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Campaign 2016 - A Trump l'oeil? Kepler's Laws of Election Motions? Ship of Fools?
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Re: Campaign 2016 - A Trump l'oeil? Kepler's Laws of Election Motions? Ship of Fools
The people who make up the GOP have changed. Used to be the fundies were a minority of the base, or to put it another way, fundie issues weren't the biggest concern of most of the voters. Yes, they may have vaguely opposed abortion or gays, but it wasn't a priority unlike defeating the Soviets or getting a tax cut. The Soviets have been gone for awhile, but the gimme a tax cut crowd stuck around throughout the 90's although Clinton started peeling them off, particularly by the time of his re-election.
The problem occured when the GOP sold its soul to elect and re-elect George W Bush. In one disasterous Presidency, he killed the notion that tax cuts for the rich benefits anybody (except for the rich). Who really believes that anymore? He killed the idea that you could trust Republicans on foreign policy. The Iraq War is the most foolhardy foreign policy decision in US history! Worse, the party is STILL wedded to it (witness Jebbers! recent comments, or Mittens during last election). Finally, the whole christian coalition derp reached the forefront, with an anti-gay campaign to drive turnout in 2004, a climate change denier in the white house, and one who thinks public schools should teach creationism.
Simply put, the moderates left. Republicans as a share of the totals I believe have declined even though they own the South + Appalachia now. So who's remaining? The people who think voting Republican is God's Work. No amount of money is going to deny these people, because now they have the votes.
The people who make up the GOP have changed. Used to be the fundies were a minority of the base, or to put it another way, fundie issues weren't the biggest concern of most of the voters. Yes, they may have vaguely opposed abortion or gays, but it wasn't a priority unlike defeating the Soviets or getting a tax cut. The Soviets have been gone for awhile, but the gimme a tax cut crowd stuck around throughout the 90's although Clinton started peeling them off, particularly by the time of his re-election.
The problem occured when the GOP sold its soul to elect and re-elect George W Bush. In one disasterous Presidency, he killed the notion that tax cuts for the rich benefits anybody (except for the rich). Who really believes that anymore? He killed the idea that you could trust Republicans on foreign policy. The Iraq War is the most foolhardy foreign policy decision in US history! Worse, the party is STILL wedded to it (witness Jebbers! recent comments, or Mittens during last election). Finally, the whole christian coalition derp reached the forefront, with an anti-gay campaign to drive turnout in 2004, a climate change denier in the white house, and one who thinks public schools should teach creationism.
Simply put, the moderates left. Republicans as a share of the totals I believe have declined even though they own the South + Appalachia now. So who's remaining? The people who think voting Republican is God's Work. No amount of money is going to deny these people, because now they have the votes.
Re: Campaign 2016 - A Trump l'oeil? Kepler's Laws of Election Motions? Ship of Fools
Hispanic or Latino?
http://www.vox.com/2015/8/19/9173457/hispanic-latino-comic
Hispanic or Latino?
http://www.vox.com/2015/8/19/9173457/hispanic-latino-comic
Foxton
Banned
Re: Campaign 2016 - A Trump l'oeil? Kepler's Laws of Election Motions? Ship of Fools
It flat out doesn't matter because they are still saying these and there are people who are nodding their heads in agreement.
Re: Campaign 2016 - A Trump l'oeil? Kepler's Laws of Election Motions? Ship of Fools
Must-see TV!
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Thanks to our friends at <a href="https://twitter.com/BadLipReading">@BadLipReading</a> for this gem-- has the office crying due to all of the laughs: <a href="https://t.co/p63NJLMOsv">https://t.co/p63NJLMOsv</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/FoxNews?src=hash">#FoxNews</a></p>— Bret Baier (@BretBaier) <a href="https://twitter.com/BretBaier/status/634055009433448452">August 19, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Must-see TV!
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Thanks to our friends at <a href="https://twitter.com/BadLipReading">@BadLipReading</a> for this gem-- has the office crying due to all of the laughs: <a href="https://t.co/p63NJLMOsv">https://t.co/p63NJLMOsv</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/FoxNews?src=hash">#FoxNews</a></p>— Bret Baier (@BretBaier) <a href="https://twitter.com/BretBaier/status/634055009433448452">August 19, 2015</a></blockquote>
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mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Re: Campaign 2016 - A Trump l'oeil? Kepler's Laws of Election Motions? Ship of Fools
maybe it's time they interpret the constitution as a 'living breathing document' like the libs do too.
nothing wrong with that, no?
maybe it's time they interpret the constitution as a 'living breathing document' like the libs do too.
nothing wrong with that, no?
