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BU 2017 Season Thread II: Terriers rising

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brassbonanza said:
Yes, and the point still holds true that Spring Break would negatively affect both QF and octofinal series. So again, what's your argument here?
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The attendance in the "extra" round is way worse. My point is that it's a money grab (advertising money - as long as a sponsor pays the expenses they'll just keep adding games). Asking fans to keep paying for more and more "series" is, to me, the epitome of greed. Not to mention that it renders the regular season increasingly less meaningful. But I'm not going to carry on and on with this...it has been discussed on several threads all week anyway. To me, if I were a league representative, I would be embarrassed. But again, as long as "someone" pays apparently they couldn't care about what the "appearance" may be. But my larger point is, even IF it wasn't spring break, the attendance would be worse for THIS series. In other words, the more they add, the less interest there is. But they continue to have them anyway.
 
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So, great. Northeastern. Just when mookie had me convinced that getting a crack at Merrimack to make up for those games in January was a good thing, Merrimack had to screw us yet again by blowing it in their series against UNH. And now Northeastern comes to Agganis. Is BU on break this week? Is Northeastern? I hope the team is well rested and not rusty. I know BU's destiny is in their own hands, but what else would need to happen, if anything, to keep them east?
 
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chickod said:
The attendance in the "extra" round is way worse.
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The one time BU hosted the "extra" first round against UMass (2014): attendance of 1.7k and 1.8k.

The next season when BU hosted the HEA QF (2015): attendance of 2.7k and 3.0k.

So roughly, the new first round takes around 1k off of an already poor attendance figure at BU.

Even though it does poorly at schools like BU and NU, Merrimack and UVM had good attendance figures this past weekend.
 
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chickod said:
The attendance in the "extra" round is way worse. My point is that it's a money grab (advertising money - as long as a sponsor pays the expenses they'll just keep adding games). Asking fans to keep paying for more and more "series" is, to me, the epitome of greed. Not to mention that it renders the regular season increasingly less meaningful. But I'm not going to carry on and on with this...it has been discussed on several threads all week anyway. To me, if I were a league representative, I would be embarrassed. But again, as long as "someone" pays apparently they couldn't care about what the "appearance" may be. But my larger point is, even IF it wasn't spring break, the attendance would be worse for THIS series. In other words, the more they add, the less interest there is. But they continue to have them anyway.
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While you're right that octofinals generally do poorly from an attendance perspective, I hardly think the motivation is as nefarious as you make it out to be. The main goal is to give all 12 teams a shot at the conference tournament championship. Now, if you want to argue that not all 12 deserve that shot and it should be narrowed to eight before the tournament, that's a separate argument. But I hardly think the conference is running to the bank because of these games. Also, from the fan's bank account perspective what's changed? That weekend used to be a regular season weekend that would require fans to buy ticket(s) anyways.

I don't know what structure they'll go to with 11 next season, but if you want to argue 9-11 should be dropped and the final 8 advance to the tournament that's a good discussion to have. Though I think the best argument there isn't the cash grab one but instead to have more RS games. Also, if every other league in the country is going to have a consolation game HE needs to have one as well no matter how dumb they are. From a PWR perspective it hurts the two semifinal losers compared to other conference semifinal losers.

And to Scarlet, yes BU is on break this week as is Northeastern.
 
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brassbonanza said:
While you're right that octofinals generally do poorly from an attendance perspective, I hardly think the motivation is as nefarious as you make it out to be. The main goal is to give all 12 teams a shot at the conference tournament championship. Now, if you want to argue that not all 12 deserve that shot and it should be narrowed to eight before the tournament, that's a separate argument. But I hardly think the conference is running to the bank because of these games. Also, from the fan's bank account perspective what's changed? That weekend used to be a regular season weekend that would require fans to buy ticket(s) anyways.
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We have the same number of regular season games as before. The schedule has just changed. So it is an outlet of extra fan $$$.

I hardly think the motivation is as pure as you make it out to be. :) They may want to give all teams a shot, but I am sure $$$ is an important factor as well. I think the truth lies somewhere between you and chickod.
 
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Do you think the extra round of playoffs is a way to make up for the no consolation game?
 
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Tater said:
We have the same number of regular season games as before. The schedule has just changed. So it is an outlet of extra fan $$$.

I hardly think the motivation is as pure as you make it out to be. :) They may want to give all teams a shot, but I am sure $$$ is an important factor as well. I think the truth lies somewhere between you and chickod.
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The same amount of conference games with 12 teams as there were with 10? There were 27 conference games with 10 teams, 22 now. I agree there's a financial incentive, but to call it a pure cash grab is more than a stretch. Allowing all teams into the conference tournament is pretty much standard across the sports which give an autobid to the tournament winner. And no, the octofinals aren't a makeup for the no consolation game. I'd be in favor of getting rid of them next year and going back to the one game play-in scenario for a few of the bottom teams.
 
