Campaign 2014: The Epic Struggle To Win The Senate And Change Nothing

[FreshFish]

Re: Campaign 2014: The Epic Struggle To Win The Senate And Change Nothing

The only Republican that could challenge her this time is a moderate woman. Does the GOP have any more of those in the senate or govs?

Susana Martinez, governor of New Mexico. She just won re-election 57% to 43%.

No more Senators from either party for President for awhile, please! although a Marco Rubio candidacy might be pretty formidable...

 

[5mn_Major]

Re: Campaign 2014: The Epic Struggle To Win The Senate And Change Nothing

It's worse than that. The liberal record is of achievements that did make people's lives better, and that were fought tooth and nail by the right. Liberals made women's suffrage, child labor laws, unions, food and drug regulation, the minimum wage, the expansion of the middle class, social security, Head Start, and Medicare happen, always fighting the usual constellation of "it's immoral" / "it's communism" emotional scare tactics. When conservatives abandoned the great start they had made on environmental protection, we carried on. We even made financial regulation happen for a while, ensuring a 70-year period without a huge economic disaster, until the money finally corrupted even us and led us into another depression.

Liberalism works, but liberals just won't take the gloves off. We are forever turning the other cheek, which is great theology but lousy politics.

Well said. Although IMO Dems are not about 'turning the other cheek', yet rather playing the prisoners dilemma political game in a way that burns them. Problem is they're facing a party of Limbaughs. And Rush just criticizes to cover the fact that he has no solutions.

GOP: time to lead and break this mold.

 

[joecct]

Well said. Although IMO Dems are not about 'turning the other cheek', yet rather playing the prisoners dilemma political game in a way that burns them. Problem is they're facing a party of Limbaughs. And Rush just criticizes to cover the fact that he has no solutions.

GOP: time to lead and break this mold.

The GOP did lead the last time they held the Congress. Trouble is they went disastrously down the wrong path.

Lead and be smart about it.

 

[Kepler]

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"feed hungry people"? I'm all for it. Force people to do so by confiscating their money and creating a "right to be fed" that never existed anywhere before? not so much. People "should" help those in need because it is the right thing to do; people in need do not have a right to be helped through government coercion.

What do you do when, after everybody who volunteers to feed hungry people has done so, there are still hungry people?

Everybody wants to say "people should be free of constraint to do what their conscience tell them to do." How can you argue with that? But what happens when doing so screws other people? Conservatives never have an answer for that, because their real anwer, when you dispense with all the hand-waving, is "my right to pile up an infinite amount of property is more important than your right to a decent life."

 

[joecct]

What do you do when, after everybody who volunteers to feed hungry people has done so, there are still hungry people?

And, unfortunately, under the current governments around the world, there will always be hungry people.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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What do you do when, after everybody who volunteers to feed hungry people has done so, there are still hungry people?

Everybody wants to say "people should be free of constraint to do what their conscience tell them to do." How can you argue with that? But what happens when doing so screws other people? Conservatives never have an answer for that.

Sure they do. It's like their alternative to Obamacare. The "Just Die" insurance plan.

 

[Kepler]

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And, unfortunately, under the current governments around the world, there will always be hungry people.

There actually do not have to be. We have plenty of food. It's a systems engineering problem of designing the right distribution network and a cultural problem of getting people not to have fifteen freaking kids.

We could stop starvation tomorrow with anti-corruption measures and women's education. Anti-corruption to keep third world governments from stealing aid, and women's education because, funny thing, when women have opportunities they don't want to be nothing but a man's cum receptacle and spawn incubator anymore.

 

[Old Pio]

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Keep your eye on Mia Love in Utah. Female, black, LDS, uber articulate, handsome.

 

[Old Pio]

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There actually do not have to be. We have plenty of food. It's a systems engineering problem of designing the right distribution network and a cultural problem of getting people not to have fifteen freaking kids.

And, as Cosby has pointed out, not spending their limited resources on the latest Air Jordan's instead of food for the kids.

