rufus
rock and roller
Not after Donnie sends it to the crypto grifters.So they did the audit then? The US still holds them bars in fort know??
I'm sure a lot of it will go to whatever crypto Donnie's involved in.
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Business, Economics, and Taxes: Eat Cereal for Dinner
- Thread starter MissThundercat
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I'm sure a lot of it will go to whatever crypto Donnie's involved in.
Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
Yep. That is why we are doomed.
FadeToBlack&Gold
8647
It's hilarious but not surprising to validate that plenty of American conservative voters also consider themselves better than swinging hammers and/or operating heavy machinery for a living.
MichVandal
Well-known member
On a car board I am part of, I constantly see people bashing workers in the UAW, because they think it's so easy. Even the ones who did it, and quit because it was too hard. This is nothing new, though, just like farm workers. They have a "very easy" job, but nobody wants to do it because it's too hard.
It's pretty amazing how few people can actually do the work they think anyone can do.
walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
Soul destroying ? is a wee bit off but I Guess it depends on the person. Sense of pride when you complete any project comes to mind.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
The monotony of the work. The lack of worker protection and rights. The terrible working conditions. The plight of blue collar in a world where white collar makes all the rules.
French Rage
NICKERSON HAS [CENSORED]
Do those two polls really contradict each other though? Wanted there to be more manufacturing jobs doesn't also mean literally everyone will work in said jobs. The peacetime max of manufacturing employment was around 30%, so it's when it's at full-bore it's still very much a minority of employment available. (This is not endorsing that there should be more such jobs or that any particular policy is the best way to go about getting such jobs, just that the two results can still be saying the same thing.)
FadeToBlack&Gold
8647
Money is all that matters. Be rich and you can protect yourself. Otherwise, you're on your own.
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Soul destroying might be a hair dramatic but it’s not far off. Only a handful of the floor workers I’ve worked with seem “happy and fulfilled” in even the loosest sense. Especially compared to the office workers.
Like, you can take pride in your work but that doesn’t mean it’s not whatever soul-crushing-adjacent is.
walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
If we are talking putting I phones together I guess soul crushing might be close. I worked as a maintenance mechanic in a factory a long time ago, the operators had it bad but got paid very well for what they did. Some lasted, some didn't. My job was pretty good, got to work on stuff I'd never seen before, learned a lot. Was in a union, which sucked as senority not talent determined who got to advance. I wanted to move into Machine shop as fabricating is right up my alley. I was at back
of line so I decided to go back to school and get a degree .
RaceBoarder
Waiting for the Snow to fly...
Give them the same wage you make. 100% their demeanor changes…
Jimjamesak
Already insane, UAA making it worse
And cut down on the corporate BS created in the name of “efficiency”.
St. Clown
Ideas Posted are Likely Not My Own
Money will take people so far. I know people earning much more than me, and they sound like they couldn’t give two rats’ sh**s about their employers. Put people in a position where they feel like they’re truly contributing to something good, then they’ll feel accomplished and strive all that much harder towards theirs and their employer’s goals.
When I working for a fraction of what I do now, but helping design systems to make processes cleaner, my company had a much more enthusiastic employee than they do now.
FadeToBlack&Gold
8647
You could pay me my current salary to resume my teenage big box store or fast food jobs, and I wouldn't be happy doing it. Good pay just makes an otherwise boring and repetitive job a bit less shitty and monotonous.
That used to be the tradeoff in the Rust Belt. You could start on the assembly line with a high school diploma, and spend the next 30-35 years welding or screwing the same part in the same spot for hours/weeks/months at a stretch, and the UAW would make sure you got paid a good wage, and had traditional health insurance and a pension. You got to retire at 50-55 (usually had to because your joints were shot), perhaps with a small lake cabin and a couple of toys if you were smart with your money over the years. But you didn't have to go through years of additional formal schooling, or solve complex problems while working the line. You simply did whatever task you were trained to do. All of the industry cuts and bankruptcies since the late 70s that ended pensions and traditional health insurance, combined with modest wage growth that has not kept pace with inflation, have now greatly devalued this career option.
Alternatively, you could go to college for 2-4 years and study for a white collar job - accounting, engineering, etc. The tradeoff being no union protections, and delayed "adulting" (marriage, first home, kids), but higher long-term pay.
MichVandal
Well-known member
Just saw an interesting reminder- right now, we are operating on trade deals that dumpy made. The updated NAFTA is a dumpy deal. And how many jobs did that bring back to the US? That's what it was supposed to do, right? And it didn't really work out.
It's starting to make me thing that what the right wing really wants is to put the poor in such a bad shape that they will work for slave money. For some reason, they are shocked that even immigrants that come in legally to work don't want to deal with that. Nebraska is claiming they will be bankrupt by the end of the year because of the workers just went home or they were force out. Which is EXACTLY what they voted for.
And the really stupid part is that they clearly don't understand that our economy requires consumers. The more consumption, the more money is made. And on a relative income basis, billionaires spend a small fraction of what people making less than $30,000 spend. I've gone through the math, and it's hard to consume $1,000,000,000 of stuff in a year- where it's totally gone after 365 days. It's pretty easy to do with $30,000.
If we *really* want manufacturing jobs to come back, then they need to be skilled jobs, not mindless line workers. Those jobs are gone thanks to billionaires thinking they are not making enough money. They don't want to pay actual hard work that *seems* easy- especially people who harvest their food.
I'm really looking forward to visiting Finland later this year to see a country where there's a good progressive tax to make sure the lower end can still consume stuff knowing the rich can't. A country that really focuses on homelessness. A country that really focuses on poor people. Just accept the handful of lazy people to capture the hard workers who just can't get things together. A country where education is so, so, so very good. I doubt we will see all of what works, but it will be interesting to learn what we can.
It's starting to make me thing that what the right wing really wants is to put the poor in such a bad shape that they will work for slave money. For some reason, they are shocked that even immigrants that come in legally to work don't want to deal with that. Nebraska is claiming they will be bankrupt by the end of the year because of the workers just went home or they were force out. Which is EXACTLY what they voted for.
And the really stupid part is that they clearly don't understand that our economy requires consumers. The more consumption, the more money is made. And on a relative income basis, billionaires spend a small fraction of what people making less than $30,000 spend. I've gone through the math, and it's hard to consume $1,000,000,000 of stuff in a year- where it's totally gone after 365 days. It's pretty easy to do with $30,000.
If we *really* want manufacturing jobs to come back, then they need to be skilled jobs, not mindless line workers. Those jobs are gone thanks to billionaires thinking they are not making enough money. They don't want to pay actual hard work that *seems* easy- especially people who harvest their food.
I'm really looking forward to visiting Finland later this year to see a country where there's a good progressive tax to make sure the lower end can still consume stuff knowing the rich can't. A country that really focuses on homelessness. A country that really focuses on poor people. Just accept the handful of lazy people to capture the hard workers who just can't get things together. A country where education is so, so, so very good. I doubt we will see all of what works, but it will be interesting to learn what we can.
Jimjamesak
Already insane, UAA making it worse
Except you’re forgetting the “go to school for another 4-5 years and take on a huge amount of debt that will take you a decade to pay back. Oh, and your salary won’t be great because we don’t have to pay you that much because there’s about 50 other applicants waiting.”
Or the “we’ve made your position redundant with an AI program”.