Yes, it does. The man is well off. The job he chose to keep busy was more tine consuming and entailed more teavel than he would have liked. Normal oeople deal with this because they need the money. Mceachern doesn't need the money thus left college hockey and took a lower paying job with less travel...if he had never played in the nhl he'd likely be still grinding it out in hopes to be a head coach...but he doesn't need to grind it out...
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BU 2013 Offseason Thread - Bring on the Mighty Quinn
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Yes, it does. The man is well off. The job he chose to keep busy was more tine consuming and entailed more teavel than he would have liked. Normal oeople deal with this because they need the money. Mceachern doesn't need the money thus left college hockey and took a lower paying job with less travel...if he had never played in the nhl he'd likely be still grinding it out in hopes to be a head coach...but he doesn't need to grind it out...
I don't understand why this is such a hard concept to wrap your head around. Full time nhl players who collect a pension are well off. If they have half a brain and took care of their money they don't "need" to work...college hockey assistants earn anywhere from 50-110k depending on the league...in theory these jobs are appealing to former nhlers---that is until they take the job and realize the amount of hours and travel required.
.and for what, 75k? Small potatoes to those guys. Thats why they don't work out...
ericredaxe
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I have a family, I am not a former NHL'er. I did not persue the opporunity for a sales job that required extensive travel that would have paid a little more because I didn't want to be gone from the family all the time. The desire to not be away all the time when you have a family does not have anything to do with having played in the NHL or not.
I have a family, I am not a former NHL'er. I did not persue the opporunity for a sales job that required extensive travel that would have paid a little more because I didn't want to be gone from the family all the time. The desire to not be away all the time when you have a family does not have anything to do with having played in the NHL or not.
I could care less about your situation. I am telling you why for NHL players do not work out as college hockey assistant coaches. Find me a college hocjey assistant with over 400 nhl games played who has been at their school more than just a couple years...can't find one? I wonder why? Are they not qualified? Can they not coach? Is their name not good enough? Or do u think just maybe, just maybe---they don't need the money and the time and effort for a medium income isn't worth it?
ericredaxe
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Thats fine. I'm just saying that the desire to not travel and be away with your family has nothing to do with being a former NHL player.
Thats fine. I'm just saying that the desire to not travel and be away with your family has nothing to do with being a former NHL player.
Re: BU 2013 Offseason Thread - Bring on the Mighty Quinn
Mike Mottau is a perfect example of why David Quinn will hire Greely over one of the many NHL stars that BU has to choose from.
Mottau is a guy who has not played 400 games thus will not collect a pension--but he has still made enough money to live comfortable. He is from the Boston area and ownes a house in Duxbury. When the BC job opened up he jumped at the opportunity--stating a desire to get into coaching. It was a nice idea, live at home, show up at practice for BC and draw up some drills at the grease board. Get out every now and then and see a top recruit and after 3 or 4 years of doing this have the chance to take over for Jerry York.
Well Mottau didnt get the BC job. But because he said he wanted to coach Mike Cavanaugh jumped at the opportunity and offered him a job. Guess what? He didnt want that job. Why? because he knows hed have to work hard. He knows hed have to move his family. He knows hed have to be all over north america in search of players. These guys DO NOT want to do that.
Most coaches in their early 30's would chew their arm off at the opportunity to go into a place like UCONN and build a program and make a mark on college hockey. Mottau justed wanted to stroll into BC with his coffee for a few years, run a few practices, and take over for Jerry York.
These guys dont need the money and are not willing to put in the man hours to be successful college hockey assistants. Dave Quinn knows this. Quinn has tons of NHL connections and could have easily coaxed a former NHLer into coming to BU. But Quinn is smarter than that and knows the type of effort he would get in return. Instead he went out and got someone who is young, hungry, and appreciative of the job. Someone who does not feel entitled, someone who will put in the hours and not say boo about it. Thats why Greely is a better higher than a Mike Grier or Scott Young...
Mike Mottau is a perfect example of why David Quinn will hire Greely over one of the many NHL stars that BU has to choose from.
Mottau is a guy who has not played 400 games thus will not collect a pension--but he has still made enough money to live comfortable. He is from the Boston area and ownes a house in Duxbury. When the BC job opened up he jumped at the opportunity--stating a desire to get into coaching. It was a nice idea, live at home, show up at practice for BC and draw up some drills at the grease board. Get out every now and then and see a top recruit and after 3 or 4 years of doing this have the chance to take over for Jerry York.
