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Brown Hockey 2012-2013:Climbing the ECAC Ladder

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Fom Projo:

Anaheim Ducks draft pick Kevin Roy said in an interview late Monday that his decision to decommit from Brown just a few weeks before he and his brother were set to enroll was very difficult.

"At the end of the day, I just wanted to make sure that I was going to the right place that would give me opportunities to play at the next level. It's not that I couldn't do that (by going to Brown). It's just that another place -- I don't know where yet -- can offer me maybe more stuff. It's not that Brown wasn't good enough. It's just a personal decision,'' he said.

"I know it sucks that it ended up being this way, but I did the best I could.''
 
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MikeLogan said:
Fom Projo:


"At the end of the day, I just wanted to make sure that I was going to the right place that would give me opportunities to play at the next level. It's not that I couldn't do that (by going to Brown). It's just that another place -- I don't know where yet -- can offer me maybe more stuff. It's not that Brown wasn't good enough. It's just a personal decision,'' he said.

"I know it sucks that it ended up being this way, but I did the best I could.''
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Riiiiight.....a highly coveted NHL drafted player doesn't know where he'll be yet......yeah he's just going by the seat of his pants here and he really doesn't have a deal in place with another school....suuure.
 
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Poor baby! If he doesn't know where he is going, how is he going to know when he has arrived?
 
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Jesus, he's just now realizing that another place "can offer me maybe more stuff?" He's very articulate. "STUFF"... like what kind of "stuff"... How did this kid get into Brown anyway?

This is right up there with Cody Ferriero/Chris Bourque.
 
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Nick Papagiorgio said:
Jesus, he's just now realizing that another place "can offer me maybe more stuff?" He's very articulate. "STUFF"... like what kind of "stuff"... How did this kid get into Brown anyway?

This is right up there with Cody Ferriero/Chris Bourque.
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Are you suggesting that BC would consider him as this year's "Johnny?"
 
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I've gone back and forth on how I feel about the whole thing. At first, yes, it is hard not to be emotional and feel double-crossed. Then after some more thought, I kept thinking "What would it be like if I were scrutinized and taken to task for every questionable decision I made when I was 18?"

It sucks. A lot. But you have to accept this situation for what it is. An 18 year-old with a lot of different people telling him a lot of different things. However, I'm not here to wave a finger and say people are being too hard on him either.

Welcome to adulthood. There are consequences from every decision you make and promise you break. Think hard before making your choices.
 
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REDMEN2002 said:
There was a coaching change at Northeastern. Different circumstances unless i am spacing completely and Brown has a new head coach.
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IIRC, didn't NU lose 3 recruits after that coaching change? And NU released them all of their LOI commitment or they would have had to sit a year before playing for another NCAA program.
 
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FiveHole12 said:
And NU released them all of their LOI commitment or they would have had to sit a year before playing for another NCAA program.
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Doesn't the NCAA allow transfers for recruits without penalty when there's a coaching change?
 
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MarkEagleUSA said:
Doesn't the NCAA allow transfers for recruits without penalty when there's a coaching change?
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Not usually. It is in the by-laws that a coaching change does not relieve a recruit from his LOI, or a current player from sitting a year if he leaves. At least that's how it was written a few years ago, and I am not aware of any changes since. It is up to the school whether or not to relieve a recruit from a signed LOI for any reason. The NCAA will make a waiver in special circumstances, most recent example at Penn State football.

FWIW, LOI's are a contract between the school (not the athletic department) and the recruit, and are only offered to be signed in conjunction with the offer of an athletic scholarship. So, the Letter of Intent (LOI) is a contract signed by the recruit that he/she commits to attend that institution for a specified academic year. In return for that commitment, the recruit will receive an athletic scholarship for a specified amount of money for that academic year. The penalty for breaking an LOI is that the student athlete has to serve one year in residence (full-time, two semesters or three quarters) at the next NLI member institution and lose one season of competition in all sports. Link.

In this instance, Brown does not offer athletic scholarships and therefore there is not a signed LOI. The student athlete is free to de-commit and attend another school and play a sport without penalty.
 
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MarkEagleUSA said:
Doesn't the NCAA allow transfers for recruits without penalty when there's a coaching change?
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Here is another link that answers your question directly.

"Coaching Change: A prospective student‐athlete signs an NLI with an institution, not with a coach. If the coach leaves, the prospect is still bound by the provisions of the NLI."
 
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I find it very difficult to think Roy is anything but a disingenuous backstabber. I hope he doesn't go to Providence. That would be horrible to have him in the same **** city. I read somewhere that Wisconsin wanted him. That would be perfect.
 
