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BU 2013 Offseason Thread - Bring on the Mighty Quinn
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Re: BU 2013 Offseason Thread - Bring on the Mighty Quinn
Chiasson is a bad example for his point he was making.
Freshman - 19pts
Soph. - 34pts
Junior - 46pts
He actually developed here quite well.
Chiasson is a bad example for his point he was making.
Freshman - 19pts
Soph. - 34pts
Junior - 46pts
He actually developed here quite well.
A guy with NHL level talent to pot a goal a game in the pros should have been dominating Hockey East. I think he had the talent but was constrained by a defense first, score second philosophy as are many a player who came through here. Hence 1 FF appearance in 18 years. Anybody who doesn't see that has a screw loose or is related to the coaching staff IMHO.
Re: BU 2013 Offseason Thread - Bring on the Mighty Quinn
Your overall point is correct it is just that Chaisson isn't the best player to hang your hat on as an example to prove that point. He developed well at BU. No one believes he is going to keep up anywhere close to the pace he has scored in the beginning of his NHL career. As another poster brought up, Chiasson's AHL numbers, while solid, are not earth shattering. It leads credence to the point that Chaisson's NHL scoring pace will slow down. We are not talking about the next Gretsky here. Chiasson has a 42.1 shot percentage. That won't continue.
I'm would bet a lot that Chiasson is satisfied how his time at BU prepared him for the pros.
Your overall point is correct it is just that Chaisson isn't the best player to hang your hat on as an example to prove that point. He developed well at BU. No one believes he is going to keep up anywhere close to the pace he has scored in the beginning of his NHL career. As another poster brought up, Chiasson's AHL numbers, while solid, are not earth shattering. It leads credence to the point that Chaisson's NHL scoring pace will slow down. We are not talking about the next Gretsky here. Chiasson has a 42.1 shot percentage. That won't continue.
I'm would bet a lot that Chiasson is satisfied how his time at BU prepared him for the pros.
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KnightsOfTheRound
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Re: BU 2013 Offseason Thread - Bring on the Mighty Quinn
Nieto scored a goal against my Rangers last night (so did half of the Bay Area it felt like)
Nieto scored a goal against my Rangers last night (so did half of the Bay Area it felt like)
Re: BU 2013 Offseason Thread - Bring on the Mighty Quinn
He added two assists and was the second star, just slightly overshadowed by fellow rookie Tomas Hertl's four goals.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvYkq8uVy1c
He added two assists and was the second star, just slightly overshadowed by fellow rookie Tomas Hertl's four goals.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvYkq8uVy1c
Back check
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How did those BU offensive defencemen who made it to the NHL ever survive those shackles and chains of the unimaginitive BU coaching staff?
All two or three of them in the 10 years before 2009? (Poti, Whitney, and Meyer IIRC). Yeah we were really stocking up the pros back then.
Back check
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All two or three of them in the 10 years before 2009? (Poti, Whitney, and Meyer IIRC). Yeah we were really stocking up the pros back then.
BU one of the top NCAA schools for having players from their program in the NHL. A good portion of those are offensive defencemen, and more on the way. To say that BU players' offensive abilities are stunted by coaching staff is ridiculous.
Re: BU 2013 Offseason Thread - Bring on the Mighty Quinn
Chiasson had a career .948 points per game in conference (regular season). If he had stayed for his senior year (assuming he played all 27 Hockey East games and that his ppg stayed the same) he would have finished with 97 points in hockey east. 100 would be good enough for 50th in the history of the conference. So if he played just a little better in his final season than he averaged over his first three (I think that's pretty reasonable as his points total increased by close to 80% between his freshman and sophomore years and by 35% between sophomore and junior year), he would be only the third player in the last 13 seasons to crack into the top 50 point scorers in Hockey East play. One of the other 2 is Pete MacArthur. I think that's pretty good. Coyle also only played 53 games total. Not very good examples.
I think everyone would have to agree with that.
Freshman to sophomore - Increased points total by 80%
Sohpomore to Junior - Increased points total by 35%
That seems like pretty much exactly what you hope for in a players development.
I don't think it's a defense first philosophy, but I do think Parker picked which players he wanted to take the shots and make plays and which ones he wanted to dump it in or pass back to the blue line. Which brings me to the point of not having a defense first philosophy. Looking at the defensemen BU brought in and how they were used, it seems like they were more interested in having 5 offensive players on the ice than having anyone capable of playing stay home defense. Shattenkirk, Warsofsky, Cohen, Clandening, all took more shots on net than most forwards (Clandening had more shots on goal in 11-12 than either Chiasson or Nieto). I understand the benefit of an offensive defenseman, but in the past 4 seasons, a defenseman has been in the top 3-4 players on the team in shots on goal every year. Whatever Parker's strategy was, it relied way too much on defensemen shooting the puck on net and not giving the forwards a chance to create offense. If it were football it would be like if every other play was a 60 yard throw to the endzone.
