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Brown Hockey 2013-2014 - Climbing to the Top of the ECAC Ladder

Re: Brown Hockey 2013-2014 - Climbing to the Top of the ECAC Ladder

sk8tronthepond said:
Sorry but this is laughable. Before his injury, he was going to be a top 4 d-man on the team....and would be this year if he came back. Again, NOT a factor. As far as your depth on D statement is concerned, last year Coach Whittet had to put a forward back on D because of the injuries and lack of depth. BTW, he is a better D than he is a forward.......question is.....will he remain on D.
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Not sure how that's laughable. Widman WAS a sure bet for a top-4 d-man...before Brown became one of the best defensive teams in the league due to the standout performances by an unheralded group, all of which is returning except for Richie Crowley, who was, at times, the weakest link.

Robertson-Pfeil
Goldberg-Wahl
Quick-De Concylis

Plus there are two promising freshmen coming in. That's six spots for nine guys. And Widman just missed almost an entire year, so he's sure to be rusty out of the gate and possibly fall behind the others. Why wouldn't he want to regain his form with his USHL club before making a comeback attempt after Robo, Wahl and Goldberg have graduated?

Yes, it's entirely plausible that he's done with Brown. I wouldn't be too surprised if that turned out to be true. But I'd say it's equally likely that he'll be back in 2014, and in great shape, ready to prove himself as a capable player in the wake of a couple big losses for the defensive corps.
 
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Though from the tone of Euler's post, it does seem like Widman isn't coming back. I'm sure Euler can't tell us for certain either way due to the classified nature of the situation, but that's my take.
 
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kdiff77 said:
Not sure how that's laughable. Widman WAS a sure bet for a top-4 d-man...before Brown became one of the best defensive teams in the league due to the standout performances by an unheralded group, all of which is returning except for Richie Crowley, who was, at times, the weakest link.

Robertson-Pfeil
Goldberg-Wahl
Quick-De Concylis

Plus there are two promising freshmen coming in. That's six spots for nine guys. And Widman just missed almost an entire year, so he's sure to be rusty out of the gate and possibly fall behind the others. Why wouldn't he want to regain his form with his USHL club before making a comeback attempt after Robo, Wahl and Goldberg have graduated?

Yes, it's entirely plausible that he's done with Brown. I wouldn't be too surprised if that turned out to be true. But I'd say it's equally likely that he'll be back in 2014, and in great shape, ready to prove himself as a capable player in the wake of a couple big losses for the defensive corps.
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What is laughable is your speculation that he is concerned about the competition within the team D and being rusty after his injury. The situation has nothing to do with the team, the d corps, the coaching staff, etc. Some financial aid schools are guilty of raising the parental contribution after a student-athlete has been there two or three years. In those cases, players have no other options. If it happens after the first year and players have options, they will exercise them. Plain and simple.
 
sk8tronthepond said:
What is laughable is your speculation that he is concerned about the competition within the team D and being rusty after his injury. The situation has nothing to do with the team, the d corps, the coaching staff, etc. Some financial aid schools are guilty of raising the parental contribution after a student-athlete has been there two or three years. In those cases, players have no other options. If it happens after the first year and players have options, they will exercise them. Plain and simple.
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Well, you could have merely explained that in the first place, rather than been a condescending ******, couldn't you have?

All you provided were one-sentence statements with no detail whatsoever, mostly simply asserting that I, and others, were incorrect. Learn how to communicate. Not everyone is an expert on these types of scenarios. This is the "fan" forum, not the "guys who study the NCAA legislature for fun" forum.
 
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Since July Tom Reale in his Without a Peer Blog - http://www.withoutapeer.com/ -has been discussing one at a time each ECAC team under the Title "Know Your Enemy". Good stuff and well worth a read. No time frame for when Brown will be discussed but Ralph Baer has been thoughtful in giving Brown fans a heads-up by a post on this thread when Brown is discussed or will be in the past. Anytime soon Ralph?
 
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Mike Hutter said:
Since July Tom Reale in his Without a Peer Blog - http://www.withoutapeer.com/ -has been discussing one at a time each ECAC team under the Title "Know Your Enemy". Good stuff and well worth a read. No time frame for when Brown will be discussed but Ralph Baer has been thoughtful in giving Brown fans a heads-up by a post on this thread when Brown is discussed or will be in the past. Anytime soon Ralph?
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Tom's been following the RPI schedule so I wouldn't expect to see Brown for a few weeks.
 
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Three points for a regulation win? Why not? See below:

http://www.uscho.com/2013/08/20/miac-announces-rule-changes-to-both-mens-and-womens-conferences/

I would like to see the ECAC adopt a similar rule: three points for a regulation win, two points for an overtime win, one point for an overtime loss, no points for a regulation loss. Or perhaps without the shootout, three points for a regulation win, two points for an overtime win, one point for an overtime loss or tie. It might open up the game.

