Campaign 2016 - I'm Biden my time till I doctor the hearing.

[joecct]

Re: Campaign 2016 - I'm Biden my time till I doctor the hearing.

ok then. if we are going to cut taxes to make corporations more competitive here. but eliminate them? and cut taxes generally to become 'fair'. of course the initial question was based upon the debt & deficit.

so do we move to income or sales? not both, right?

or does just the dem plan to hike the top 50% and spend that as soon as it comes in?

IF (and it's a big if) corporations would cut prices if their income tax burden went to 0, then yea. But if you're going to pay the increased surplus to the investors and the corporate big wigs, no.

But I would go through the entire government and start goring oxes and sacred cows.

 

[dxmnkd316]

Re: Campaign 2016 - I'm Biden my time till I doctor the hearing.

Hillary will win Minnesota by double digits. That poll is insanely suspect.

 

[Spartanforlife4]

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Rand should retire from politics and be a debate moderator. His views are too out there to get elected, but he did a great job pointing out Rubio's conservative paradox and catching Trump in a total lie with TPP. Of course, he would probably be considered one of those "gotcha" liberal journalists if he was asking those questions from the other side of the stage.

Terrible job by the moderator to not ask a follow up after Paul called out Trump, and terrible job of the other candidates not to chime in on it either. Seems that Paul was the only one that actually knew anything about the TPP.

 

[French Rage]

Re: Campaign 2016 - I'm Biden my time till I doctor the hearing.

Hillary will win Minnesota by double digits. That poll is insanely suspect.

Has it been unskewed?

 

[walrus]

Rand should retire from politics and be a debate moderator. His views are too out there to get elected, but he did a great job pointing out Rubio's conservative paradox and catching Trump in a total lie with TPP. Of course, he would probably be considered one of those "gotcha" liberal journalists if he was asking those questions from the other side of the stage.

Terrible job by the moderator to not ask a follow up after Paul called out Trump, and terrible job of the other candidates not to chime in on it either. Seems that Paul was the only one that actually knew anything about the TPP.

Rand is the only republican worth paying attention to.

 

[dxmnkd316]

Re: Campaign 2016 - I'm Biden my time till I doctor the hearing.

Has it been unskewed?

Not sure. 538 or RCP might have it.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Campaign 2016 - I'm Biden my time till I doctor the hearing.

Way too early for this type of poll to mean too much right now, but it's still worth a second look since it's a MN only poll and our traditionally blue-voting history.

KSTP/SurveyUSA: Clinton Trails 4 of 6 GOP Candidates in Minnesota - link

Glad you posted it. Handy would eviscerate me for doing it.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/11/elizabeth-warren-cfpb-attack-ad-tweets

This is the woman who should be running.

 

[Foxton]

Re: Campaign 2016 - I'm Biden my time till I doctor the hearing.

Fox News today over the "debate." All the ratings! All the scripted responses!
<img src=http://i.imgur.com/QPwvzp8.jpg></img>

 

[Handyman]

Re: Campaign 2016 - I'm Biden my time till I doctor the hearing.

Glad you posted it. Handy would eviscerate me for doing it.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/11/elizabeth-warren-cfpb-attack-ad-tweets

This is the woman who should be running.

And I would eviscerate him as well if he played it up as anything but "too early polling" and went your route taking the speculation as fact. It wont happen. You and your ilk can run around claiming the sky is falling all day long like you all do every election cycle and when it is never in doubt (cause Minneapolis is not going Red...) you will look just as foolish as you did saying Scott Walker was going to win the nomination. I do enjoy your little Karl Rove act though

Seriously, I predicted this 3 months ago...some article would come out way too early saying this might be the year Minnesota flips and the usual crowd would lap it up. It isnt happening, and it certainly isnt happening with the clown show. If you honestly believe those numbers in your heart of hearts then you have even less of a clue about how elections work then I pretend you do.

(I am not even taking into account that the poll is ludicrous on its face due to the timing)

 

[mookie1995]

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Pocahontas is the best

 

[Kepler]

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An eloquent summary of the GOP over the last decade plus.

 

[5mn_Major]

Re: Campaign 2016 - I'm Biden my time till I doctor the hearing.

Hillary will win Minnesota by double digits. That poll is insanely suspect.

Pretty much. In 2012, a poll from the Star Tribune came out saying Romney was within a couple of points of Obama. A conservative friend of mine said you just wait...Romney can win in Minnesota. I just laughed...I figured it was a ploy by a left leaning paper to suck last minute Romney money way from battleground states. Sure enough, Romney blitzed the state with advertising...and Obama cruised to an easy victory in the state.