Chiasson had a career .948 points per game in conference (regular season). If he had stayed for his senior year (assuming he played all 27 Hockey East games and that his ppg stayed the same) he would have finished with 97 points in hockey east. 100 would be good enough for 50th in the history of the conference. So if he played just a little better in his final season than he averaged over his first three (I think that's pretty reasonable as his points total increased by close to 80% between his freshman and sophomore years and by 35% between sophomore and junior year), he would be only the third player in the last 13 seasons to crack into the top 50 point scorers in Hockey East play. One of the other 2 is Pete MacArthur. I think that's pretty good. Coyle also only played 53 games total. Not very good examples.
I think everyone would have to agree with that.
Freshman to sophomore - Increased points total by 80%
Sohpomore to Junior - Increased points total by 35%
That seems like pretty much exactly what you hope for in a players development.
I don't think it's a defense first philosophy, but I do think Parker picked which players he wanted to take the shots and make plays and which ones he wanted to dump it in or pass back to the blue line. Which brings me to the point of not having a defense first philosophy. Looking at the defensemen BU brought in and how they were used, it seems like they were more interested in having 5 offensive players on the ice than having anyone capable of playing stay home defense. Shattenkirk, Warsofsky, Cohen, Clandening, all took more shots on net than most forwards (Clandening had more shots on goal in 11-12 than either Chiasson or Nieto). I understand the benefit of an offensive defenseman, but in the past 4 seasons, a defenseman has been in the top 3-4 players on the team in shots on goal every year. Whatever Parker's strategy was, it relied way too much on defensemen shooting the puck on net and not giving the forwards a chance to create offense. If it were football it would be like if every other play was a 60 yard throw to the endzone.
ericredaxe
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Re: BU 2013 Offseason Thread - Bring on the Mighty Quinn
Are there any examples of someone who struggled to score here for 3 years who are now lighting it up in the NHL?
Are there any examples of someone who struggled to score here for 3 years who are now lighting it up in the NHL?
Re: BU 2013 Offseason Thread - Bring on the Mighty Quinn
Guys, you're going off on a tangent that has nothing to do with the point I was making. Nobody's questioning Chiasson's talent, nor what he accomplished. What I am saying is at BU we need more guys who dominate, not who have good careers. We need those too, but we also need the guys who take it to the next level. Like Hobey consideration level. Otherwise you get but 1 FF appearance despite all the resources the school has in this sport, and that year we did have a dominant player (Wilson).
People like Back Check seem to be satisfied with finishing with home ice and a 1st round NCAA exit. I'm not. Not when our arch rival is racking up hardware left and right. What I'm hearing from people is the same thing, which is frustration with not winning more but no ability to criticize anything about the team. If the D was fine, the O was fine, the goalies were fine, the offensive system was fine, the coaching was fine...why then 1 FF over almost two decades???? (and again, this isn't a criticism of Chiasson, who like a lot of other players could have most likely had a better career over here if allowed to play a system more suited to his style).
Guys, you're going off on a tangent that has nothing to do with the point I was making. Nobody's questioning Chiasson's talent, nor what he accomplished. What I am saying is at BU we need more guys who dominate, not who have good careers. We need those too, but we also need the guys who take it to the next level. Like Hobey consideration level. Otherwise you get but 1 FF appearance despite all the resources the school has in this sport, and that year we did have a dominant player (Wilson).
People like Back Check seem to be satisfied with finishing with home ice and a 1st round NCAA exit. I'm not. Not when our arch rival is racking up hardware left and right. What I'm hearing from people is the same thing, which is frustration with not winning more but no ability to criticize anything about the team. If the D was fine, the O was fine, the goalies were fine, the offensive system was fine, the coaching was fine...why then 1 FF over almost two decades???? (and again, this isn't a criticism of Chiasson, who like a lot of other players could have most likely had a better career over here if allowed to play a system more suited to his style).
BCeagle
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Re: BU 2013 Offseason Thread - Bring on the Mighty Quinn
On the other hand BU had dominated for decades over BC, so at sometime it had to change for the better, and York was the answer. NU unfortunately was headed that way then Cronin is gone. I agree that BU fans expect more after so much success.
BU is one school that gets good recruits over NU consistently but players leaving early hurt both schools too as it would with any program.
I don't like the fact that we'll be only playing each team only 2X a year in HE.
A great or good college player does not always mean he has a good NHL career or even makes it.
On the other hand BU had dominated for decades over BC, so at sometime it had to change for the better, and York was the answer. NU unfortunately was headed that way then Cronin is gone. I agree that BU fans expect more after so much success.
BU is one school that gets good recruits over NU consistently but players leaving early hurt both schools too as it would with any program.
I don't like the fact that we'll be only playing each team only 2X a year in HE.