Re: Campaign 2016 - A Trump l'oeil? Kepler's Laws of Election Motions? Ship of Fools
Speaking of The Donald, here is his immigration policy in toto.
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform
Speaking of The Donald, here is his immigration policy in toto.
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 - A Trump l'oeil? Kepler's Laws of Election Motions? Ship of Fools
Bernie's latest email:
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Wall Street's greed, recklessness, and illegal behavior drove this country into the worst recession since the Great Depression. For too long, this billionaire class has corrupted our political system. We must act decisively to make our economy fair again.
Wall Street's dangerous manipulation of our economy has helped divert most of all new income to the top one percent, contributing to the most unequal level of wealth and income distribution of any major country on earth.
Today, we live in the richest country in the history of the world, but that reality means little because much of that wealth is controlled by a tiny handful of individuals. The skyrocketing level of income and wealth inequality is not only grotesque and immoral, it is economically unsustainable.
The reality is that for the past 40 years, Wall Street and the billionaire class have rigged the rules to redistribute wealth and income to the wealthiest and most powerful people in this country. As a result, Wall Street exists as an island unto itself, benefiting only the extremely wealthy while using our money to get rich.
That ends when I am president. Let me tell you what I'm going to do, then sign on to endorse my plan to take on Wall Street.
Tax Wall Street Speculation to Make College Tuition Free
Too many firms on Wall Street using high-speed trading to try to make a quick buck. But it's risky and unproductive. Banks can execute thousands of stock trades a second thanks to sophisticated computer algorithms.
Wall Street can keep doing this if it wants—but they'll have to pay a tax on every one of those trades. And this tax on Wall Street speculation would be enough to pay for my plan to make tuition free at every public college or university.
Break Up Banks that are Too Big to Fail
In the midst of all of this grotesque inequality in our country sits a handful of financial institutions that are still so large, the failure of any one would cause catastrophic risk to millions of Americans and send the world economy into crisis.
Most of the major Wall Street financial institutions that we bailed out because they were "too big to fail" are now bigger than they used to be. The six largest financial institutions now have assets equivalent to nearly 60% of our GDP, issue 35% of the mortgages, and oversee 65% of credit cards.
My view: If it's too big to fail, it's too big to exist. That's the bottom line. As president, I will break up the big banks and restore some sanity to our banking system.
Make Banking Boring: Reign in the Recklessness
Banking should be boring. It shouldn't be about making as much profit as possible by gambling on esoteric financial products. The goal of banking should be to provide affordable loans to small and medium-sized businesses in the productive economy, and to Americans who need to purchase homes and cars.
That is not what these huge financial institutions are doing. They're instead creating an economy which is not sustainable from a moral, economic, or political perspective. It's a rigged economy that must be changed in fundamental ways.
We need banks that invest in the job-creating productive economy. We do not need more speculation with the American economy hanging in the balance.
Unrig the Tax System
Our tax system is wildly unfair — rigged to benefit the very rich. Major corporations that earn billions in profits stash their money in tax havens and pay nothing in federal income taxes, while billionaire hedge fund managers pay a lower effective tax rate than nurses or teachers.
In order to reverse the massive transfer of wealth and income from the middle class to the very rich that we have seen in recent years, we need real tax reform which makes the wealthy and profitable corporations begin to pay their fair share of taxes. It is fiscally irresponsible that the U.S. Treasury loses about $100 billion a year because corporations and the rich stash their profits in the Cayman Islands, Bermuda and other tax havens.
We need a tax system which is fair and progressive. Children should not go hungry in this country while profitable corporations and the wealthy avoid their tax responsibilities.
We Can Do This
The issue of wealth and income inequality is the great moral issue of our time, it is the great economic issue of our time, and it is the great political issue of our time.
I can understand how this might feel daunting. We are up against a billionaire class that has bought our political system to enrich itself, and is now faced with the breakup of their oligarchy.