Well Mottau didnt get the BC job. But because he said he wanted to coach Mike Cavanaugh jumped at the opportunity and offered him a job. Guess what? He didnt want that job. Why? because he knows hed have to work hard. He knows hed have to move his family. He knows hed have to be all over north america in search of players. These guys DO NOT want to do that.
Most coaches in their early 30's would chew their arm off at the opportunity to go into a place like UCONN and build a program and make a mark on college hockey. Mottau justed wanted to stroll into BC with his coffee for a few years, run a few practices, and take over for Jerry York.
These guys dont need the money and are not willing to put in the man hours to be successful college hockey assistants. Dave Quinn knows this. Quinn has tons of NHL connections and could have easily coaxed a former NHLer into coming to BU. But Quinn is smarter than that and knows the type of effort he would get in return. Instead he went out and got someone who is young, hungry, and appreciative of the job. Someone who does not feel entitled, someone who will put in the hours and not say boo about it. Thats why Greely is a better higher than a Mike Grier or Scott Young...
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Jeez---you had to dig long and hard for that one. You got me there, but what I will say is that the basis of my argument is that NHL players do not need the money thus are not willing to put in the time. Johnson played in the NHL in the 80's prior to salaries really getting inflated and he may actually have needed the check... But good find...
Jeez---you had to dig long and hard for that one. You got me there, but what I will say is that the basis of my argument is that NHL players do not need the money thus are not willing to put in the time. Johnson played in the NHL in the 80's prior to salaries really getting inflated and he may actually have needed the check... But good find...
Harry Cleverly
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Re: BU 2013 Offseason Thread - Bring on the Mighty Quinn
That is an incredibly cynical post.
For some people it may well be true. It may or not be true for Mottau. But each case needs to be taken individually. To categorically state that ex-NHL players won't work as hard paints a broad brush that is most unfortunate.
In the case of Mike Grier, he received huge compliments for his running of the practices for the locked out NHL players. His work ethic as a player was never questioned, so what makes you think his work ethic as a coach should be questioned?
Greely may be a great choice. Grier may be a great choice. You have to take each case individually. Anything less would be unfair stereotyping.
That is an incredibly cynical post.
For some people it may well be true. It may or not be true for Mottau. But each case needs to be taken individually. To categorically state that ex-NHL players won't work as hard paints a broad brush that is most unfortunate.
In the case of Mike Grier, he received huge compliments for his running of the practices for the locked out NHL players. His work ethic as a player was never questioned, so what makes you think his work ethic as a coach should be questioned?
Greely may be a great choice. Grier may be a great choice. You have to take each case individually. Anything less would be unfair stereotyping.
Re: BU 2013 Offseason Thread - Bring on the Mighty Quinn
I think Mike Grier would be a great coach. I think he would run great practices. I am sure he did a good job during the lockout.
But guess what---that is not the role of an assistant coach in college. Pro hockey, yes. College hockey, no. Assistants do all the recruiting. They spend tons of nights on the road. They have to show recruits around campus. They have to suck up to parents, agents, etc.
What I am getting at is that pro guys want these jobs and feel that it will be all about development and practices--because in their world that is what assistant coaches do. Then they figure out that it is actually all about recruiting, selling the program, stroking parents egos, etc and they bail on the job for something different.
Grier might make for a good head coach. Assistant--not so much. I am asking you a serious question--do you think mike grier is going to get up at 6Am and drive down to North Jersey to see some kid, sit in traffic all the way down there and back--get home at 7PM and then wake up the next morning at 6AM to catch a flight to Alberta for the weekend and spend your time in cities like Grand Prairie and Brooks? All for what is considered very little money to him? Nope...Not happening...
I think Mike Grier would be a great coach. I think he would run great practices. I am sure he did a good job during the lockout.
But guess what---that is not the role of an assistant coach in college. Pro hockey, yes. College hockey, no. Assistants do all the recruiting. They spend tons of nights on the road. They have to show recruits around campus. They have to suck up to parents, agents, etc.
What I am getting at is that pro guys want these jobs and feel that it will be all about development and practices--because in their world that is what assistant coaches do. Then they figure out that it is actually all about recruiting, selling the program, stroking parents egos, etc and they bail on the job for something different.
Grier might make for a good head coach. Assistant--not so much. I am asking you a serious question--do you think mike grier is going to get up at 6Am and drive down to North Jersey to see some kid, sit in traffic all the way down there and back--get home at 7PM and then wake up the next morning at 6AM to catch a flight to Alberta for the weekend and spend your time in cities like Grand Prairie and Brooks? All for what is considered very little money to him? Nope...Not happening...
