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[BU Fan 84]

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In Albie's other coaching stops, the power play was good, and he often got credit for it.
Although it didn't always look like it, BU's PP was one of the more effective ones in the league.

It was the penalty killing this past year thst was pretty woeful. Who was in-charge of that unit?

Albie's assistant coaching hires will tell a lot about him. A solid head coach will hire strong assistants in areas that he recognizes his own weaknesses.

I know the numbers for this past season were not as bad as the two years prior to that, but the eye-test, man .... It was bad. I am more lenient on the PK. I think Hickey had a pretty bad year for most of the season, and I thought the freshmen struggled defensively all season. I think that was more the cause of the increased goals given up, on the PK or even-strength.

I am intrigued by O'Connell bring Keefe in, though. As you said, I would consider that to fulfill your last sentence in your post.

 

[BU Fan 84]

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I previously stated my opinion that BU should hire Albie, so I want to thank Drew and BU for doing so and to congratulate Albie on his promotion and wish him and BU great success. I do, however, have one request: bring back the traditional jerseys worn for most of the past 50 seasons.

As for Adam Wodon:
This one is just as bad
https://twitter.com/CHN_AdamWodon/status/1003627747632123905

What I find most interesting about this is I didn't read anything like it when Denver hired David Carle as head coach. No talk about DU's AD costing their program dearly for hiring an assistant with no head coaching experience over Coach Bazin. And compare the two CHN articles. In the fourth paragraph of the article on Carle's hire, after a glowing paragraph of him being the youngest DI head coach since 1999 and a single sentence paragraph that he was he was offered the UAA position, it states "...but Denver went through with a lengthy interview process that included a long look at Massachusetts-Lowell's Norm Bazin.". Yet no knock on Carle for his lack of head coaching experince. In fact the article makes sure to let it be known that Carle had starting coaching as a freshman in college, so he had 4 more years of coaching experience than others his age. Now compare that to the article on BU hiring Coach O'Connell where, in the second paragraph it states "Though he has never been a head coach on any level, O'Connell has been an assistant at a variety of New England schools consistently since he started coaching in 2003." Pretty much a straight slap in the face.

I was also surprised by Joe Meloni's tweet

Albie has spent 15 seasons as an assistant coach in the college ranks and it's a "hell of an ascent"? Yet when I do a search for similar tweets about Coach Carle I don't find any. Which is strange because it would seem that Coach Carle had more of a "hell of an ascent". And I don't recall any such concern when North Dakota promoted Brad Berry within 24 hours of Dave Hakstol resigning and being named the Flyers head coach. No national search, no looking at top head coaches, and yet nothing about how UND made a mistake.

Oh, and I really like that the CHN article on Albie being named head coach states Coach Parker stayed for the next 30 years. They can't even get a simple and well known fact correct.

Sean

Yes, I agree with you on all of this. "BU is in an interesting spot right now"??? How so? If anything, we are in a pretty boring spot right now. I think Albie was the boring, safe candidate. I expect very few changes to anything. I know you liked Quinn and thought the past five years were good, so it seems like you and most other people should be, and are, content with this. That does not put BU into an "interesting spot." It is literally more of the same, consistency, etc. Like I said before, I fail to see how this will "cost the program dearly." These two "writers" seem like idiots.

 

[Agganis]

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Pandolfo, Sacco, and Donatelli have the combined college hockey coaching experience of: 1 season as a volunteer assistant on a terrible team.

I wouldn't require a head coach candidate to have 10+ years of college coaching experience, but I would like more than that, regardless of the percentage of completion of their degree (which is an NCAA rule).

 

[Bomber]

Here's his twitter feed: https://twitter.com/CHN_AdamWodon/with_replies?lang=en

You'll have a hard time backing up the assertion that he was shilling for Bennett based on those tweets. FYI the BU fans in his mentions seem just as butt hurt about mildly critical comments about the BU hiring process as he does responding to them.

Looks like he deleted the tweet.

Great post from Sean. Lotta BU hate put there. Let’s wear black next year and goon it up!!!

 

[Sean Pickett]

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I do not think Albie O'Connell was the best person for the job, but I don't think it is going to cost the program "dearly." I don't think it will cost us much, I imagine things will stay pretty consistent and similar to the past four years.

So, who did you want? I don't recall if you stated it previously and I don't want to do a search.

I have no problem with requiring a college degree for the job. As someone posted the other day, isn't that a NCAA rule? Or at least something that is standard across the NCAA?