Know this: when people come together to organize, we can beat any amount of money thrown around by the Koch Brothers, Goldman Sachs executives, or anyone else.
Our political revolution is underway, and when it is built, we will win not just against Wall Street, but we will win the White House.
Bernie's latest email:
- - -
Wall Street's greed, recklessness, and illegal behavior drove this country into the worst recession since the Great Depression. For too long, this billionaire class has corrupted our political system. We must act decisively to make our economy fair again.
Wall Street's dangerous manipulation of our economy has helped divert most of all new income to the top one percent, contributing to the most unequal level of wealth and income distribution of any major country on earth.
Today, we live in the richest country in the history of the world, but that reality means little because much of that wealth is controlled by a tiny handful of individuals. The skyrocketing level of income and wealth inequality is not only grotesque and immoral, it is economically unsustainable.
The reality is that for the past 40 years, Wall Street and the billionaire class have rigged the rules to redistribute wealth and income to the wealthiest and most powerful people in this country. As a result, Wall Street exists as an island unto itself, benefiting only the extremely wealthy while using our money to get rich.
That ends when I am president. Let me tell you what I'm going to do, then sign on to endorse my plan to take on Wall Street.
Tax Wall Street Speculation to Make College Tuition Free
Too many firms on Wall Street using high-speed trading to try to make a quick buck. But it's risky and unproductive. Banks can execute thousands of stock trades a second thanks to sophisticated computer algorithms.
Wall Street can keep doing this if it wants—but they'll have to pay a tax on every one of those trades. And this tax on Wall Street speculation would be enough to pay for my plan to make tuition free at every public college or university.
Break Up Banks that are Too Big to Fail
In the midst of all of this grotesque inequality in our country sits a handful of financial institutions that are still so large, the failure of any one would cause catastrophic risk to millions of Americans and send the world economy into crisis.
Most of the major Wall Street financial institutions that we bailed out because they were "too big to fail" are now bigger than they used to be. The six largest financial institutions now have assets equivalent to nearly 60% of our GDP, issue 35% of the mortgages, and oversee 65% of credit cards.
My view: If it's too big to fail, it's too big to exist. That's the bottom line. As president, I will break up the big banks and restore some sanity to our banking system.
Make Banking Boring: Reign in the Recklessness
Banking should be boring. It shouldn't be about making as much profit as possible by gambling on esoteric financial products. The goal of banking should be to provide affordable loans to small and medium-sized businesses in the productive economy, and to Americans who need to purchase homes and cars.
That is not what these huge financial institutions are doing. They're instead creating an economy which is not sustainable from a moral, economic, or political perspective. It's a rigged economy that must be changed in fundamental ways.
We need banks that invest in the job-creating productive economy. We do not need more speculation with the American economy hanging in the balance.
Unrig the Tax System
Our tax system is wildly unfair — rigged to benefit the very rich. Major corporations that earn billions in profits stash their money in tax havens and pay nothing in federal income taxes, while billionaire hedge fund managers pay a lower effective tax rate than nurses or teachers.
In order to reverse the massive transfer of wealth and income from the middle class to the very rich that we have seen in recent years, we need real tax reform which makes the wealthy and profitable corporations begin to pay their fair share of taxes. It is fiscally irresponsible that the U.S. Treasury loses about $100 billion a year because corporations and the rich stash their profits in the Cayman Islands, Bermuda and other tax havens.
We need a tax system which is fair and progressive. Children should not go hungry in this country while profitable corporations and the wealthy avoid their tax responsibilities.
We Can Do This
The issue of wealth and income inequality is the great moral issue of our time, it is the great economic issue of our time, and it is the great political issue of our time.
I can understand how this might feel daunting. We are up against a billionaire class that has bought our political system to enrich itself, and is now faced with the breakup of their oligarchy.
Know this: when people come together to organize, we can beat any amount of money thrown around by the Koch Brothers, Goldman Sachs executives, or anyone else.
Our political revolution is underway, and when it is built, we will win not just against Wall Street, but we will win the White House.
