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Campaign 2014: The Epic Struggle To Win The Senate And Change Nothing

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Kepler said:
True. Anders Breivik was partly inspired by anti-immigration screeds by American fundamentalists.

I am an optimist (albeit in a tangential way), but I choose to believe that the depths of the Great Recession, with all the Obama hatred and immigrant hatred and fundy zealotry here, and all the Neo-Nazi crap in Europe, was Peak Derp. The brownshirts are always there, under the surface, waiting for popular discontent so they can blame minorities or intellectuals or social liberals, but we may have weathered it this time. Nobody (and this utterly amazes me) has gotten off a shot at Obama. Breivik was horrendous, obviously, and shows what these guys are capable of, but it was a single incident, not a mass movement. There are Nazis in the Greek legislature and UKIP in Parliament, but they aren't the majority party.

And that was a bad world financial crisis, and it came right at the heart (not coincidentally) of an atrocious war motivated in basic ways by the dumbest religious fanaticism on both sides, and in other ways by economic elites fattening their bank accounts.

It could always unravel at any time, of course -- it always can -- but if you looked at the risk factors for a lunatic far right junta seizing power in one or more western democracies, the 2002-08 period scored high across the board. They even had legions of Father Coughlins dominating the air waves, and still it didn't happen. We could have had a repeat of the 1930s, but there were just too many educated and tolerant people who beat them back. Maybe Democracy has adapted a new part of its immune system. Maybe the US in particular is growing diverse enough that the old product "quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand" just won't sell here anymore.
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Now that Elizabeth Clare Prophet is dead, there's room in her bunker.
 
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Kepler said:
Maybe the US in particular is growing diverse enough that the old product "quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand" just won't sell here anymore.
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This product is packaged and sold in many different ways, not just by the fundies you are so quick to rail against.
 
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Bob Gray said:
This product is packaged and sold in many different ways, not just by the fundies you are so quick to rail against.
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I agree there are lots of flavors of reactionaries out there. But they do tend to cluster around the cross, the flag, and the sword. It's the old formula of the right. The old formula of the left is the hammer, the sickle, and... I dunno... the ration card?
 
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Kepler said:
I agree there are lots of flavors of reactionaries out there. But they do tend to cluster around the cross, the flag, and the sword. It's the old formula of the right. The old formula of the left is the hammer, the sickle, and... I dunno... the ration card?
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Tax bill
 
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Kepler said:
I agree there are lots of flavors of reactionaries out there. But they do tend to cluster around the cross, the flag, and the sword. It's the old formula of the right. The old formula of the left is the hammer, the sickle, and... I dunno... the ration card?
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I'd throw in things like the environment, diversity, equality, all worthy things, but at times very abused in how they are applied. And people who aren't on board with a particular flavor are vilified.
 
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MadTownSioux said:
DSCC gives up on Allison Grimes vs. Mitch McConnell.
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Or it signals that they've decided the Grimes campaign has plenty of cash to get to the finish line on its own and it would make more sense to use their money elsewhere. It wouldn't really make any sense for them to be "giving up".
 
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GrinCDXX said:
Or it signals that they've decided the Grimes campaign has plenty of cash to get to the finish line on its own and it would make more sense to use their money elsewhere. It wouldn't really make any sense for them to be "giving up".
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Yeah, I don't buy it either. The last 3 polls were McConnell +3, McConnell +2, and Grimes +2. Hardly time to punt. This may signal some rupture between the Grimes campaign and the DSCC on tactics, though -- Grimes played the immigraniada card and that can't make them happy.

Or it may be that the DNC plan all along (not Grimes', obviously) was to force the NRSC to open a vein defending the sitting minority leader.
 
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I don't know the particulars of the KY race, but sometimes the national parties pull out of a race while conveniently outside groups step in.

However, the larger point made by Kep is correct. These are the "margin of error" races for Senate: NC, AK, LA, GA, AL, SD, KY, IA, CO, KS. Given that each party has plenty of money, there's no reason to cut loose on any of these places.
 
