BU Season Thread II: The Resurgence

[mookie1995]

Re: BU Season Thread II: The Resurgence

Why no Baillargeon last night?

heard "healthy scratch".

 

[Jofa]

I don't think that was Jofa's point. I know I feel this way too. All season they have been playing with fire. They "turn it on" in the third period when they have to.
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You are hired say no more!

 

[steakbomb]

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Think the Irish gave a blueprint on how to play BU this weekend. As far as NCAA seeds go, who cares! So you wear a different color uniform in a game it two. Seems to me that Yale and Union were not very high seeds

 

[J.D.]

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Yale was not but union was. Yale entered after going 0-2 in ecac championship weekend...think they were last at large team in. Crazy that they then won it beating some **** good teams along the way.

Union was a #1 seed last year though. They were on a roll at end of season and were considered a favorite to win it all.

Overall i agree with you. Has more to do with where you play and who you draw than what number you finish at in pwr.

 

[sterlippo1]

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And I know I'm risking having the BC people come on here and say "Well, the players stay four years at OUR school...na..na...nana...na."

we have seven that stayed , it wasn't a good thing. have to have the right mix with a little talent sprinkled in

 

[brassbonanza]

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I don't think that was Jofa's point. I know I feel this way too. All season they have been playing with fire. They "turn it on" in the third period when they have to. But you can't get away with that forever. And I just don't understand what it is about BU teams...why they just can't play hard for 60 minutes and dominate the teams they should dominate. Why is it always life and death, down to the wire? Even in 2009 they had to score those three goals in a row in the Hockey East semi against BC with less than ten minutes to go in the game, or else they would have lost that one. In fact, that whole season the games were much closer than they should have been. I think what he's saying is that they're where they are in the PWR because, frankly, they haven't played like a top 4 team. That's not placing blame...that's just a fact. If you (not "you" personally, but "you" collectively - maybe I should say "if one is going to...") are going to argue against that then what you are really saying is that they're not as good as we think. A sobering thought right before the playoffs. What he's saying is that losing to Harvard and BC earlier in the year is the reason why they are not in the top 4. You have to play at a high level all season. He wasn't forecasting the PWR, he was just saying that eventually things even out by the end of the season and BU is probably not a top 4 team. Which doesn't mean they still can't win it all, because, as we know, plenty of teams have come from further down and won. Just saying that they really don't deserve to be where they were if they can't beat a team 30 places below them in the PWR at least once in two tries at home.

I wasn't speaking directly to what Jofa said, just that the focus on PWR right now is worthless, we'll fall where we'll fall. We can only control what our results are, but if we take care of business and play well, we'll end up positioned juts fine to be able to take a shot at a postseason run. But evaluating at this point what pairs can and can't be flipped, short of running a simluatior like Jim Dahl does, is just taking shots in the dark.

 

[chickod]

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I wasn't speaking directly to what Jofa said, just that the focus on PWR right now is worthless, we'll fall where we'll fall. We can only control what our results are, but if we take care of business and play well, we'll end up positioned juts fine to be able to take a shot at a postseason run. But evaluating at this point what pairs can and can't be flipped, short of running a simluatior like Jim Dahl does, is just taking shots in the dark.

Agreed...the only time it's relevant is after the last day of the season.

 

[Sean Pickett]

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The committee just made up a playoff between BU and PC? Was that even within the context of the rules back then?

A short history of the NCAA Ice Hockey Championship (the official name of the tournament until it was branded the Frozen Four in 2000) selection process for the East:

When the NCAA started the tournament two committees were formed, one to select 2 teams from the east and one to select 2 teams from the west. In 1948 the Ivy League regular season champion was an automatic qualifier and the Eastern committee selected Boston College, the NEIHL tournament champion, as the second team. In 1949 the committee again selected NEIHL tournament champion Boston College and also Ivy League regular season champion Dartmouth. In 1950 the committee selected both BC, the NEIHL tournament champion, and BU, the NEIHL, runner-up, leaving Ivy League champion Brown and the the New York schools on the outside. In 1951 the committee again selected the NEIHL tournament champion (BU) and Ivy League champion (Brown). However, in 1952 the committee was unable to come to a decision between, BC, BU, St. Lawrence (of the Tri-State League) and Yale, instead proposing 2 playoff games with the winners going to the NCAAs. BC and BU refused (another story), so the committee selected St. Lawrence and Yale. In 1956 Clarkson declined an offer to participate and St. Lawrence was selected instead. In 1960 the committee again called for 2 playoff games and this time both BC and BU agreed. BU defeated Dartmouth, while St. Lawrence defeated BC. In 1961 2 New York teams were selected, but the committee requested the NCAA allow an eight team tournament to be played to determine the eastern teams. The NCAA agreed, but stipulated that only the winner would be an automatic qualifier, with the committee selecting the second team. The committee also selected the 8 teams that would participate in the new ECAC Tournament beginning in 1962. In 1963 Harvard won the ECAC tournament, but declined to participate in the NCAAs. The committee, again having to select the 2 teams, chose runner-up Boston College and consolation winner Clarkson. In 1964 the committee selected consolation winner RPI over runner-up St. Lawrence. In 1966 the committee again selected the consolation winner (BU) over the runner-up (Cornell). In 1971 the committee yet again selected the consolation winner (BU) over the runner-up (Clarkson). Finally, in 1978 The NCAA had the first official quarterfinal games, with both the BU-Providence rematch and the CCHA champion (Bowling Green) vs WCHA lower ranked team (Colorado College). The CCHA-WCHA quarterfinal was played for the next 2 years until the NCAA tournament was expanded to 8 teams in 1981.