But maybe not; there aren't too many truly offensive coaches in the East these days, Terry Meagher (Bowdoin) probably being the most daring and creative of them.
 
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BROWN PICKED EIGHTH BY THE LEAGUE COACHES

1. Yale 103
2. RPI 102
3. Quinnipiac 93
Union 93
5. Cornell 89
6. Harvard 67
7. Dartmouth 64
8. Brown 46
9. Colgate 44
10. St. Lawrence 43
11. Princeton 26
12. Clarkson 22
 
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Mike Hutter said:
Pre-Season support for Matt Lorito:

http://www.westerncollegehockeyblog...rew-calof-greg-carey-jesse-root-tyler-sikura-
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Well-deserved recognition. Matt is not only an outstanding player but a terrific kid overall.

Matt Lorito and Mark Naclerio (center) are an excellent offensive duo, who complement each other extremely well. I don't think people always realize how good Naclerio is. Matt is a top-notch player but having Mark as his center had a lot to do with his success last season.

If Nick Lappin continues to develop -- and I think he will -- the Lorito, Naclerio, Lappin line could be one of the best in the league.

But for this line to be really effective, Brown will need to find a second solid offensive line, which it lacked last year. I think the potential is there, especially when Ryan Jacobson returns from his rehab. I wouldn't be surprised if young players like Kyle Kramer and Davey Middleton stepped in and played a major role.
 
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Ralph Baer said:
RPI Blog Without a Peer's annual post about Brown http://www.withoutapeer.com/2013/09/know-your-enemy-brown.html.


I have no connection with WaP besides for being a reader.
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This post is interesting, because while it seems to praise Brown for the majority of the piece, it ends on a sour note.

"The question for Brown this season is thus - can they do something similar to what St. Lawrence did last season, and get enough offense to make what could be a mediocre defense hold up? If so, Brown can certainly find itself shooting for the stars with an outside shot at being a first-round bye contender. If not, treading water is going to be perhaps as much as they can hope for."

Strange analysis, given the seeming indecision of the author to pass judgment.
 
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kdiff77 said:
This post is interesting, because while it seems to praise Brown for the majority of the piece, it ends on a sour note.

"The question for Brown this season is thus - can they do something similar to what St. Lawrence did last season, and get enough offense to make what could be a mediocre defense hold up? If so, Brown can certainly find itself shooting for the stars with an outside shot at being a first-round bye contender. If not, treading water is going to be perhaps as much as they can hope for."

Strange analysis, given the seeming indecision of the author to pass judgment.
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Not sure how the analysis is out of touch with the rest of the piece. I noted well that Brown's offense is much improved, and that the blueliners are above the league's average, but that my concern was between the pipes. My judgment hinges very clearly on whether goaltending is there or not. I'm not willing to say that it isn't, there's just not enough data for someone not in tune with the program to really know for sure. If you're asking me to be an expert on all 12 teams in the league (or, perhaps, just Brown), you're asking a bit much considering the scope of the blog.
 
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realet said:
Not sure how the analysis is out of touch with the rest of the piece. I noted well that Brown's offense is much improved, and that the blueliners are above the league's average, but that my concern was between the pipes. My judgment hinges very clearly on whether goaltending is there or not. I'm not willing to say that it isn't, there's just not enough data for someone not in tune with the program to really know for sure. If you're asking me to be an expert on all 12 teams in the league (or, perhaps, just Brown), you're asking a bit much considering the scope of the blog.
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I think you're one of the most knowledgeable college hockey bloggers. Your analysis of Brown is sound. Besides, you've always struck me as extremely fair in your posts. Thank you.

At least on paper it looks like the Brown offense will be improved this year, as it has gained more with incoming players like Kyle Kramer, Davey Middleton and Zack Pryzbeck than it lost with the graduated Chris Zaires, Jeff Ryan, Marc Senecal and Frank Drolet.

Just one quick comment. History does indicate that RPI doesn't need to worry very much about Brown during the regular season, but should be concerned about another playoff meeting. If I remember correctly, Brown has won the last three playoff series against RPI.
 
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realet said:
Not sure how the analysis is out of touch with the rest of the piece. I noted well that Brown's offense is much improved, and that the blueliners are above the league's average, but that my concern was between the pipes. My judgment hinges very clearly on whether goaltending is there or not. I'm not willing to say that it isn't, there's just not enough data for someone not in tune with the program to really know for sure. If you're asking me to be an expert on all 12 teams in the league (or, perhaps, just Brown), you're asking a bit much considering the scope of the blog.
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I wasn't particularly trying to criticize your work; I think you do a fantastic job of offering objective (and deep) analysis on each opponent RPI faces. I simply was a little shaky on your overall point. It seemed to me as though the majority of the piece was very positive, but then the closing note didn't reflect that positivity.

Maybe I just didn't read it closely enough, but I was a bit puzzled at the end.

Again, thank you for your excellent work. WAP is easily the best college hockey blog I've come across.
 
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