Campaign 2016 - A Trump l'oeil? Kepler's Laws of Election Motions? Ship of Fools?

[St. Clown]

Re: Campaign 2016 - A Trump l'oeil? Kepler's Laws of Election Motions? Ship of Fools

I love how people go straight for the "underwater basketweaving" farce whenever education is talked about like somehow everyone is getting degrees in nothing. It is absurd but it is always the go to hyperbolic statement.

And while STEM is important so are the arts (ask Neil DeGrasse Tyson) and considering how pathetic most people are on the subject, Civics is pretty important too. Not everyone can be a scientist or engineer.

Firstly, people reference underwater basket weaving for the very reason that it's not a real major - no school offers it. With that said, do you hear much about perennially out of work chemical engineers? Do you ever hear about perennially out of work artists? Of course you do - we all do. They even have at title - Starving Artists. We have too many people going into the BFA programs as the next Warhol, creating a surfeit of Warhols in the world.

Nobody's saying that art isn't important, or that understanding civics is something we could do without, but there's only so much of each that the world can bear. When it comes to art, it's everywhere, dang near pervasive in its ubiquity in the world. It's brought to us by so many factions, but it's not often brought to us by someone with a person who majored in art history. Architects, landscape designers, and artisits specializing in some sort of commercial outlet have all contributed to what we see without most of us taking the time to think about it. Still, we need more STEM focus than art focus in our schools these days. We need more STEM and fewer psych majors that never go on to get that master's or doctorates necessary to make use of their studies.

Our economy is built upon two main pillars - innovation and service, and each can be broken into multiple subsets. The part people seem to ignore is that not only do innovation careers require those STEM people, so does our high tech service industries. From people designing HVAC systems to building our bridges and more efficient methods of delivering our goods used everyday. We need more of that so we no longer have to import those essential positions from people who were born, raised and taught abroad because a high percentage of those people eventually return to their homelands and our nation's talent and skill leave with them.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 - A Trump l'oeil? Kepler's Laws of Election Motions? Ship of Fools

A board heavy on engineers and hard science values engineering and hard science. Couldn't have predicted that.

"If horses had gods, they would be horse-shaped." -- somebody I've forgotten; maybe Heraclitus, he was pretty sarcastic

There is more to education than animal training.

 

[GrinCDXX]

Re: Campaign 2016 - A Trump l'oeil? Kepler's Laws of Election Motions? Ship of Fools

USA! USA! USA!

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The apotheosis of democracy.

Edit: oops, I see this is a repeat. But I refuse to remove it -- it's our Golden Moment as a civilization.

I'd like to shake the hand of the news director that ok'd that segment.

 

[St. Clown]

Re: Campaign 2016 - A Trump l'oeil? Kepler's Laws of Election Motions? Ship of Fools

A board heavy on engineers and hard science values engineering and hard science. Couldn't have predicted that.

"If horses had gods, they would be horse-shaped." -- somebody I've forgotten; maybe Heraclitus, he was pretty sarcastic

There is more to education than animal training.

I have a liberal arts degree.

 

[joecct]

Yeah, that's why we should make people pay for the emergency room. Otherwise they won't appreciate it.

They do. Through their insurance (which everyone is supposed to have by now).

 

[SJHovey]

Re: Campaign 2016 - A Trump l'oeil? Kepler's Laws of Election Motions? Ship of Fools

Firstly, people reference underwater basket weaving for the very reason that it's not a real major - no school offers it. With that said, do you hear much about perennially out of work chemical engineers? Do you ever hear about perennially out of work artists? Of course you do - we all do. They even have at title - Starving Artists. We have too many people going into the BFA programs as the next Warhol, creating a surfeit of Warhols in the world.

