Business, Economics & Tax Policy 5.0: Can a blind nut find a squirrel?

[rufus]

Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 5.0: Can a blind nut find a squirrel?

Is Head still around? As a 10-year old I would always laugh when I saw Head skiis.

Head. Hurr hurr.

Give me Rossignol or give me Head.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 5.0: Can a blind nut find a squirrel?

An endorsement deal with the US Ski Team since the early 2000s got them back on the map. They're now a trendy, expensive brand again.

When I was a lad they were the "serious, no b.s." skier's choice. Then (I think I am remembering right) they got feature placement in a Bond movie and over night they were every as-shole Dartmouth bro's (sorry uno, let's say as-shole Harvard bro's) prestige ski. It was like waking up to Rihanna wearing Caterpillar Men’s 2nd Shift 6″ Steel Toe Boots.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 5.0: Can a blind nut find a squirrel?

Give me Rossignol or give me Head.

As a kid I loved the Rossignol emblem:

<img src="https://i.pinimg.com/736x/60/b5/43/60b543bca89cba6c3fa08642b8fbe109.jpg" />

 

[dxmnkd316]

Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 5.0: Can a blind nut find a squirrel?

Conservatives fought tooth and nail to stop the US Bank stadium due to government funds. Guess what...that result for the city of Minneapolis has been a stunning boom causing a 120 block redevelopment of pretty much the entire downtown (which was already nicer than most). All this is aided by the city's extremely healthy economy aided by corporate friendly democrat policies.

In stark contrast to Milwaukee, Minneapolis central business district is now among the 10 most populous in the country and is in top to bottom boom mode.

https://www.curbed.com/2017/11/28/16709820/minneapolis-big-build-super-bowl-52

There have been dozens of studies published that communities get something like half their money back between stadium builds. You NEVER recoup that money. It just gets passed on to the team owner.

 

[St. Clown]

Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 5.0: Can a blind nut find a squirrel?

There have been dozens of studies published that communities get something like half their money back between stadium builds. You NEVER recoup that money. It just gets passed on to the team owner.

Correct. Stadiums are boondoggles - especially when funded by the state rather than the city in which it's located.

 

[dxmnkd316]

Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 5.0: Can a blind nut find a squirrel?

Correct. Stadiums are boondoggles - especially when funded by the state rather than the city in which it's located.

They are horrible. That billion dollars we gave Zigmunt could have been used in so many other places and would have grown the economy even faster.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 5.0: Can a blind nut find a squirrel?

Correct. Stadiums are boondoggles - especially when funded by the state rather than the city in which it's located.

Even worse for cities which have a smaller population to spread the corporate theft over.

The supposed trickle down from teams is pennies on the dollar invested. They are vanity projects for wealthy boobs -- they and their stadia should be 100% privately financed.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 5.0: Can a blind nut find a squirrel?

Even worse for cities which have a smaller population to spread the corporate theft over.

The supposed trickle down from teams is pennies on the dollar invested. They are vanity projects for wealthy boobs -- they and their stadia should be 100% privately financed.

Has anyone figured out the economic impact of not having a team. How many of those corporations won't operate if a team does not exist for example? I'm on board with them having to foot the bill personally but I wonder sometimes how much identity is tied up in the squads.

 

[St. Clown]

Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 5.0: Can a blind nut find a squirrel?

Has anyone figured out the economic impact of not having a team. How many of those corporations won't operate if a team does not exist for example? I'm on board with them having to foot the bill personally but I wonder sometimes how much identity is tied up in the squads.

Some bars located around the stadium would have to change their business models or fade away, but otherwise you're not going to see much change. I work two blocks from US Bank Stadium, and know of only two bars down this way due to the stadium, and the one makes the majority of its income from being located within my company's building. The other is old Hubert's Bar & Grill. My company moved down here to collect some corporate cash from the city, emptying out our offices from the higher rent areas closer to downtown proper and condensing most of us into this shabby building built two years ago.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 5.0: Can a blind nut find a squirrel?

Has anyone figured out the economic impact of not having a team. How many of those corporations won't operate if a team does not exist for example? I'm on board with them having to foot the bill personally but I wonder sometimes how much identity is tied up in the squads.

I have only read high level studies which conclude that the benefit to a community for having a team is effectively zero. The more you make in taxes and property value and sales the more you lose on the back end in the cost of accommodating all the additional traffic, refuse, transport, etc. Both numbers scale the same so one dollar always chases the other. That's why public financing is such a rape -- it (deliberately) overcounts gross revenue as if it were net profit. It's a scam, from beginning to end.

 

[dxmnkd316]

Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 5.0: Can a blind nut find a squirrel?

