BU season thread I - 2014-2015

[Friend_of_BU_Hockey]

Re: BU season thread I - 2014-2015

but he did not fit in at BU at all

I don't disagree. I know he spent most of his non-hockey, non-school time back home w/ family & friends.

By all accounts he was a good teammate and wasn't a problem for the coaching staff. I just don't think he had much of a relationship with teammates outside of hockey.

 

[brassbonanza]

Re: BU season thread I - 2014-2015

I've alluded to this before and I know some numbnuts will not believe me (and yet I don't care) but he did not fit in at BU at all. Keep in mind he was around BU while the hockey program was in their unchecked Animal House mode. This kid was a weight room, health junky looking to put himself in position to get into the NHL. He was into the drink a ton of beer and take advantage of a girl thing. You can debate whether college route was right for him or not but he chose the college route and you wonder if his family connections may have put him in the wrong place.

I won't claim to know anything about the culture of the entire team around then, only the obvious incidents that came about, so I'll pass on the off the ice stuff.

As for the on the ice, I agree Parker's system and his didn't exactly mesh, and it wasn't entirely the best fit for him. That said, then why did he commit to BU? It's not like Parker radically changed his offensive philosophy in 2010 when Charlie showed up. Also, I seem to remember on numerous occasions where he himself coasted through games, giving marginal effort, not necessarily skating hard, etc. It would seem that there's blame to be placed on both sides. I too agree with FOBUH that it probably would've been better to just leave after his freshman year if it wasn't working, but that's just Monday morning quarterbacking at this point. He seemed like a decent enough kid, but the way he handled his situation as far as his position on the team was poor, all the way down to lying to the Freep reporters before he quit, saying he wasn't leaving the team when in fact he was. He came off as a bit immature and petty during that episode.

 

[brassbonanza]

Re: BU season thread I - 2014-2015

I don't disagree. I know he spent most of his non-hockey, non-school time back home w/ family & friends.

By all accounts he was a good teammate and wasn't a problem for the coaching staff. I just don't think he had much of a relationship with teammates outside of hockey.

Interesting, this would only further feed the question why did he commit here in the first place? Presumably, on his recruiting trips he must have gotten to know some of his future teammates and had a sense of what the culture was like in the locker room and off the ice.

 

[J.D.]

Re: BU season thread I - 2014-2015

At the time, I recall reading about how Coyle always had some connection to BU so that's why he ended up there. Don't remember what exactly that connection was. Same thing with Eichel. Pretty sure I've read how Eichel grew up a BU fan. somehow

 

[Agganis]

Re: BU season thread I - 2014-2015

Interesting, this would only further feed the question why did he commit here in the first place? Presumably, on his recruiting trips he must have gotten to know some of his future teammates and had a sense of what the culture was like in the locker room and off the ice.

He didn't have any issues with his teammates (AFAIK at least) he was just something of a homebody and would spend as much time there as possible. Perhaps going farther away (Canada and then Minnesota) was what he needed to no longer be dependent on returning frequently.

Pretty sure I've read how Eichel grew up a BU fan. somehow

Eichel was actually a BC fan, maybe he is just a front runner who saw the pendulum swinging

 

[brassbonanza]

Re: BU season thread I - 2014-2015

He didn't have any issues with his teammates (AFAIK at least) he was just something of a homebody and would spend as much time there as possible. Perhaps going farther away (Canada and then Minnesota) was what he needed to no longer be dependent on returning frequently.

Perhaps, I suppose that makes sense as home being so close would be enticing. At some level though, that only feeds the question of why he came back for a second year.

 

[Nick Papagiorgio]

Re: BU season thread I - 2014-2015

He seemed like a decent enough kid, but the way he handled his situation as far as his position on the team was poor, all the way down to lying to the Freep reporters before he quit, saying he wasn't leaving the team when in fact he was. He came off as a bit immature and petty during that episode.

Granted he did fib but he kept fairly quiet and didn't come off like a dipstick ahole such as Cody Ferriero or Sonny Milano, that's for sure. Those two would jump in front of a reporter just so they could say something stupid.

Didn't The Kid stick to his guns about Coyle leaving when the Freepsters were claiming he was staying because Coyle said so? That's pretty quality stuff... Just saying...

At the time, I recall reading about how Coyle always had some connection to BU so that's why he ended up there. Don't remember what exactly that connection was.

I believe Tony Amonte is a cousin or uncle.

 

[Rover]

Re: BU season thread I - 2014-2015

I would guess the problem was the direction of the team. When Coyle was being recruited BU forwards were actually asked to score, instead of dump the puck in the corner and go for a line change as soon as you gain the red line, since the offensive talent of Wilson-Bonino-Gilroy-Yip was too strong for even Parker to deny. Once those players left, it was back to dump and suck. Couple that with the off ice issues and a coach who planned on fossilizing behind the bench, and I can't say I blame the guy.

 

[Agganis]

Re: BU season thread I - 2014-2015

Perhaps, I suppose that makes sense as home being so close would be enticing. At some level though, that only feeds the question of why he came back for a second year.

Because he didn't have a problem with it, it just was how he lived.

Didn't The Kid stick to his guns about Coyle leaving when the Freepsters were claiming he was staying because Coyle said so? That's pretty quality stuff... Just saying...

Sticking to his guns is his move though, he still claims O'Regan was suspended for the first 2 games this year, despite the fact that he played in them.

 

[ericredaxe]

Re: BU season thread I - 2014-2015

I don't recall being on Coyle's case? If anything he was hampered by the constipated offense we had going on while he was on the team....