Foxton
Banned
Re: Campaign 2016 - A Trump l'oeil? Kepler's Laws of Election Motions? Ship of Fools
The republican mouthpiece and how there is no war on women.
https://youtu.be/DEoWSaM61NI
The republican mouthpiece and how there is no war on women.
https://youtu.be/DEoWSaM61NI
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 - A Trump l'oeil? Kepler's Laws of Election Motions? Ship of Fools
Well put it this way. If Bernie won with that platform he could claim an actual mandate. It's not like he's being subtle.
Think of how much the hard right accomplished in the last 30 years. If we can move the Overton window as effectively as they did, we can claw our country back little by little. The real opposition right now is inside the Democratic party, because the GOP screams like a scalded baby whenever anybody suggests anything that's not their Gilded Age claptrap.
The best time for a real change was 2008, but we might as well start an Inception of these ideas now so that the next time the plutocrats crash the planet we'll be ready.
Be optimistic, comrades.
Well put it this way. If Bernie won with that platform he could claim an actual mandate. It's not like he's being subtle.
Think of how much the hard right accomplished in the last 30 years. If we can move the Overton window as effectively as they did, we can claw our country back little by little. The real opposition right now is inside the Democratic party, because the GOP screams like a scalded baby whenever anybody suggests anything that's not their Gilded Age claptrap.
The best time for a real change was 2008, but we might as well start an Inception of these ideas now so that the next time the plutocrats crash the planet we'll be ready.
Be optimistic, comrades.
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Re: Campaign 2016 - A Trump l'oeil? Kepler's Laws of Election Motions? Ship of Fools
I think an all Dem congress could get away with a transaction tax on computer generated Wall St trading. Beyond that I'm not sure what his proposals are. Banking doesn't merely exist to finance middle class mortgages and small businesses so I'm not sure where he's going with that one. There's nothing wrong with a bank financing a Fortune 500 company expansion or a multi million dollar development. Obviously we should crack down on offshore tax shelters and I'd love to see the proposal on that. Not sure what his standand is for too big to fail but he needs to quantify that.
I think an all Dem congress could get away with a transaction tax on computer generated Wall St trading. Beyond that I'm not sure what his proposals are. Banking doesn't merely exist to finance middle class mortgages and small businesses so I'm not sure where he's going with that one. There's nothing wrong with a bank financing a Fortune 500 company expansion or a multi million dollar development. Obviously we should crack down on offshore tax shelters and I'd love to see the proposal on that. Not sure what his standand is for too big to fail but he needs to quantify that.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: Campaign 2016 - A Trump l'oeil? Kepler's Laws of Election Motions? Ship of Fools
Dismissing the fact that he's correct on all counts. Tearing down Glass–Steagall is the biggest mistake Clinton made. NAFTA being another.
Dismissing the fact that he's correct on all counts. Tearing down Glass–Steagall is the biggest mistake Clinton made. NAFTA being another.
walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
Re: Campaign 2016 - A Trump l'oeil? Kepler's Laws of Election Motions? Ship of Fools
Teddy time, break up the too big to fail banks.Well put it this way. If Bernie won with that platform he could claim an actual mandate. It's not like he's being subtle.
Think of how much the hard right accomplished in the last 30 years. If we can move the Overton window as effectively as they did, we can claw our country back little by little. The real opposition right now is inside the Democratic party, because the GOP screams like a scalded baby whenever anybody suggests anything that's not their Gilded Age claptrap.
The best time for a real change was 2008, but we might as well start an Inception of these ideas now so that the next time the plutocrats crash the planet we'll be ready.
Be optimistic, comrades.
Re: Campaign 2016 - A Trump l'oeil? Kepler's Laws of Election Motions? Ship of Fools
Glass-Steagall repeal was a terrible idea. NAFTA wasn't bad because while Mexico is a lower wage country people there aren't necessarily working for slave wages like they are in China. I'd say NAFTA ended up being about even overall which is in no way an endorsement of other trade deals.
Glass-Steagall repeal was a terrible idea. NAFTA wasn't bad because while Mexico is a lower wage country people there aren't necessarily working for slave wages like they are in China. I'd say NAFTA ended up being about even overall which is in no way an endorsement of other trade deals.
St. Clown
Liberal Rebel Scum, apparently
Re: Campaign 2016 - A Trump l'oeil? Kepler's Laws of Election Motions? Ship of Fools
He's not correct on all accounts, he just sounds like a politician on all accounts. What will making college tuition free do to make America a booming nation again? How does he know what tuition will cost from year to year? The increase in tuition at colleges and universities increases by 7-13% each year since I was in school. Inflation has run from 2-3.5% annually for the past decade. How fast does he expect his new tax will grow? The number of transactions on the exchanges aren't grown 7-13% earch year.