Sean

 

[Bonin21]

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I don't really want to go through 18 pages. Why do you only have 33 regular season games this year?

 

[Sean Pickett]

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I don't really want to go through 18 pages. Why do you only have 33 regular season games this year?

Because one opponent that was scheduled backed out and Coach Quinn was unable to schedule a replacement game.

Sean

 

[Harry Cleverly]

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Think the Irish gave a blueprint on how to play BU this weekend. As far as NCAA seeds go, who cares! So you wear a different color uniform in a game it two. Seems to me that Yale and Union were not very high seeds

You mean bore them to death with a trap and hope your goalie can stand on his head while getting outshot by a 2-1 margin?

 

[Harry Cleverly]

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Alright, all we need to have happen is for BC to sweep ND and NU to sweep BU/finish in 3rd place and BC wins the league!

Obviously not gonna happen but still fun to dream.

Mathematically impossible.

 

[TheRevengeance]

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Mathematically impossible.

No it isn't? That sends BC/BU to a tie at 29 and NU to 26, which could easily be third considering nobody else is above 23 right now.

I don't expect it to happen, but it's certainly possible.

 

[J.D.]

Mathematically impossible.

I can see how that might be confusing but i meant NU finishing 3rd, not BU

 

[sterlippo1]

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You mean bore them to death with a trap and hope your goalie can stand on his head while getting outshot by a 2-1 margin?

exactly, arent they fun to watch?

 

[chickod]

Re: BU Season Thread II: The Resurgence

You mean bore them to death with a trap and hope your goalie can stand on his head while getting outshot by a 2-1 margin?

Yes, but the point is if that's how teams are going to play them they have to be able to adjust. And I think the whole discussion yesterday about DQ "overthinking" plays into this. One might say "they should have been prepared for this," but if nobody has done it it's likely they would not be. So, in a sense, you could say that Jackson "ambushed" them. Now let's see if they can figure out a solution in a short time frame. Maybe Jeff did them a favor, if for no other reason that it will make them realize they can't just "score at will" when they need to at the end of the game, which they have done frequently (perhaps <i><b>too</b></i> frequently) this year...

 

[ericredaxe]

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Somehow I don't think that Quinn was intimidated by Jeff Jackson, or over thought the game plan etc etc... Despite coming up short, lets not read too much into one tough weekend where we out shot the opponent by a combined 80-39.

 

[chickod]

Re: BU Season Thread II: The Resurgence

Somehow I don't think that Quinn was intimidated by Jeff Jackson, or over thought the game plan etc etc... Despite coming up short, lets not read too much into one tough weekend where we out shot the opponent by a combined 80-39.

I was just commenting on Mookie's Belichick/Carroll analogy where he speculated that this might be the case (actually it was probably just another excuse to take a shot at the Patriots, because just using the term "Belicheat" implies sour grapes)

 

[Friend_of_BU_Hockey]

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Somehow I don't think that Quinn was intimidated by Jeff Jackson, or over thought the game plan etc etc... Despite coming up short, lets not read too much into one tough weekend where we out shot the opponent by a combined 80-39.

ND has been up/down all season, but certainly played like a team far better than their record indicates. Big, physical, fairly disciplined and certainly opportunistic. Their best players (Russo, Lucia, Hinostroza) stepped up this weekend and Petersen stood on his head at times; he's arguably the most aggressive goalie I've seen BU face all season.

The one trend I'm a bit concerned about is the regression of the team's overall defensive play, including goaltending. After the Wisconsin series they were at a 1.89 goals-against (36 GA in 19 GP); since then, they're allowing 1 goal/game more -- 2.90 goals-against (32 GA in last 11 GP). IMO OC hasn't looked as sharp of late, the Freshmen D-men (except Hickey) have had inconsistent moments, the forwards haven't defended quite as well in their own end, and the team has developed the bad habit of taking the next 1-2 shifts off after scoring.

These are all fixable things; hopefully they can find consistency with learning from their mistakes so they can earn the postseason success they're capable of.

 

[mookie1995]

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Probably not a coincidence that the meat of our schedule started after Bucky as well