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Buffalo State, SUNY Geneseo penalized for aid violations

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AGPennypacker said:
That seems to be the crux in all of this. What is it that made them change their minds? It was okay before, but now it's not.
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And why drop the hammer (so to speak) on them because the NCAA decided to change interpretation of the rule? Wouldn't it have been fairer to warn everybody that a change was in the winds? Excuse me, that's the NCAA we're talking about, isn't it?
 
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mazile said:
It would be a fair way to even the playing field and do-away with everyone trying to appear they're just interested in the "cultural enhancements" provided by Canadians in attendance. Ultimately ending the CIG charade would be a cost savings to schools who inflate Canadian enrollment to disguise its intended purpose.
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Can't say for sure of course, but I honestly don't believe the CIG grant was created with hockey in mind. It obviously came to be the hockey grant when it proved a useful recruiting tool, but it probably had benevolent intent behind it at the beginning, really. I dated one of the (very few) non-hockey CIG recipients for a bit while at Geneseo. "Cultural enhancement" is good ;)
 
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NUProf said:
And why drop the hammer (so to speak) on them because the NCAA decided to change interpretation of the rule? Wouldn't it have been fairer to warn everybody that a change was in the winds? Excuse me, that's the NCAA we're talking about, isn't it?
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Who says the NCAA weren't the ones who made the mistake in the first place and realized they were not looking at the numbers properly? Perhaps that is why they did not go back and retroactively slap sanctions on these schools.

And apparently they did warn schools when the change in interpretation was made. Then they waited four years to see if the schools did anything with that warning.
 
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KnightsOfTheRound said:
Can't say for sure of course, but I honestly don't believe the CIG grant was created with hockey in mind. It obviously came to be the hockey grant when it proved a useful recruiting tool, but it probably had benevolent intent behind it at the beginning, really. I dated one of the (very few) non-hockey CIG recipients for a bit while at Geneseo. "Cultural enhancement" is good ;)
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Are you saying she was enhanced? ;)
 
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Russell Jaslow said:
It says it right in my original article -- they looked at the numbers differently.
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My hypothesis, is that initially the NCAA grouped all international incentive programs at each institution together for evaluation purposes (and probably to insure uniformity, as many institutions themselves had only one comprehensive international program), but for some reason, likely the effect of individual program "outliers", were forced to address those individual programs that had become de facto athletic scholarship programs.
 
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PSUChamps2001 said:
You forgot one... ;)
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Whoops, I forgot Castleton.


Russell Jaslow said:
It doesn't matter who administers it.

As long as those players on the ACHA team aren't playing on an NCAA regulated team, the NCAA DOES NOT GIVE A FLYING HOOT about them. The NCAA has no jurisdiction whatsoever over that ACHA team.

Potsdam has an equestrian team adminstered by the athletics department. The NCAA isn't going to care one iota about any of the members on that equestrian team.
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I know NCAA doesn't give **** about what happens to members of the ACHA teams. :mad:

I was simply saying that if (note that I'm saying IF) the NCAA were to impose the same sanctions for the same things on an Adrian or a St. Norbert, and they responded but adopting the policy that Geneseo has, then the ACHA students would be affected as well (not affected by the NCAA sanctions, but by the school's policy). Now, we were saying earlier how sad it is that student-athletes have to suffer at the NCAA's hands for the fault of the administration... doesn't it seem even LESS just that an ACHA student-athlete would have to suffer at the hands of the administration because of the administration's faults? :(

I was simply pointing out the possibility for this situation, there was no reason to respond in the way that you did. Thanks for playing :rolleyes:
 
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CARDS_rule_the_Burgh said:
Whoops, I forgot Castleton.

... Now, we were saying earlier how sad it is that student-athletes have to suffer at the NCAA's hands for the fault of the administration... doesn't it seem even LESS just that an ACHA student-athlete would have to suffer at the hands of the administration because of the administration's faults? :(
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I am not sure the administration views participants of "club sports" (generally pay-to-play) the same as they do "varsity sports" (fully school funded), and would be shocked to see them do anything to their club sports participants.
 
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CARDS_rule_the_Burgh said:
I was simply saying that if (note that I'm saying IF) the NCAA were to impose the same sanctions for the same things on an Adrian or a St. Norbert, and they responded but adopting the policy that Geneseo has, then the ACHA students would be affected as well (not affected by the NCAA sanctions, but by the school's policy). Now, we were saying earlier how sad it is that student-athletes have to suffer at the NCAA's hands for the fault of the administration... doesn't it seem even LESS just that an ACHA student-athlete would have to suffer at the hands of the administration because of the administration's faults? :(
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I see your point but it still wouldn't affect any of the current ACHA players even if the sanctions came down right now against those schools, because the NCAA ruling and the school's reaction would have no affect on the ACHA players. Ergo, they can keep their aid AND still play (unlike the NCAA athletes who can either keep their aid OR play).

Only potential future students might not be able to get any aid if the school dropped their Canadian program. But, unless a student was dying to go to that particular school, they are not affected anyway.
 
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