Has anyone figured out the economic impact of not having a team. How many of those corporations won't operate if a team does not exist for example? I'm on board with them having to foot the bill personally but I wonder sometimes how much identity is tied up in the squads.

Hard to compare. A 100% privately financed stadium would be a much bigger boon than not having a team or a publicly financed stadium.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 5.0: Can a blind nut find a squirrel?

Some bars located around the stadium would have to change their business models or fade away, but otherwise you're not going to see much change. I work two blocks from US Bank Stadium, and know of only two bars down this way due to the stadium, and the one makes the majority of its income from being located within my company's building. The other is old Hubert's Bar & Grill. My company moved down here to collect some corporate cash from the city, emptying out our offices from the higher rent areas closer to downtown proper and condensing most of us into this shabby building built two years ago.

Yeah, I'm just wondering how many corporations want to be located in an NFL city. Probably not as big a pull as I figure it might be.

 

[dxmnkd316]

Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 5.0: Can a blind nut find a squirrel?

Yeah, I'm just wondering how many corporations want to be located in an NFL city. Probably not as big a pull as I figure it might be.

Probably don't give two ****s when push comes to shove. If some sh-tstain community wants to fark their residents and give the corporation all of their money, the corporation won't care about the NFL or any other pro sport.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 5.0: Can a blind nut find a squirrel?

Probably don't give two ****s when push comes to shove. If some sh-tstain community wants to fark their residents and give the corporation all of their money, the corporation won't care about the NFL or any other pro sport.

I don't know. I seem to remember corporations being heavily involved in bringing hockey back, keeping the Vikings here, keeping the Twins here. Seems to be some sort of deal. Also, how many people purposely live in a town that has teams and what kind of talent does that draw?

 

[dxmnkd316]

Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 5.0: Can a blind nut find a squirrel?

I don't know. I seem to remember corporations being heavily involved in bringing hockey back, keeping the Vikings here, keeping the Twins here. Seems to be some sort of deal. Also, how many people purposely live in a town that has teams and what kind of talent does that draw?

You think US Bank, 3M, Target, United Health, Best Buy, CHS, or any of the other companies on the right side of this list are moving if the Vikings left?

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 5.0: Can a blind nut find a squirrel?

You think US Bank, 3M, Target, United Health, Best Buy, CHS, or any of the other companies on the right side of this list are moving if the Vikings left?

No idea. Although I bet a bunch of them want to move headquarters to Ireland.

 

[dxmnkd316]

Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 5.0: Can a blind nut find a squirrel?

No idea. Although I bet a bunch of them want to move headquarters to Ireland.

Medtronic already did. ****ers.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 5.0: Can a blind nut find a squirrel?

I refuse to get excited.

At least four senators – Dean Heller (R-NV), Thom Tillis (R-NC), Chuck Grassley (R-IA), and John Kennedy (R-LA) – say they’re opposed to the idea of a deficit trigger. Grassley told TPM on Tuesday that it would inject uncertainty into the economy. On the House side, several lawmakers have also come out against the idea, and powerful conservative advocacy groups are mobilizing as well.

This is the see-saw. In order to give Collins, Corker, Johnson, Moran, Daines, and McCain an excuse to both f-ck their constituents and go back on their deficit fulminations, McConnell created the rollback gimmick. But now Heller, Tillis, Grassley, and Kennedy are saying that's an insult to their Trickle Down God and are threatening to vote No if it is included. Presumably, if the former gang of 6 aren't nakedly hypocritical, the exclusion of the rollback provision ought to make them pull their support.

The see-saw killed DontCare. Can it kill The Heist?

I refuse to get excited since in the end it comes down to finding 3 Republicans who display both logical consistency and concern for the country and their constituents.

 

[Kepler]

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Oopsy. McConnell waited too long.

In the estimate of repealing the individual health insurance mandate, the agencies wrote that repealing the mandate would result in a decrease of the number of people with health insurance of 4 million in 2019 and 13 million in 2027. In addition, the agencies estimated that average premiums in the nongroup market would increase by about 10 percent in most years of the decade (with no changes in the ages of people purchasing insurance accounted for), relative to CBO's Summer 2017 baseline projections.

If legislation were enacted that incorporated both the provisions of the Bipartisan Health Care Stabilization Act [Alexander-Murray] and a repeal of the individual mandate, the agencies expect that the interactions among the provisions would be small; the effects on premiums and the number of people with health insurance coverage would be similar to those referenced above.

Here's the CBO letter. In the words of Nelson Muntz...

 

[trixR4kids]

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Probably don't give two ****s when push comes to shove. If some sh-tstain community wants to fark their residents and give the corporation all of their money, the corporation won't care about the NFL or any other pro sport.

My parents were telling me about Foxxconn but I'm not super familiar with it. Sounds like they have a history of taking the money and running though.