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Which deep blue state does the GOP stand a better chance of capturing the gubernatorial?
Maryland
Massachusetts

Or, fugettaboutit?
 
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joecct said:
Which deep blue state does the GOP stand a better chance of capturing the gubernatorial?
Maryland
Massachusetts

Or, fugettaboutit?
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Not MD. I don't know about MA, but Coakley might be the worst candidate for pubic office since Harold Stassen.
 
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joecct said:
Which deep blue state does the GOP stand a better chance of capturing the gubernatorial?
Maryland
Massachusetts

Or, fugettaboutit?
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Definitely Massachusetts. Baker is non-toxic, is well known, and has a completely inept opponent in Martha Coakley. Why Dem primary voters thought a person who lost a layup race to known dumb-bell Scott Brown would somehow turn around and win a race for governor is beyond me. I live one town over from her and I can count the lawn signs for her on one hand. I also have seen very little of her on TV although truthfully I don't watch a lot of network television. Long story short, she hasn't changed much from the race she lost a few years ago.
 
Kepler said:
Not MD. I don't know about MA, but Coakley might be the worst candidate for pubic office since Harold Stassen.
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Praying for Maryland, I've had enough of the government taking more of my retirement check because it's good for me.

But you're moving to Mosby's Confederacy, right?
 
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Rover said:
I don't know the particulars of the KY race, but sometimes the national parties pull out of a race while conveniently outside groups step in.

However, the larger point made by Kep is correct. These are the "margin of error" races for Senate: NC, AK, LA, GA, AL, SD, KY, IA, CO, KS. Given that each party has plenty of money, there's no reason to cut loose on any of these places.
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This is especially true for the Kentucky race given what a black eye it would be for the GOP to lose. The Dems aren't going to be quick to concede that prize.
 
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joecct said:
Praying for Maryland, I've had enough of the government taking more of my retirement check because it's good for me.

But you're moving to Mosby's Confederacy, right?
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Not yet. We're managing multiple octogenarian dependents, some of who may be moving closer to us. It is probably much better to stay in the Free States.

BTW, your choices are tax and spend vs borrow and spend. I've got a daughter and soon (if the little twerp would pull the trigger already) grandkids, so I'm not interested in financing my retirement on her back. Well... come to think of it, she never did thank us for that B.A.... But if you're descendantless I can certainly see the logic in that kind of inter-generational transfer. Because we couldn't for a moment return to Eisenhower's boom years America progressive tax rates, right?

Right?

It really comes down to this: tax the rich by raising the marginal rate or tax your kids by keeping on shoveling all our wealth to Mitt Romney.

It's a choice, I'll grant that.
 
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Kepler said:
Not yet. We're managing multiple octogenarian dependents, some of who may be moving closer to us. It is probably much better to stay in the Free States.

BTW, your choices are tax and spend vs borrow and spend. I've got a daughter and soon (if the little twerp would pull the trigger already) grandkids, so I'm not interested in financing my retirement on her back. Well... come to think of it, she never did thank us for that B.A.... But if you're descendantless I can certainly see the logic in that kind of inter-generational transfer. Because we couldn't for a moment return to Eisenhower's boom years America progressive tax rates, right?

Right?

It really comes down to this: tax the rich by raising the marginal rate or tax your kids by keeping on shoveling all our wealth to Mitt Romney.

It's a choice, I'll grant that.
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4 kids, 3 grandkids. In-laws live in our house.

If the State government spent our money wisely I'd be OK, but they seem to want to spend our money on every nifty thing in Baltimore And they can get away with it because the electorate is conditioned to pull D.
 
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joecct said:
4 kids, 3 grandkids. In-laws live in our house.

If the State government spent our money wisely I'd be OK, but they seem to want to spend our money on every nifty thing in Baltimore And they can get away with it because the electorate is conditioned to pull D.
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I actually have much more sympathy for that position than you'd expect. It's just the other side is such a transparent bunch of thieves, and the havoc they have wreaked on our country and values since 1980 has been so brutal and tawdry, that I am for restoring our normal American priorities. I come from the middle class so I am biased.
 
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