Would LOVE to see it. Then college would be more like "college" again. But I agree it will never happen.
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BU 2017 Season Thread III: Terriers falling (into the off season)
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Would LOVE to see it. Then college would be more like "college" again. But I agree it will never happen.
BUtogether
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He is a wise man but no it won't happen but what needs to happen is everyone needs to stop acting like it means you are a definite NHL player or that you are automatically better player than other college players...It's not the NBA or NHL draft where guys are mature and headed straight to the league...I posted something months ago about the NFL Pro Bowl....something like 37 of the 44 pro bowlers were three star or below recruits coming out of high school...what that means is none of them would have been draft picks if the NFL drafted 18 year olds like the NHL..I assure you if the NHL repeated the 2016 draft when the players were 21 it would look quite different
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BUtogether
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You really aren't very bright are you...read the post below..not all of them are high end talent just because they are draft picks and BU probably could have had any player Lowell's roster....again if you do not understand that BU has a tremendous advantage over Lowell or don't think Lowell has some players more talented than the BU draft picks...then you can't fight stupid...and going to play juniors and producing at a high level does not mean you can't play over 18 year olds who are usually drafted on potential not on what they are now....there you go again comparing the NBA draft to the NHL....what you don't like Nick Saban?..hilarious
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Patman
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Re: BU 2017 Season Thread III: Terriers falling (into the off season)
Frankly, I applaud the 18 year olds who go the college route... you know who else plays in the NHL? Larger, skilled, adults. Learn to play against them. There are many things that go into this but another factor may be just having too many "kids" in one room. Cultures are sculpted and can sometimes be fragile things. The team aspect matters a whole lot in the end so you're plugging in personalities together as much as anything else. I'm not calling out BU for issues current or past, think of it more as "good" and "better". Players a year or two older may have the maturity and lesson learning aspects down better or they know that its "now or never" so they ought to listen.
I don't have the answer to this for you guys (no kidding, huh?)... it takes a lot to get talent to execute within a system. I don't even know if Norm could handle the personalities that comes with the talent... and that's not to knock on him but rather to say that different types can be worked in different ways.
If it were me I'd listen to the culture to figure out what its saying... but I only say that for you super-diehards that are closer to the program. the only thing I can think is that the goal should be to build strong leaders and that the on ice play will follow.
Frankly, I applaud the 18 year olds who go the college route... you know who else plays in the NHL? Larger, skilled, adults. Learn to play against them. There are many things that go into this but another factor may be just having too many "kids" in one room. Cultures are sculpted and can sometimes be fragile things. The team aspect matters a whole lot in the end so you're plugging in personalities together as much as anything else. I'm not calling out BU for issues current or past, think of it more as "good" and "better". Players a year or two older may have the maturity and lesson learning aspects down better or they know that its "now or never" so they ought to listen.
I don't have the answer to this for you guys (no kidding, huh?)... it takes a lot to get talent to execute within a system. I don't even know if Norm could handle the personalities that comes with the talent... and that's not to knock on him but rather to say that different types can be worked in different ways.
If it were me I'd listen to the culture to figure out what its saying... but I only say that for you super-diehards that are closer to the program. the only thing I can think is that the goal should be to build strong leaders and that the on ice play will follow.
BUtogether
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Well said
Nick Papagiorgio
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Re: BU 2017 Season Thread III: Terriers falling (into the off season)
Congrats on the win on Friday. That was some crazy stuff you will all remember for a long time. (and UND fans too for all the wrong reasons).
Call on the offsides was right down the middle 50/50 in my opinion, to the point where neither side had a right to complain had it not gone their way. Conclusive? IDK... kinda sorta. He appeared to be off. But I don't feel comfortable saying 100%. 95% though sure. But I do think they got it right.
Bummer about Keller. Kid reminded me of Ben Eaves.
Congrats on the win on Friday. That was some crazy stuff you will all remember for a long time. (and UND fans too for all the wrong reasons).
Call on the offsides was right down the middle 50/50 in my opinion, to the point where neither side had a right to complain had it not gone their way. Conclusive? IDK... kinda sorta. He appeared to be off. But I don't feel comfortable saying 100%. 95% though sure. But I do think they got it right.
Bummer about Keller. Kid reminded me of Ben Eaves.
Re: BU 2017 Season Thread III: Terriers falling (into the off season)
I'm rooting for Jim Montgomery and Denver. I have friends there and they are clearly the best team. I don't think anyone will come close to beating them, even Harvard.