RealHockeyDad
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You have to realize though that Grier is not going to get a head coaching job without some experience in the recruiting and assistant time. If he wants to be a college head coach he is going to have to put some miles on...
You have to realize though that Grier is not going to get a head coaching job without some experience in the recruiting and assistant time. If he wants to be a college head coach he is going to have to put some miles on...
Tell that to Dave Poulin, Ted donato, and even Keith Alain
Re: BU 2013 Offseason Thread - Bring on the Mighty Quinn
You are ignoring what Harry said. You're just lumping every ex-NHL player into the same category. Are some, maybe even most, like this? Sure. Are all of them? Absolutely not. You don't know Mike Grier personally, you don't know Shawn McEachern personally. My guess is that if Grier took an NCAA assistant job, he'd love to put in the time, effort and mileage. Some people want to coach college hockey because they want to teach younger people how to play the game and develop them as young men; other people want to coach hockey and don't feel like dealing with hot shots who think they're great because they make a lot of money. Some people want to coach in the NHL to avoid dealing with recruiting and parents. Some people want to coach young people and help them develop but not deal with recruiting so they coach high school. Each person's interests are different and reasons for doing things are different.
You are ignoring what Harry said. You're just lumping every ex-NHL player into the same category. Are some, maybe even most, like this? Sure. Are all of them? Absolutely not. You don't know Mike Grier personally, you don't know Shawn McEachern personally. My guess is that if Grier took an NCAA assistant job, he'd love to put in the time, effort and mileage. Some people want to coach college hockey because they want to teach younger people how to play the game and develop them as young men; other people want to coach hockey and don't feel like dealing with hot shots who think they're great because they make a lot of money. Some people want to coach in the NHL to avoid dealing with recruiting and parents. Some people want to coach young people and help them develop but not deal with recruiting so they coach high school. Each person's interests are different and reasons for doing things are different.
So, if your logic was correct, then Mike Tyson would be really wealthy. Ditto Allen Iverson. Now, if you are 10 then you might not be expected to understand that income alone does not ensure financial stability.
Repeat after me...think, then type...think, then type.
Practice that 100 times and then get back to us.
Your the one comparing mike Grier to Tyson and iverson...not me...please refer to my previous post when I stated that a guy who plays 400 plus games in the nhl AND has half a brain should be able to live comfortably...Tyson and iverson have drug and gambling problems---way to find the most extreme cases to prove that not ALL pro athletes live comfortably after retirement. Congrats. Also---thank you for educating me...now I know that not ALL athletes can afford to live off of interest and investments....moron....
Ok...yes...about 1% of retired Full time nhl players might make for a good assistant....we haven't seen it...we likely won't see it anytime soon...but yes, there is a chance that someone who makes .5 million dollars a year on interest alone will run around the country chasing 16 year old kids to add 90k to his bank account....that said---it's not going to be mike Grier or Scott young---this much I know and that has been the point of this discussion.
Re: BU 2013 Offseason Thread - Bring on the Mighty Quinn
So people only do things for money? People don't enjoy activities or jobs unless they are making what is a significant amount of money to them while doing said activity or job? Okay, thanks for enlightening all of us.
So people only do things for money? People don't enjoy activities or jobs unless they are making what is a significant amount of money to them while doing said activity or job? Okay, thanks for enlightening all of us.
See, you didn't follow the mantra...think, then post. Your premise, and don't run from it, coward, was a player with XX years NHL experience doesn't need the money. Yes, I used 2 extreme examples, because they both made multiples of what a typical NHL star makes. you focused on the drugs and gambling...not divorce, kids, houses, healthcare and the difficult transition from earning a very large paycheck to earning nothing or relatively nothing. If you are suggesting there are only two ex-professional athletes who have suffered financial hardship you should take that theory to a board that isn't full of sports fans...it isn't even worth the time to demonstrate the idiocy of that second theory you have launched from the half-baked factory.
Help me out, keep typing, PLEASE!...that will be the best evidence to demonstrate you are indeed an idiot.
Disclaimer: if you are actually10 years old, or have suffered a traumatic brain injury, I don't mean to take advantage...just mention it in passing in one of your posts and I'll just skip your future comments.
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So, what is the average pension amount for an NHL'er?
Any chance that until earlier this year it was capped at an amount less than $75k?
And, how do you know what every retired NHL player is thinking? I don't know Mike Mottau...but I would pay $5 to watch you float your coffee carrying, slacker theory to his face.
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