A lot of the BC Superfanboys turned some of us saying things along the lines of: "Right now I think losing Trivino hurts us more than losing Coyle" into "Coyle sucks and we didn't want him here anyway".

Also, regardless of how you spin it or what the circumstances may have been, quitting on your team and program halfway through the season is about as lame as it gets.

 

[brassbonanza]

Re: BU season thread I - 2014-2015

Didn't The Kid stick to his guns about Coyle leaving when the Freepsters were claiming he was staying because Coyle said so? That's pretty quality stuff... Just saying...

He did, though before he even tweeted anything, Hoky had already started in with his cryptic messages.

 

[J.D.]

A lot of the BC Superfanboys turned some of us saying things along the lines of: "Right now I think losing Trivino hurts us more than losing Coyle" into "Coyle sucks and we didn't want him here anyway".

that's a lie

 

[steakbomb]

Re: BU season thread I - 2014-2015

about Coyle, he committed to BU when he was 15. Things around the program did change drastically from time of committing until he put on his uniform, including, as mentioned the style of play.

Two things that are/were being overlooked, his academic status and, the fact that his rights were traded from SJ to Minn. right before the season he left. NHL teams have different developmental philosophies and I believe that change played a role as well.

Regardless, he's a good kid. Committed to hockey as you can get. However, no he didn't handle his departure well. I think the decision to leave was made in a matter of days, not weeks or months.

 

[ericredaxe]

Re: BU season thread I - 2014-2015

So what are the scouting reports for Michigan and Michigan State this weekend?

 

[defkit]

Re: BU season thread I - 2014-2015

about Coyle, he committed to BU when he was 15. Things around the program did change drastically from time of committing until he put on his uniform, including, as mentioned the style of play.

Two things that are/were being overlooked, his academic status and, the fact that his rights were traded from SJ to Minn. right before the season he left. NHL teams have different developmental philosophies and I believe that change played a role as well.

Regardless, he's a good kid. Committed to hockey as you can get. However, no he didn't handle his departure well. I think the decision to leave was made in a matter of days, not weeks or months.

Well said. I also wonder what people expect him to have done when asked by the Freep (or whoever) if he was leaving. I don't remember all the circumstances or timing, but do we know if he had already told the coach at that point? Because it would be pretty lame to tell a reporter before you have told your coach, and we see a million instances of people stating one stance right up until the immediately reverse course - and again, it is often because there really isn't much choice.

 

[defkit]

Re: BU season thread I - 2014-2015

Is O'Connor available this weekend?

 

[Tater]

Re: BU season thread I - 2014-2015

Is O'Connor available this weekend?

Freep is saying he will play one game this weekend.

http://dailyfreepress.com/2014/10/24/terriers-expects-big-test-from-michigan-state-michigan/

 

[claver2010]

Re: BU season thread I - 2014-2015

So what are the scouting reports for Michigan and Michigan State this weekend?

well Umass was able to split with MSU out there ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[ericredaxe]

Re: BU season thread I - 2014-2015

Well said. I also wonder what people expect him to have done when asked by the Freep (or whoever) if he was leaving. I don't remember all the circumstances or timing, but do we know if he had already told the coach at that point? Because it would be pretty lame to tell a reporter before you have told your coach, and we see a million instances of people stating one stance right up until the immediately reverse course - and again, it is often because there really isn't much choice.

Well, maybe "no comment"? Or even better... how about just not quitting on your team mid-season so you don't even have to answer the question in the first place? Steakbomb mentioned academic status, no idea about that situation and I doubt we ever will. Maybe he was about to be ineligible, who knows.

With that said, he is clearly a talent and it would have been great if he had stuck around for 3 years ala Chiasson.

 

[Nick Papagiorgio]

Re: BU season thread I - 2014-2015

turned some of us saying things along the lines of: "Right now I think losing Trivino hurts us more than losing Coyle" into "Coyle sucks and we didn't want him here anyway".

Interpret my link below as you will, but I'm going to disagree and say this is false. The first statement wasn't really that arguable at the time from anyone (and I don't see anyone disagreeing with that when it is said). The second statement was certainly said by some and they are the ones that have been reminded of it.

I only recall seeing Jofa really stand by his statements that Coyle sucks and who cares and he is the one who has been continually hammered here since Coyle left BU and prospered. Which doesn't really matter since Jofa has all but disappeared now that his Fire Parker dream has come true. But looking back on the thread, rover was pretty close to Jofa on the issue. They were on another planet from everyone else.

http://board.uscho.com/archive/index.php/t-97811-p-47.html

Jofa: "When Calvin Coolidge died someone asked "how can you tell?". When Coyle is gone you can ask the same question. He not only was a dog, he had fleas."

Coyle is misisng something that MacArthur, Zanc, Pete Marshall, Drury, Grier (to name a few ) had and thats "heart" ,that goes a long way.

Apparently he thought Brad Zancannaro was better than Coyle. Ahahahahaha.

Hokydad did have the answer to the $64,000 question before the question was even asked (if you aren't asking yourself right now how BC or BU let this kid slip out of our hands you are not paying attention).

If BU wants to get back in the game, they should be all over Michael Vechionne and bring him in for next year. Just walked away from UNH and is a keeper who would be an immediate impact and help fill the void left from the 2 departures.

Perhaps the best part of the read is the doubt cast on the BC blogger, Coyle lying to the Freep, and then the fanboy shock that their world was turned upside down and that Coyle did indeed lie and the BC kid knew more than the Freepers (shock I tells ya)