Nobody's saying that art isn't important, or that understanding civics is something we could do without, but there's only so much of each that the world can bear. When it comes to art, it's everywhere, dang near pervasive in its ubiquity in the world. It's brought to us by so many factions, but it's not often brought to us by someone with a person who majored in art history. Architects, landscape designers, and artisits specializing in some sort of commercial outlet have all contributed to what we see without most of us taking the time to think about it. Still, we need more STEM focus than art focus in our schools these days. We need more STEM and fewer psych majors that never go on to get that master's or doctorates necessary to make use of their studies.

Our economy is built upon two main pillars - innovation and service, and each can be broken into multiple subsets. The part people seem to ignore is that not only do innovation careers require those STEM people, so does our high tech service industries. From people designing HVAC systems to building our bridges and more efficient methods of delivering our goods used everyday. We need more of that so we no longer have to import those essential positions from people who were born, raised and taught abroad because a high percentage of those people eventually return to their homelands and our nation's talent and skill leave with them.

So, what you're saying is the world needs more ditch diggers?

 

[French Rage]

Re: Campaign 2016 - A Trump l'oeil? Kepler's Laws of Election Motions? Ship of Fools

Firstly, people reference underwater basket weaving for the very reason that it's not a real major - no school offers it. With that said, do you hear much about perennially out of work chemical engineers? Do you ever hear about perennially out of work artists? Of course you do - we all do. They even have at title - Starving Artists. We have too many people going into the BFA programs as the next Warhol, creating a surfeit of Warhols in the world.

Nobody's saying that art isn't important, or that understanding civics is something we could do without, but there's only so much of each that the world can bear. When it comes to art, it's everywhere, dang near pervasive in its ubiquity in the world. It's brought to us by so many factions, but it's not often brought to us by someone with a person who majored in art history. Architects, landscape designers, and artisits specializing in some sort of commercial outlet have all contributed to what we see without most of us taking the time to think about it. Still, we need more STEM focus than art focus in our schools these days. We need more STEM and fewer psych majors that never go on to get that master's or doctorates necessary to make use of their studies.

Our economy is built upon two main pillars - innovation and service, and each can be broken into multiple subsets. The part people seem to ignore is that not only do innovation careers require those STEM people, so does our high tech service industries. From people designing HVAC systems to building our bridges and more efficient methods of delivering our goods used everyday. We need more of that so we no longer have to import those essential positions from people who were born, raised and taught abroad because a high percentage of those people eventually return to their homelands and our nation's talent and skill leave with them.

Another way to look at it. There is probably a market for someone with a Native American art history major, but it's probably very small, like maybe one person per year is needed somewhere with that skill. So if that is what interests you and you want to make a career out of it, fine, but also understand you need to study it real hard and do real well and be the best person in your graduating class across the entire country that year, or otherwise you will not find employment in your field. Now computer science, on the other hand, probably has a market of tens of thousands per year. So while you still need to do well (as there are probably more than that number graduating each year), you can still get by being #5000 rather than #1. Overall, if you want to do something esoteric that interests you, fine, but be aware of the supply and demand of what you're getting into, and realize you can't half-*** some less economical major since no one's going to hire someone mediocre in that field when the demand is already small enough as is.

 

[St. Clown]

Re: Campaign 2016 - A Trump l'oeil? Kepler's Laws of Election Motions? Ship of Fools

Another way to look at it. There is probably a market for someone with a Native American art history major, but it's probably very small, like maybe one person per year is needed somewhere with that skill. So if that is what interests you and you want to make a career out of it, fine, but also understand you need to study it real hard and do real well and be the best person in your graduating class across the entire country that year, or otherwise you will not find employment in your field. Now computer science, on the other hand, probably has a market of tens of thousands per year. So while you still need to do well (as there are probably more than that number graduating each year), you can still get by being #5000 rather than #1. Overall, if you want to do something esoteric that interests you, fine, but be aware of the supply and demand of what you're getting into, and realize you can't half-*** some less economical major since no one's going to hire someone mediocre in that field when the demand is already small enough as is.

Very well stated.