I'm rooting for Jim Montgomery and Denver. I have friends there and they are clearly the best team. I don't think anyone will come close to beating them, even Harvard.
mookie1995
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Re: BU 2017 Season Thread III: Terriers falling (into the off season)
now why again did umo pass on him when they dumped timmy??
now why again did umo pass on him when they dumped timmy??
northeastern
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now why again did umo pass on him when they dumped timmy??
big boo boo by AD i think. that one.. head scratcher.
northeastern
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..of course.. we at NU know bit about head scratching AD decisions.
Re: BU 2017 Season Thread III: Terriers falling (into the off season)
Is that a "baiting" question?
Here's the deal. Tim had been fired and Montgomery was looking for a job. Montgomery was waiting for a call from the AD and never got one. Montgomery was perplexed and openly said he could make Maine once again a national power. I'm just guessing here, but I think the AD was somewhat scared off by the past issue that Montgomery had. In addition, the AD was on his way out the door. Basically, Maine being a public institution they had to go through all of the academic and human resource protocols before hiring anyone. I suspect Denver being private could streamline this process a bit. Anyway, Denver jumped in and made the offer to Montgomery and he took it. Can't blame him. Way more money and much easier to recruit talent for Denver then it would be at Maine. Best situation for he and his family.
now why again did umo pass on him when they dumped timmy??
Is that a "baiting" question?
Here's the deal. Tim had been fired and Montgomery was looking for a job. Montgomery was waiting for a call from the AD and never got one. Montgomery was perplexed and openly said he could make Maine once again a national power. I'm just guessing here, but I think the AD was somewhat scared off by the past issue that Montgomery had. In addition, the AD was on his way out the door. Basically, Maine being a public institution they had to go through all of the academic and human resource protocols before hiring anyone. I suspect Denver being private could streamline this process a bit. Anyway, Denver jumped in and made the offer to Montgomery and he took it. Can't blame him. Way more money and much easier to recruit talent for Denver then it would be at Maine. Best situation for he and his family.
brassbonanza
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Re: BU 2017 Season Thread III: Terriers falling (into the off season)
Just a bit of a mistake.
@runsub - I understand the circumstances surrounding the transition of powers at Maine, but no one there bothered to at least give him a phone call? And what issue was it that he had in the past?
Just a bit of a mistake.
@runsub - I understand the circumstances surrounding the transition of powers at Maine, but no one there bothered to at least give him a phone call? And what issue was it that he had in the past?
Re: BU 2017 Season Thread III: Terriers falling (into the off season)
Yes, Montgomery certainly deserved a phone call. He admitted making a poor decision before driving an automobile. We all make mistakes at some point in our lives. You learn from them and move on.
Yes, Montgomery certainly deserved a phone call. He admitted making a poor decision before driving an automobile. We all make mistakes at some point in our lives. You learn from them and move on.
northeastern
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He wasn't considered because of HR issues. It had nothing to do with the timing of the transition. In Red's defense, Jimmy inherited much more at Denver than he would have at Maine. That's not to say Jimmy wouldn't have more successful than Red but Maine wouldn't be anywhere close to where Denver is right now.
brassbonanza
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Re: BU 2017 Season Thread III: Terriers falling (into the off season)
Ah yeah, just found that buried in an article. Seven years prior at that time he gets one DWI, obviously a very big lapse in judgment, but I would think staying clean and having no record since would make his hiring more than justifiable. If that's the reason they didn't make the hire, that's letting a huge opportunity pass by.
Ah yeah, just found that buried in an article. Seven years prior at that time he gets one DWI, obviously a very big lapse in judgment, but I would think staying clean and having no record since would make his hiring more than justifiable. If that's the reason they didn't make the hire, that's letting a huge opportunity pass by.
brassbonanza
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Re: BU 2017 Season Thread III: Terriers falling (into the off season)
Of course Jim inherited a program in MUCH better position at DU than he would have at Maine, but based on how he's recruited and how obviously well-coached his DU teams have been, there's no reason to believe he wouldn't have brought Maine back to being a Hockey East home ice contender and competing for an at-large NCAA bid by this point.
Of course Jim inherited a program in MUCH better position at DU than he would have at Maine, but based on how he's recruited and how obviously well-coached his DU teams have been, there's no reason to believe he wouldn't have brought Maine back to being a Hockey East home ice contender and competing for an at-large NCAA bid by this point.
E.J. Smith
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Re: BU 2017 Season Thread III: Terriers falling (into the off season)
So Austin Matthews and David Pasternak, to name just two, should still be a year or two from playing in the NHL?
Thiessen'sBetter
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Re: BU 2017 Season Thread III: Terriers falling (into the off season)
And McDavid, Laine, Eichel, Nylander, Marner, Aho and Provorov. All guys playing huge roles on their NHL teams. The system is fine the way it is.
And McDavid, Laine, Eichel, Nylander, Marner, Aho and Provorov. All guys playing huge roles on their NHL teams. The system is fine the way it is.
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