job as Majority Leader. He cost the Dems the House with his dithering in the Senate. Ironic since Pelosi got all of Obama's agenda passed. I give him credit for getting better in recent years. However, I'm also glad he's calling it a career. Not sure what to expect out of Schumer although I think he'll squash the filibuster for SCOTUS justices pretty quickly if needed next year.
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I assume Schumer is just 3 steps ahead of an SEC indictment. He just seems like that kinda guy to me.

Nancy was great. I thought she was going to be terrible, but she was flat out awesome.

I think Obama's dawdling is what cost us. He could have done so much those first 2 years but he kept playing nice with the Republicans, when it was clear to anyone that they were a poisonous snake. If nothing else he should have filled every federal Court vacancy with someone to the left of Frank Murphy. Instead he stranded about 100 vacancies when the orcs took the Congress.

The Obama people are legendary on the Hill for their arrogance, and it's going to be a good day when most of them have to pack their bags. The Clintonistas have a loyalty system that makes the Yakuza look relaxed, but they hire good, hard-headed people. The Clintons also live by an edict that when it's a campaign issue the politicals rule, but when it's a policy issue the politicals shut up and listen to the senior bureaucrats who actually know the subject. That was only sporadically followed by the Obamanians, and of course the Dubya administration notoriously politicized everything.
 
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Kepler said:
I assume Schumer is just 3 steps ahead of an SEC indictment. He just seems like that kinda guy to me.

Nancy was great. I thought she was going to be terrible, but she was flat out awesome.

I think Obama's dawdling is what cost us. He could have done so much those first 2 years but he kept playing nice with the Republicans, when it was clear to anyone that they were a poisonous snake. If nothing else he should have filled every federal Court vacancy with someone to the left of Frank Murphy. Instead he stranded about 100 vacancies when the orcs took the Congress.

The Obama people are legendary on the Hill for their arrogance, and it's going to be a good day when most of them have to pack their bags. The Clintonistas have a loyalty system that makes the Yakuza look relaxed, but they hire good, hard-headed people. The Clintons also live by an edict that when its a campaign issue the politicals rule, but when it's a policy issue the politicals shut up and listen to the senior bureaucrats who actually know the subject. That was only sporadically followed by the Obama, and of course the Dubya administration notoriously politicized everything.
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A good point you've hit on I think is that the Clinton's also now know how Washington works. Obama IMHO had the idea that you could reach out and reason with the Republicans based on either the force of his personality or that somehow Bill Clinton had screwed up with them. Time has proven that to be ridiculous. Hillary Clinton will already know this and not need two years to figure it out. My hope is Schumer will do the same....
 
Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.

Rover said:
A good point you've hit on I think is that the Clinton's also now know how Washington works. Obama IMHO had the idea that you could reach out and reason with the Republicans based on either the force of his personality or that somehow Bill Clinton had screwed up with them. Time has proven that to be ridiculous. Hillary Clinton will already know this and not need two years to figure it out. My hope is Schumer will do the same....
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Schumer has no illusions. His big issue is going to be that he's almost as big a narcissist as Drumpf. He loves being in the spotlight, which is good for picking fights with the trogs, but he has an exaggerated opinion of his oratorial skills, respected by few, and his personal charm, respected by nobody. In a world in which Ted Cruz didn't exist he might be one of the more loathed Members, but of course Ted is three standard deviations beyond him on that score.

Schumer's other big problem of course is that he's compromised by Wall Street even worse than Hillary and probably about as much as Corey Booker. He's going to be an impediment to serious reform, assuming we could even look for that from HRC.
 
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St. Clown said:
My favorite was "Kim left a can in the car this time." The rest of the phone call was me laughing at my brother. :D
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bahahahaha, I love it. I was laughing my *** off at my desk.
 
St. Clown said:
Do you really not remember any of that? The Clintons were on the news saying that they had to spend all of their savings and income of defense lawyers during the Kent Starr investigations and subsequent impeachment. They were asking for donations to cover those costs back in 2000, the famous Clinton Defense Fund.

Yes, Pres. Clinton made a lot of money on the speech circuit after leaving office, but he and Shrillary were claiming indigence upon the actual moment of leaving office.
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"We don't even own SILVERWEAR!!! :( "
 
Rover said:
Here's how I see it playing out. Its sorta like how Teapartiers will eventually take over the GOP Senate leadership and kick Itch and Cornyn to the curb.

In no way do I want a purge of center-left Dems. McCaskill, Manchin, etc all have a valuable roll to play. However Warren needs to team up with likeminded individuals already in the Senate like Franken or Sherrod Brown AND make sure safe open Dem seats elect progressives to them. Maryland is a good example this year. That's the key to Cruz' wing of the party. They've taken over seats with radicals in places where they don't have to worry about losing in the general election (Utah for example). Obviously I'd like liberals elected in contested seats as well, but if you gave me a choice between a centrist with a 50/50 chance of winning and a liberal with a 20% chance, I'd defer to the centrist. At the end of the day you need to coble together a majority. I may not have liked every position Nebraska senator Ben Nelson took, but he did help give us 60 votes for the ACA and Dodd-Frank for example.
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If Chris Van Hollen is not the next Senator from Maryland, I'll start rooting for Cornell.
 
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Dennis Miller
For years I have to watch Republican Establishment asshats refuse to vociferously engage people and policies that have this country deep in the ****ter and only now they've decided to shoot in their own tent like it's a Pekinpah film. A pox on the RNC.
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So I didn't think these people actually existed but I just met two people that were Bernie for first choice and then Trump.

They think he is just saying whatever he thinks he needs to to pull one over on the GOP primary voters and he isn't really that crazy.
 
BassAle said:
So I didn't think these people actually existed but I just met two people that were Bernie for first choice and then Trump.

They think he is just saying whatever he thinks he needs to to pull one over on the GOP primary voters and he isn't really that crazy.
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Bernie has been running banks too big to fail ads and he would break them up. That's one thing I can truly get behind.
 
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Kepler said:
Schumer's other big problem of course is that he's compromised by Wall Street even worse than Hillary and probably about as much as Corey Booker.
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IMO, Booker is destined to run for POTUS, and he's going to channel Obama as much as possible when he does. ;)

walrus said:
Bernie has been running banks too big to fail ads and he would break them up. That's one thing I can truly get behind.
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TR-style trust busting?
 
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