Rinse, repeat.

 

[Rover]

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Pretty much. In 2012, a poll from the Star Tribune came out saying Romney was within a couple of points of Obama. A conservative friend of mine said you just wait...Romney can win in Minnesota. I just laughed...I figured it was a ploy by a left leaning paper to suck last minute Romney money way from battleground states. Sure enough, Romney blitzed the state with advertising...and Obama cruised to an easy victory in the state.

Rinse, repeat.

Hey, it sucked in George Will, who predicted a Mittens victory in Minny in his way to 330 electoral votes. He was right about the electoral votes won, but had the wrong candidate winning them...

Rand should retire from politics and be a debate moderator. His views are too out there to get elected, but he did a great job pointing out Rubio's conservative paradox and catching Trump in a total lie with TPP. Of course, he would probably be considered one of those "gotcha" liberal journalists if he was asking those questions from the other side of the stage.

IMHO Rand Paul and Chris Christie have hurt themselves more than anybody else. Trump, Carson and Fiorina were always sideshows. Bush, Perry, Huckleberry and Santorum have nothing else to do so might as well run. I have no idea what Jindal, Pataki, and Graham were thinking.

With a change in the rules allowing him to run for re-election simultaneously with his Presidential bid, Paul should have stuck to his guns and argued for his version of libertarianism despite sagging poll #s. He was never going to win this year since its more anger and bluster that the base is looking for. However, in several debates despite negative media coverage he's been spot on correct. The Iraq War. Rubio's trillion dollar defense build up. The problem is some instances of shameless pandering on Israel and vaccinations of children, something as a doctor he should be firm about. Now he looks like just another pol. I think he like everybody got completely thrown off their game by Trump's focus on immigration which is a battle none of them were prepared to have.

Christie should have stayed out of the race this time around and fixed things in NJ to prepare for a 2020 run. Once he left office in Jan of 2018, he's have a solid 2 years to kiss Wall St donors' azzes, set up shop in key states, and lay the groundwork before the primaries while his potential rivals (Cruz, Paul, Kasich maybe) still have their elected positions to tend to. Right now he's adding nothing to the debate and has actually been made invisible which is hard for a 400 pound man to achieve.

 

[Rover]

Re: Campaign 2016 - I'm Biden my time till I doctor the hearing.

Its always nice to see reporters ripping me off! Haven't I been saying this about Calgary Ted for months?

--ANALYSIS -- ABC's RICK KLEIN: So he's not Bob Dole's favorite guy, just like he isn't George W. Bush's man, or John McCain's. (Can you be disliked by three more effective boldfaced names, in the modern iteration of the Republican Party?) Ted Cruz isn't playing their game because he's playing a different one entirely, in casting himself as the right blend for a frustrated GOP that's sick of losing and sicker still of the party establishment. Cruz is quickly developing into the man to watch, for his understanding of the primary electorate and the deft ways he uses that knowledge. As Jeff Greenfield notes in a Politico piece, Cruz may be the most effective debater in the Republican field because he's playing chess while his opponents play checkers. He's executing a game plan that's hard to read from the sidelines; somehow, he pseudo-attacked Marco Rubio on a high-profile issue (immigration) and a low-profile one (sugar subsidies) without having to utter Rubio's name. Cruz's camp sees itself as the potential heir to Ben Carson's horde of voters. He's looking like the next man to watch in the still-fluid race -- and with Cruz, it's never dull. http://politi.co/1SL2Hzy

I used to wonder how my comments out here mysteriously got picked up by national pundits, until my research staff discovered that USCHO poster Scooby Doo is actually Cokie Roberts!!! Now it all makes sense.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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I used to wonder how my comments out here mysteriously got picked up by national pundits, until my research staff discovered that USCHO poster Scooby Doo is actually Cokie Roberts!!! Now it all makes sense.

Damm. My secret is out.

 

[Kepler]

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Paul should have stuck to his guns and argued for his version of libertarianism despite sagging poll #s. He was never going to win this year since its more anger and bluster that the base is looking for. However, in several debates despite negative media coverage he's been spot on correct. The Iraq War. Rubio's trillion dollar defense build up. The problem is some instances of shameless pandering on Israel and vaccinations of children, something as a doctor he should be firm about. Now he looks like just another pol.