 

[Handyman]

Re: Campaign 2016 - A Trump l'oeil? Kepler's Laws of Election Motions? Ship of Fools

Firstly, people reference underwater basket weaving for the very reason that it's not a real major - no school offers it. With that said, do you hear much about perennially out of work chemical engineers? Do you ever hear about perennially out of work artists? Of course you do - we all do. They even have at title - Starving Artists. We have too many people going into the BFA programs as the next Warhol, creating a surfeit of Warhols in the world.

Nobody's saying that art isn't important, or that understanding civics is something we could do without, but there's only so much of each that the world can bear. When it comes to art, it's everywhere, dang near pervasive in its ubiquity in the world. It's brought to us by so many factions, but it's not often brought to us by someone with a person who majored in art history. Architects, landscape designers, and artisits specializing in some sort of commercial outlet have all contributed to what we see without most of us taking the time to think about it. Still, we need more STEM focus than art focus in our schools these days. We need more STEM and fewer psych majors that never go on to get that master's or doctorates necessary to make use of their studies.

Our economy is built upon two main pillars - innovation and service, and each can be broken into multiple subsets. The part people seem to ignore is that not only do innovation careers require those STEM people, so does our high tech service industries. From people designing HVAC systems to building our bridges and more efficient methods of delivering our goods used everyday. We need more of that so we no longer have to import those essential positions from people who were born, raised and taught abroad because a high percentage of those people eventually return to their homelands and our nation's talent and skill leave with them.

So if everyone goes into STEM then who is going to teach everything else? What about when there is too many people with STEM degrees and their value drops?

It isnt just about art, it is about the fact that if you ignore one to promote the other you are putting people at a disadvantage. Not everyone that gets a Lib Arts degree works fast food or as a barista, in fact plenty dont. This fallacy needs to end. We need to encourage kids to have great well rounded educations, not force them into STEM when that may not be what works for them. (I was terrible in STEM)

Mind you people need to understand the choices they make. If they get a degree in Russian Literature despite the fact that it limits your use of said degree that is their prerogative but the onus is on them then. Personally I think Obama has it right though he doesnt go far enough. Two years of education should be covered whether it is at Community/Tech or University. That is enough time to get your gen eds out of the way and decide on a major or if school is worth the effort. After that becomes a whole nother argument but I see no harm in giving everyone the chance to see if college is for them without making them take out 20k in loans.

 

[Handyman]

Re: Campaign 2016 - A Trump l'oeil? Kepler's Laws of Election Motions? Ship of Fools

Another way to look at it. There is probably a market for someone with a Native American art history major, but it's probably very small, like maybe one person per year is needed somewhere with that skill. So if that is what interests you and you want to make a career out of it, fine, but also understand you need to study it real hard and do real well and be the best person in your graduating class across the entire country that year, or otherwise you will not find employment in your field. Now computer science, on the other hand, probably has a market of tens of thousands per year. So while you still need to do well (as there are probably more than that number graduating each year), you can still get by being #5000 rather than #1. Overall, if you want to do something esoteric that interests you, fine, but be aware of the supply and demand of what you're getting into, and realize you can't half-*** some less economical major since no one's going to hire someone mediocre in that field when the demand is already small enough as is.

You said it better than me

 

[St. Clown]

Re: Campaign 2016 - A Trump l'oeil? Kepler's Laws of Election Motions? Ship of Fools

So if everyone goes into STEM then who is going to teach everything else? What about when there is too many people with STEM degrees and their value drops?

It isnt just about art, it is about the fact that if you ignore one to promote the other you are putting people at a disadvantage. Not everyone that gets a Lib Arts degree works fast food or as a barista, in fact plenty dont. This fallacy needs to end. We need to encourage kids to have great well rounded educations, not force them into STEM when that may not be what works for them. (I was terrible in STEM)

Mind you people need to understand the choices they make. If they get a degree in Russian Literature despite the fact that it limits your use of said degree that is their prerogative but the onus is on them then. Personally I think Obama has it right though he doesnt go far enough. Two years of education should be covered whether it is at Community/Tech or University. That is enough time to get your gen eds out of the way and decide on a major or if school is worth the effort. After that becomes a whole nother argument but I see no harm in giving everyone the chance to see if college is for them without making them take out 20k in loans.