Yes, it was been stated it is an NCAA requirement, but I have searched the NCAA DI manual and the rest of the NCAA site and have found nothing that states this. And if it was an NCAA requirement you might think that Adam Wodon and the other college hockey reporters would know that fact and not use BU requiring a degree as a reason to attack AD Marrochello. I do think it is standard across the NCAA to want all coaches in all sports to have degrees, and it seems there are very few, if any, that don't.

The aspect that I disagree with the most is the idea that we need a coach who is going to stick around for decades and decades. Our coaches don't all need to be Jack Parker. Yes, it isn't great that we had a coaching search again, five years later (can't blame Quinn at all - way too much money to pass up). It was probably sooner than most people expected - I figured more around the 10-year mark. But if you thought David Qiunn was going to coach at BU for 30 years, then you are insane. How many coaches have done that in the history of college hockey? Four or five?

Well I don't have a definitive count, I know of 6 that remained head coach at one school for at least 30 years and another 30 that coached at one school for at least 20 years and 94 that coached one school for at least 10 years. So, well I don't expect another coach to stay for 40 years (Coach Parker was 28 when he was hired), yet I do expect a coach to stay at least 10 years and I would hope Albie is succssful and stays even longer.

But I think you need to get the best coach available, even if he "might" leave after awhile for an NHL head coach position. There are way too many factors that go into that to be able to predict that a potential hire will ever get that call, let alone have it be the right situation with the right money offered. Not offering the job to someone like Pandolfo because he might want to be an NHL head coach someday? Sounds like a big mistake to me. Not talking to Hynes? I don't know ... that whole situation is weird, anyway. Rather than go for it and get a great coach, they got a guy who is one step down from that. Decent hire, but not great. Which is probably how we'll describe his career when it is over. I know we're going to be looking at a dysfunctional, underachieving power play. I just hope he recognizes his own weaknesses and gets a strong associate HC to do strategy, x's and o's, in-game adjustments. Who knows, maybe he was better at that stuff than Quinn and Quinn just never let him get his ideas out.

I disagree with you and think BU did get a great coach.

My final thought is that, five or so years from now, we are going to be sitting here saying, "Man, we should've hired Freddy Meyer." He will end up being the Hynes of the last coaching search.

I don't think so, but you never know.

Sean

 

[RoughEmUp]

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Looks like I am in the distinct minority here, but I absolutely want the BU coach to have a degree. I assume the coach will consistently push student athletes to make solid progress towards a degree, and their credibility would be shot without holding a degree themselves.

Further, I would like to see more coaches make the effort to attain an Ed.M in coaching, or sports psychology, or development...something along those lines. Coaching could be so much better if they brought an educator’s or psychologist’s training to bear in addition to having “played the game” and “paid their dues” through the traditional paradigm.

 

[Sean Pickett]

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Looks like I am in the distinct minority here, but I absolutely want the BU coach to have a degree. I assume the coach will consistently push student athletes to make solid progress towards a degree, and their credibility would be shot without holding a degree themselves.

Further, I would like to see more coaches make the effort to attain an Ed.M in coaching, or sports psychology, or development...something along those lines. Coaching could be so much better if they brought an educator’s or psychologist’s training to bear in addition to having “played the game” and “paid their dues” through the traditional paradigm.

I agree 100%.

Sean

 

[Sean Pickett]

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... regardless of the percentage of completion of their degree (which is an NCAA rule).

Source that the NCAA requires coaches to have a degree please?

Sean

 

[ericredaxe]

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Looks like I am in the distinct minority here, but I absolutely want the BU coach to have a degree. I assume the coach will consistently push student athletes to make solid progress towards a degree, and their credibility would be shot without holding a degree themselves.

Further, I would like to see more coaches make the effort to attain an Ed.M in coaching, or sports psychology, or development...something along those lines. Coaching could be so much better if they brought an educator’s or psychologist’s training to bear in addition to having “played the game” and “paid their dues” through the traditional paradigm.

I'm fully supportive of requiring the head coach to have a degree. The fact that a small handful of kids may be good enough to leave to the NHL prior to earning a degree does not make this hypocritical at all IMO.

 

[Scarlet]

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Just came from the press conference. Some good stuff. I’m looking forward to the season. The team was there (and apropos of nothing were wearing these sweet new UA 1/4 zips), Jordan Greenway was there, Coach Parker, Mike Eruzione, former Terrier and O’Connell’s teammate Chris O’Sullivan were there too.