The libertarian cause was ill-served by its identification with the Pauls, père et fils. They had a window of opportunity to capture the right after the Great Recession, and they were uniquely well-positioned to appeal to disaffected conservative intellectuals, small business people, the gun lobby, the anti-war movement, the anti-surveillance state movement, and of course the anti-everything inbreds. The Tea Party started out as an ideal movement for them to ride to a slate of national candidacies. They had prepped for this moment for decades, seeding everywhere from talk radio to local libraries with their endless Randian, Rothbardian, Rockwellian tracts. It was on a tee.

I'm still not sure how they blew it, but did they ever.

 

[Rover]

Re: Campaign 2016 - I'm Biden my time till I doctor the hearing.

The libertarian cause was ill-served by its identification with the Pauls, père et fils. They had a window of opportunity to capture the right after the Great Recession, and they were uniquely well-positioned to appeal to disaffected conservative intellectuals, small business people, the gun lobby, the anti-war movement, the anti-surveillance state movement, and of course the anti-everything inbreds. The Tea Party started out as an ideal movement for them to ride to a slate of national candidacies. They had prepped for this moment for decades, seeding everywhere from talk radio to local libraries with their endless Randian, Rothbardian, Rockwellian tracts. It was on a tee.

I'm still not sure how they blew it, but did they ever.

They blew it in their refusal to denounce the Iraq War or the Presidency of George W Bush, who was about as anti-libertarian as you can get. Bush went to the SCOTUS declaring he had the right to detain American citizens for as long as he wanted under the guise of fighting terrorism, and he alone got to decide who to detain. If Obama had done this, they'd be firing up the impeachment hearings and we'd STILL be hearing about it years later. In any GOP debate where totalitarianism comes up, which is just about all of them, I've yet to hear a peep about this. One can get on Obama's case for continuing some Patriot Act provisions. However, all of them have their basis in modern day conservatism. The go along to get along attitude amongst so called libertarians is what killed the movement.

Damm. My secret is out.

You gotta admit the parallels are uncanny!

 

[Kepler]

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They blew it in their refusal to denounce the Iraq War or the Presidency of George W Bush, who was about as anti-libertarian as you can get.

Libertarians denounced the Iraq War and denounced the Forever War abuses (Patriot Act, torture, etc). I'm not sure what Paul's specific voting record was but I would bet it was textbook libertarian.

They needed to take it further and put up their own candidates to run in all the primaries, D or R. The Libertarian-Republican alliance was always a tortured, artificial marriage of convenience -- they should have either broken from the GOP entirely or tried to capture it from within. They failed to do either, and now they have the GOP stench all over them.

 

[Rover]

Re: Campaign 2016 - I'm Biden my time till I doctor the hearing.

Libertarians denounced the Iraq War and denounced the Forever War abuses (Patriot Act, torture, etc). I'm not sure what Paul's specific voting record was but I would bet it was textbook libertarian.

They needed to take it further and put up their own candidates to run in all the primaries, D or R. The Libertarian-Republican alliance was always a tortured, artificial marriage of convenience -- they should have either broken from the GOP entirely or tried to capture it from within. They failed to do either, and now they have the GOP stench all over them.

Libertarians in think tanks or in Congress? Very, very, very few libertarians or lip-service elected official libertarians denounced either the Patriot Act or the Iraq War when it was being voted on. That's the time to step up, not 10 years later.

Looking it up, it seems only Ron Paul voted against the Iraq War from a libertarian perspective as some of the others such as Constance Morella and Lincoln Chafee were more lefty Goopers.

 

[Kepler]

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Libertarians in think tanks or in Congress? Very, very, very few libertarians or lip-service elected official libertarians denounced either the Patriot Act or the Iraq War when it was being voted on. That's the time to step up, not 10 years later.

Looking it up, it seems only Ron Paul voted against the Iraq War from a libertarian perspective as some of the others such as Constance Morella and Lincoln Chafee were more lefty Goopers.

There are no other libertarians in Congress besides Paul. There are virtually no libertarians in elected office, at least above local positions.

Virtually all libertarian opinion-making/reflecting sites opposed the war. This sample was repeated a million times throughout their literati. I'm only an observer of homo libertanus and not the best person to represent them, but IINM we have a couple on the board if they want to flesh out who they consider to be the standard-bearers of the movement.

Like liberals, libertarians read it correctly from the start -- liberals as corporate policy implemented by military means, libertarians as government overreach unjustified by the facts, and both as the extension of The Empire at the expense of American values and interests.