Promoting STEM isn'g going to force everybody over to them, it'll nudge those who are at the margins. People should already know what majors offer the greatest potential for income going into school, yet we still see more people getting teaching, psych, art, etc. degrees than there are positions available in those fields, hence I had a guy driving my transit bus a few years ago while holding a european history degree (I forget the specific title, but know that it was history).

$20k in debt upon graduation? Get with the times, Handy! It's a minimum $30k these days. Sheesh!

 

[Spartanforlife4]

Promoting STEM isn'g going to force everybody over to them, it'll nudge those who are at the margins. People should already know what majors offer the greatest potential for income going into school, yet we still see more people getting teaching, psych, art, etc. degrees than there are positions available in those fields, hence I had a guy driving my transit bus a few years ago while holding a european history degree (I forget the specific title, but know that it was history).

$20k in debt upon graduation? Get with the times, Handy! It's a minimum $30k these days. Sheesh!

The general consensus seems to be there are too many teachers, yet most news stories I hear talk about the shortage of teachers. Either way, no way I would become a teacher nowadays with the anti-union sentiment. The benefits were one of the giant pros of becoming a teacher, now they're getting stripped yearly.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Campaign 2016 - A Trump l'oeil? Kepler's Laws of Election Motions? Ship of Fools

The general consensus seems to be there are too many teachers, yet most news stories I hear talk about the shortage of teachers. Either way, no way I would become a teacher nowadays with the anti-union sentiment. The benefits were one of the giant pros of becoming a teacher, now they're getting stripped yearly.

And getting paid **** compared to the private sector. They spent years using benefits as raises. Now that they've stripped the benefits they haven't made it up in salary. It's ridiculous.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 - A Trump l'oeil? Kepler's Laws of Election Motions? Ship of Fools

Get someone else to do your dirty work, Jeb! You're not up to it.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Campaign 2016 - A Trump l'oeil? Kepler's Laws of Election Motions? Ship of Fools

Never ceases to amaze me how these clowns are strict constructionists until they want the thing changed.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-...-birthright-citizens-brigade?cid=sm_fb_maddow

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 - A Trump l'oeil? Kepler's Laws of Election Motions? Ship of Fools

Young Republicans at work in Southie.

 

[St. Clown]

Re: Campaign 2016 - A Trump l'oeil? Kepler's Laws of Election Motions? Ship of Fools

The general consensus seems to be there are too many teachers, yet most news stories I hear talk about the shortage of teachers. Either way, no way I would become a teacher nowadays with the anti-union sentiment. The benefits were one of the giant pros of becoming a teacher, now they're getting stripped yearly.

I know there are certain states where teachers are in short supply, like Indiana where the state legislature has looked a lot like Kansas in regards to teachers lately. I have a couple friends here in MN who are teachers, and it's been a battle for them to find teaching jobs almost yearly until the last job the two of them both took, both in growing school districts.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Re: Campaign 2016 - A Trump l'oeil? Kepler's Laws of Election Motions? Ship of Fools

My impression is that there is a shortage of teachers in regions/neighborhoods where many teachers don't want to work (inner city black districts with a lot of gang violence, rural white hick districts that don't pay well). And conversely, a glut of them competing for the handful of jobs each year that open up in suburban upper-middle class areas.

EDIT: Additionally, the demand is for teachers who can teach those blasted STEM subjects, not more art, music, and French teachers.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 - A Trump l'oeil? Kepler's Laws of Election Motions? Ship of Fools

The international stories are even better.

 

[Twitch Boy]

Re: Campaign 2016 - A Trump l'oeil? Kepler's Laws of Election Motions? Ship of Fools

The international stories are even better.

Search YouTube for "Taiwanese news animation." You'll thank me. (And be warned, some of them can be NSFW.)