The one question not asked was what his plans are for his staff. I’m sure that will come.

 

[ericredaxe]

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If anyone finds a link to the press conference saved please let me know. I was only able to see the last 1/3.

 

[Agganis]

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Source that the NCAA requires coaches to have a degree please?

Sean

I haven't looked for it in the rulebook, but remember it was mentioned as required as part of a recent college opening. Didn't we establish that no one could find a college coach who doesn't have a degree?

 

[Sean Pickett]

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I haven't looked for it in the rulebook, but remember it was mentioned as required as part of a recent college opening. Didn't we establish that no one could find a college coach who doesn't have a degree?

Yes, we established that it appears most, if not all NCAA caches have degrees. If it is a NCAA requirement it should have been pointed out BU was just following it when mentioning the candidates without one that were not finalists. Instead there were several pointed attacks aimed at BU for making it a requirement for their new head coach.

Sean

 

[chickod]

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If anyone finds a link to the press conference saved please let me know. I was only able to see the last 1/3.

Ditto...they blocked the site at work...

 

[Agganis]

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Yes, we established that it appears most, if not all NCAA caches have degrees. If it is a NCAA requirement it should have been pointed out BU was just following it when mentioning the candidates without one that were not finalists. Instead there were several pointed attacks aimed at BU for making it a requirement for their new head coach.

Sean

My post was saying that the 3 people who didn't have a degree weren't good candidates (IMO) even if they did.

 

[Sean Pickett]

My post was saying that the 3 people who didn't have a degree weren't good candidates (IMO) even if they did.

Not you, Adam Wodon.

Sean

 

[Rogie21]

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Albie's assistant coaching hires will tell a lot about him. A solid head coach will hire strong assistants in areas that he recognizes his own weaknesses.

NU's Jerry Keefe has been mentioned and I previously suggested Joe Pereira, who has done a very good job at UConn. Now hearing Mike Grier as a possibility. Grier was Albie's teammate at both St. Seb's and BU and would bring NHL connections to the mix. He's been scouting and is coordinator of player development with the Junior Terriers.

 

[Rogie21]

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If anyone finds a link to the press conference saved please let me know. I was only able to see the last 1/3.

There are clips on the BU Men's Hockey Twitter. Albie was introduced by John Bolton's non-evil twin.

 

[Rogie21]

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I personally have wondered how much he was responsible for the ****ty first half of this past season. Just curious that he comes on and all of a sudden the quality of play plummets as compared to the past few seasons? I was told by some folks that no, I am wrong, he is really well-respected and highly regarded, but I don't know .... He certainly never had much success in wins and losses as a coach. Prior to Quinn leaving, I was hoping Len would not be back. Hopefully that is more likely now.

That's a pretty irresponsible statement. You say some people told you he is well-respected, but where is anything specific to back up the suggestion that he was responsible for a mediocre first half? We see enough claims backed up by nothing from a big white house in D.C.

 

[Scarlet]

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What I find most interesting about this is I didn't read anything like it when Denver hired David Carle as head coach. No talk about DU's AD costing their program dearly for hiring an assistant with no head coaching experience over Coach Bazin. And compare the two CHN articles. In the fourth paragraph of the article on Carle's hire, after a glowing paragraph of him being the youngest DI head coach since 1999 and a single sentence paragraph that he was he was offered the UAA position, it states "...but Denver went through with a lengthy interview process that included a long look at Massachusetts-Lowell's Norm Bazin.". Yet no knock on Carle for his lack of head coaching experince. In fact the article makes sure to let it be known that Carle had starting coaching as a freshman in college, so he had 4 more years of coaching experience than others his age. Now compare that to the article on BU hiring Coach O'Connell where, in the second paragraph it states "Though he has never been a head coach on any level, O'Connell has been an assistant at a variety of New England schools consistently since he started coaching in 2003." Pretty much a straight slap in the face.

I was also surprised by Joe Meloni's tweet

Albie has spent 15 seasons as an assistant coach in the college ranks and it's a "hell of an ascent"? Yet when I do a search for similar tweets about Coach Carle I don't find any. Which is strange because it would seem that Coach Carle had more of a "hell of an ascent". And I don't recall any such concern when North Dakota promoted Brad Berry within 24 hours of Dave Hakstol resigning and being named the Flyers head coach. No national search, no looking at top head coaches, and yet nothing about how UND made a mistake.

Thanks for bringing this up, Sean. This was the other thing that was annoying!! I didn't see anything like this when David Carle was hired a few weeks ago.