Besides that, sending kids to school to have them all study poetry or underwater basket weaving isn't going to do us any good. We need to refocus our kids towards STEM courses, find a way to get their interests flowing in a direction that will help aid our high tech economy. Psychology degree holders that end up asking if you want fries with that might be cliched, but it's not far off. Sure, it's more like they're asking what you want on your double-something machiatto, but it's the same net effect only now with more caffeine.
Free trade is not a mistake. Free trade has likely kept us out of wars. Who doubts that an aggressive China has been tempered by its business class the same way the US has been to some extent or another? Without free trade, without those business interests in foreign lands, we have no idea how far Bush would've pushed our nation in search of war. Given the sabre rattling coming from China in the Yellow Sea/Sea of China, without concerns from both nations' business classes and the normalization of trade relations between us and them, I'm confident we'd have seen at least some degree of bloodshed by now. If we think Mexico has its problems with drug running and growing now, without American businesses relocating there, they'd likely be all the more overrun with poverty, increasing the temptations of their youth to join the gangs that have ravaged their lands, already sending their poor sneaking across the border to the US. Whether you like it or not, NAFTA is probably saving lives.
He's not correct on all accounts, he just sounds like a politician on all accounts. What will making college tuition free do to make America a booming nation again? How does he know what tuition will cost from year to year? The increase in tuition at colleges and universities increases by 7-13% each year since I was in school. Inflation has run from 2-3.5% annually for the past decade. How fast does he expect his new tax will grow? The number of transactions on the exchanges aren't grown 7-13% earch year.
Besides that, sending kids to school to have them all study poetry or underwater basket weaving isn't going to do us any good. We need to refocus our kids towards STEM courses, find a way to get their interests flowing in a direction that will help aid our high tech economy. Psychology degree holders that end up asking if you want fries with that might be cliched, but it's not far off. Sure, it's more like they're asking what you want on your double-something machiatto, but it's the same net effect only now with more caffeine.
Free trade is not a mistake. Free trade has likely kept us out of wars. Who doubts that an aggressive China has been tempered by its business class the same way the US has been to some extent or another? Without free trade, without those business interests in foreign lands, we have no idea how far Bush would've pushed our nation in search of war. Given the sabre rattling coming from China in the Yellow Sea/Sea of China, without concerns from both nations' business classes and the normalization of trade relations between us and them, I'm confident we'd have seen at least some degree of bloodshed by now. If we think Mexico has its problems with drug running and growing now, without American businesses relocating there, they'd likely be all the more overrun with poverty, increasing the temptations of their youth to join the gangs that have ravaged their lands, already sending their poor sneaking across the border to the US. Whether you like it or not, NAFTA is probably saving lives.
Re: Campaign 2016 - A Trump l'oeil? Kepler's Laws of Election Motions? Ship of Fools
He's a bit (!) of a blowhard, but it looks like Howie Carr is firmly in the tank for Trump. Or, he thinks the rest of the field is a joke.
He's a bit (!) of a blowhard, but it looks like Howie Carr is firmly in the tank for Trump. Or, he thinks the rest of the field is a joke.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 - A Trump l'oeil? Kepler's Laws of Election Motions? Ship of Fools
I had to think about this for a full minute before "Teddy" meant Roosevelt, not Donato.
I had to think about this for a full minute before "Teddy" meant Roosevelt, not Donato.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: Campaign 2016 - A Trump l'oeil? Kepler's Laws of Election Motions? Ship of Fools
Yeah, all that free trade with the Middle East has kept us out of a lot of wars. As for college the US has ripped the Middle Class apart while at the same time destroying the buying power of kids just out of college who are the replacements for the middle class. Good Economic plan there. Let's give another tax break to oil companies while we're at it.
Yeah, all that free trade with the Middle East has kept us out of a lot of wars. As for college the US has ripped the Middle Class apart while at the same time destroying the buying power of kids just out of college who are the replacements for the middle class. Good Economic plan there. Let's give another tax break to oil companies while we're at it.
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