A great or good college player does not always mean he has a good NHL career or even makes it.
ericredaxe
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Re: BU 2013 Offseason Thread - Bring on the Mighty Quinn
A big part of the problem is that we are starting with an inferior product. I wouldn't think the switch from Nathan's to Kayem would be a big deal (and would be nice to support the local business) but who knows what type of contracts they have with the various products. But even if they did switch brands they still need to execute. Fresh buns, making sure the dogs are actually hot, and proper condiments would go a long way towards the hot dog experience at Agganis.
I did try the sliders on Saturday. I will give them credit that they seemed improved over last year... maybe it was the luck of the draw. Who knows.
Also though, the relish dispenser was empty. How can it be empty on the first game of the year?
A big part of the problem is that we are starting with an inferior product. I wouldn't think the switch from Nathan's to Kayem would be a big deal (and would be nice to support the local business) but who knows what type of contracts they have with the various products. But even if they did switch brands they still need to execute. Fresh buns, making sure the dogs are actually hot, and proper condiments would go a long way towards the hot dog experience at Agganis.
I did try the sliders on Saturday. I will give them credit that they seemed improved over last year... maybe it was the luck of the draw. Who knows.
Also though, the relish dispenser was empty. How can it be empty on the first game of the year?
Carmine Scarpaglia
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Re: BU 2013 Offseason Thread - Bring on the Mighty Quinn
You guys sure do spend a lot of time talking about wieners. Not that I'm surprised!
You guys sure do spend a lot of time talking about wieners. Not that I'm surprised!
Back check
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Speculate much? Posters don't agree with your lame comments about players not being allowed to develop offensively at BU and your answer is to critique somebody else's satisfaction level with the Terriers' HE and NCAA results?
Re: BU 2013 Offseason Thread - Bring on the Mighty Quinn
NU has won a fair share of recruiting battles with bu. Not everyone wanted to play for a legend in a shiny new building. Yes, both teams have lost some top players to the pros or for other reasons. The vast majority of our kids have left voluntarily. The term "lineup" has very different meanings on Comm. Ave than it does on Huntington.
Our games are usually great fun (OK not late last years late games when we had 7 forwards and you had your act together). It's a shame that we have to wait until March to play you (except in the BP). It's been that way for a number of years. Anyone know why?
I understand that this season ending "tradition" will end after this season.
NU has won a fair share of recruiting battles with bu. Not everyone wanted to play for a legend in a shiny new building. Yes, both teams have lost some top players to the pros or for other reasons. The vast majority of our kids have left voluntarily. The term "lineup" has very different meanings on Comm. Ave than it does on Huntington.
Our games are usually great fun (OK not late last years late games when we had 7 forwards and you had your act together). It's a shame that we have to wait until March to play you (except in the BP). It's been that way for a number of years. Anyone know why?
I understand that this season ending "tradition" will end after this season.
Re: BU 2013 Offseason Thread - Bring on the Mighty Quinn
With the season about to start and people complaining that BU doesn't have any dominant players and considering the fact that I believe BC started their Hobey-watch on Gaudreau at about this time last year, I'll just leave these stats here for people to make of them what they want.
Freshman Year:
Johnny Gaudreau: 21-23-44 in 44 games. That was on a team that scored 414 total points putting him at 10.63% of BC's points
Danny O'Reagan: 16-22-38 in 39 games. That was on a team that scored 326 total points putting him at 11.65% of BU's points
Now obviously their playing styles are different but why are BU fans not as excited about what O'Reagan might do this year as BC fans were about Gaudreau last year? Is it because Gaudreau scored some goals in the NCAA tournament as a freshman and O'Reagan didn't because he didn't get a chance?
With the season about to start and people complaining that BU doesn't have any dominant players and considering the fact that I believe BC started their Hobey-watch on Gaudreau at about this time last year, I'll just leave these stats here for people to make of them what they want.
Freshman Year:
Johnny Gaudreau: 21-23-44 in 44 games. That was on a team that scored 414 total points putting him at 10.63% of BC's points
Danny O'Reagan: 16-22-38 in 39 games. That was on a team that scored 326 total points putting him at 11.65% of BU's points
Now obviously their playing styles are different but why are BU fans not as excited about what O'Reagan might do this year as BC fans were about Gaudreau last year? Is it because Gaudreau scored some goals in the NCAA tournament as a freshman and O'Reagan didn't because he didn't get a chance?
You're either a relative of Parker's, in which case no disrespect for all he's done for the program, or you're watching a different team and getting them confused with the Terriers. The notion that BU is developing offensive players is absurd. Again, if we do all these things well, where's the hardware to show for it? Since 2009, IIRC its no FF's, no HE tourney championships, and no Beanpots. If all these players are superstars, what gives?
Terrance, I think fans are very excited about O'Regan. He's got the chance to be one of those star players and if the constipated offensive scheme is abandoned who knows what he'll accomplish.
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