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brassbonanza said:
The same amount of conference games with 12 teams as there were with 10? There were 27 conference games with 10 teams, 22 now. I agree there's a financial incentive, but to call it a pure cash grab is more than a stretch. Allowing all teams into the conference tournament is pretty much standard across the sports which give an autobid to the tournament winner. And no, the octofinals aren't a makeup for the no consolation game. I'd be in favor of getting rid of them next year and going back to the one game play-in scenario for a few of the bottom teams.
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The number of overall regular season games is the same, so it is more cash outlay by the fans (as small as it is in the big picture.) Hockey East makes its money through the playoff games, not regular season conference games. So the number of regular season conference games is not relevant.
 
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Tater said:
The number of overall regular season games is the same, so it is more cash outlay by the fans (as small as it is in the big picture.) Hockey East makes its money through the playoff games, not regular season conference games. So the number of regular season conference games is not relevant.
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Went back to my original post on it, meant to say conference games originally not RS...sleepy Monday. It's an extra 2-3 games for the home fans of 33% of the league. While the league certainly is profiting to an extent, I don't see the octofinals as this ploy to milk fans of as much money as humanly possible.
 
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UML, BC and Notre Dame all have a bye this week, don't move at all in the poll. BU has a bye, drops a position. UNFAIR!!!!!! :mad::mad::mad:

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Waiting to hear back from Agganis about tickets for this weekend. I ordered them and remember adding my credit card info yet now it's asking me to pay. I know many people here whined and complained but I liked it when we got these tickets with our season tickets. One less thing to worry about.
 
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brassbonanza said:
Also, if every other league in the country is going to have a consolation game HE needs to have one as well no matter how dumb they are. From a PWR perspective it hurts the two semifinal losers compared to other conference semifinal losers.
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Weather a consolation final would help or hurt in PWR would really depend on what teams are in that game and who wins / loses? If a much lower ranked team were to win the consolation game over a bubble team, wouldn't that actually hurt the bubble team as far as PWR?
 
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Scarlet said:
Waiting to hear back from Agganis about tickets for this weekend. I ordered them and remember adding my credit card info yet now it's asking me to pay. I know many people here whined and complained but I liked it when we got these tickets with our season tickets. One less thing to worry about.
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Interesting that I did not order them and the Agganis account manager website was also asking me to pay. I'm glad that I saw that so they did not automatically run my credit card. Sounds like they have some website issues!
 
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ericredaxe said:
Weather a consolation final would help or hurt in PWR would really depend on what teams are in that game and who wins / loses? If a much lower ranked team were to win the consolation game over a bubble team, wouldn't that actually hurt the bubble team as far as PWR?
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It absolutely could hurt a team as well, but from a PWR perspective, it affords teams another opportunity to play, most often against an opponent where a win would improve their RPI. Consolation games are ridiculous and I'd rather no one have them, but unfortunately everyone except the B1G does it and it affords those NCHC and WCHA teams a second chance to play their way in.
 
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I have been compiling true home game attendance for every Hockey East game going back as far as I can find the information. I have complete attendance figures back to the start of the 2001-02 season, but I thought it made more sense to post my thoughts on the Average Men's Attendance thread I started last year.

Sean
 
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For those of you (especially oldtimers like myself who remember watching these games) who can't wait any longer for the meaningful games to start and are looking for something to do, here are a couple of links:

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExOvBpqcbmo" target=_blank style="color: blue">1971 National Championship Game</a>: BU 4 - Minnesota 2

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsRcmOB6LoY" target=_blank style="color: blue">1972 National Championship Game</a>: BU 4 - Cornell 0
 
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chickod said:
For those of you (especially oldtimers like myself who remember watching these games) who can't wait any longer for the meaningful games to start and are looking for something to do, here are a couple of links:

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExOvBpqcbmo" target=_blank style="color: blue">1971 National Championship Game</a>: BU 4 - Minnesota 2

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsRcmOB6LoY" target=_blank style="color: blue">1972 National Championship Game</a>: BU 4 - Cornell 0
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A few companion pieces to these two title games:
--The Vagabond Champions
--Looking back at BU's 1972 Champions
In the '71 title game, IIRC, Bob Brown's slapshot cracked Minnesota goalie Dennis Erickson's kneecap, but he stayed in the game. The most dominant BU squad ever finished 28-2-1 and averaged a 7-2 win.
 
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