 

[JF_Gophers]

There actually do not have to be. We have plenty of food. It's a systems engineering problem of designing the right distribution network and a cultural problem of getting people not to have fifteen freaking kids.

We could stop starvation tomorrow with anti-corruption measures and women's education. Anti-corruption to keep third world governments from stealing aid, and women's education because, funny thing, when women have opportunities they don't want to be nothing but a man's lifelong spawn incubator anymore.

Canibalism would solve the problem.

 

[Old Pio]

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Canibalism would solve the problem.

Years ago, CU students named the new grill in the union after Alferd E. Packer, noted Colorado cannibal.

 

[unofan]

Thomas Sowell had a brilliant riposte to this concept. I paraphrase:

Clearly spoken like someone who has never taken an econ 101 course our learned about things like market failures and tragedies of the commons.

The mob is not always right, which is why things like rights for the minorities exist and regulations of the market are required.

I'll take one nobel laureate on a given subject over a mob of Forrest Gumps any day.

 

[joecct]

There actually do not have to be. We have plenty of food. It's a systems engineering problem of designing the right distribution network and a cultural problem of getting people not to have fifteen freaking kids.

We could stop starvation tomorrow with anti-corruption measures and women's education. Anti-corruption to keep third world governments from stealing aid, and women's education because, funny thing, when women have opportunities they don't want to be nothing but a man's cum receptacle and spawn incubator anymore.

Which is why I said under the current governments. However, 100% coverage, while desirable, may not be possible even under the ideal circumstances.

 

[joecct]

Sure they do. It's like their alternative to Obamacare. The "Just Die" insurance plan.

Everyone cashes in on that plan.

 

[Old Pio]

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Clearly spoken like someone who has never taken an econ 101 course our learned about things like market failures and tragedies of the commons.

The mob is not always right, which is why things like rights for the minorities exist and regulations of the market are required.

I'll take one nobel laureate on a given subject over a mob of Forrest Gumps any day.

What title would you prefer he had? Fuehrer? Duce? Generalissimo? Another ringing endorsement of democracy.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Everyone cashes in on that plan.

It sure would save a lot of money.

 

[Kepler]

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Which is why I said under the current governments. However, 100% coverage, while desirable, may not be possible even under the ideal circumstances.

The only practical exceptions to 100% I can think of are emergencies -- say, the harvest fails in an out of reach area and people are going to die before food reaches them. But I think we could build strategic non-perishable food and water reserves all over the world with distribution networks that would activate in emergencies for a fraction of what the world spends on arms. We might be able to do the same with drugs for major illnesses (though those might be perishable, in which case you would want strategically-placed emergency drug fabrication facilities rather than reserves).

 

[Old Pio]

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The only practical exceptions to 100% I can think of are emergencies -- say, the harvest fails in an out of reach area and people are going to die before food reaches them. But I think we could build strategic non-perishable food and water reserves all over the world with distribution networks that would activate in emergencies for a fraction of what the world spends on arms. We might be able to do the same with drugs for major illnesses (though those might be perishable, in which case you would want strategically-placed emergency drug fabrication facilities rather than reserves).

Lots of good ideas for spending OPM, no?

 

[JF_Gophers]

Lots of good ideas for spending OPM, no?

Use confiscated drug cartel funds.

 

[Twitch Boy]

Re: Campaign 2014: The Epic Struggle To Win The Senate And Change Nothing

Morning after in AK...

Governor's race still too close to call, Independent Bill Walker led slightly over Republican Sean Parnell all through the night.

Republican Dan Sullivan has the Senate seat pretty well locked up, but Dem Mark Begich is refusing to concede.

Republican Don Young easily holds off Democrat Forrest Dunbar for Alaska's only House seat.

Marijuana legalization passes 52-48. Smoke 'em if you got 'em.

Minimum wage increase to $9.75 passes easily.

Proposition to require legislative approval for the infamous "pebble mine" (a large-scale mining project over a major salmon spawn site in Bristol Bay) passes easily.

Dan Sullivan's municipal labor bargaining proposition (basically would have allowed the muni to negotiate binding labor decisions instead of going to mediation/arbitration) repealed.