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Onion Man said:
I find it very difficult to think Roy is anything but a disingenuous backstabber. I hope he doesn't go to Providence. That would be horrible to have him in the same **** city. I read somewhere that Wisconsin wanted him. That would be perfect.
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While I am a BC guy, I do understand where you're coming from. But It did seem like Roy was genuine about his intentions to honor his commitment to Brown up until now. I think you have to look at the time frame when this happened. Roy just participated in the Ducks prospect camp a couple of weeks ago. It is most likely that the Ducks and his advisor sat down with him and his family and said listen, you can go play in the hockey east with your brother, in a league far superior to the ECAC with better coaching and better players to around you to help you become an NHLer. If you don't then there's a much smaller chance you do reach that goal.

Now, he probably thought it over for a bit and explored his options, and came to the decision to decommit. Its sucks but I have to think this was probably the case. Now it would be nice if he came out and said that, but lets be serious he won't do it, and the Ducks don't want him to because it wouldn't look good if he did.

The Wisconsin thing is a pipe dream of a Badgers Blog, not a real rumor. In all likelihood he's gonna end up at UVM, Northeastern, BU or BC.
 
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sigx15 said:
While I am a BC guy, I do understand where you're coming from. But It did seem like Roy was genuine about his intentions to honor his commitment to Brown up until now. I think you have to look at the time frame when this happened. Roy just participated in the Ducks prospect camp a couple of weeks ago. It is most likely that the Ducks and his advisor sat down with him and his family and said listen, you can go play in the hockey east with your brother, in a league far superior to the ECAC with better coaching and better players to around you to help you become an NHLer. If you don't then there's a much smaller chance you do reach that goal.

Now, he probably thought it over for a bit and explored his options, and came to the decision to decommit. Its sucks but I have to think this was probably the case. Now it would be nice if he came out and said that, but lets be serious he won't do it, and the Ducks don't want him to because it wouldn't look good if he did.

The Wisconsin thing is a pipe dream of a Badgers Blog, not a real rumor. In all likelihood he's gonna end up at UVM, Northeastern, BU or BC.
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I think you may be right about his thought process, and while I understand the confusion and mental wrestling he probably has gone through, I will still continue to despise him indefinitely.
 
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sigx15 said:
While I am a BC guy, I do understand where you're coming from. But It did seem like Roy was genuine about his intentions to honor his commitment to Brown up until now. I think you have to look at the time frame when this happened. Roy just participated in the Ducks prospect camp a couple of weeks ago. It is most likely that the Ducks and his advisor sat down with him and his family and said listen, you can go play in the hockey east with your brother, in a league far superior to the ECAC with better coaching and better players to around you to help you become an NHLer. If you don't then there's a much smaller chance you do reach that goal.

Now, he probably thought it over for a bit and explored his options, and came to the decision to decommit. Its sucks but I have to think this was probably the case. Now it would be nice if he came out and said that, but lets be serious he won't do it, and the Ducks don't want him to because it wouldn't look good if he did.

The Wisconsin thing is a pipe dream of a Badgers Blog, not a real rumor. In all likelihood he's gonna end up at UVM, Northeastern, BU or BC.
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If he went Major Junior, it would be easier to swallow. Basically he is saying Brown isn't good enough for him and he wanted to look elsewhere. That's ridiculous. I'm not going to pretend Brown is on the level of the big Hockey East schools, but he can reach his NHL goals and still end up with a Brown degree if he came and left early. If he goes to UVM or NU, it will tell me that he has no desire whatsoever to get a quality education and will make me respect him less (if that's even possible)
 
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Ryecheers said:
Are you suggesting that BC would consider him as this year's "Johnny?"
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No I'm suggesting that his quotes in the press are similar to the ridiculously dumb things said by Cody Ferriero (over several different interviews when he backtracked on previous comments and it was clear he was lying) and Chris Bourque ("I wasn't a big fan of going to school and going to class. It's not the place for me" and "I didn't think it was going to be as hard or as serious as it was.").
 
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Onion Man said:
...If he goes to UVM or NU, it will tell me that he has no desire whatsoever to get a quality education and will make me respect him less (if that's even possible)
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Both NU (62) and UVM (82) are USNWR Top-100 academic schools so I don't agree he'll be deprived of a quality education at either institution. Not to eqate either with Brown (15) but they're still head-and-shoulders above the likes of North Dakota (164).

That being said, I also find the timing of the departure and the way it was done to be distasteful. Much as I might like to see NU gain a KRoy to offset the loss of Gaudreau last year, I'm not exactly smacking my lips in anticipation.
 
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Onion Man said:
If he goes to UVM or NU, it will tell me that he has no desire whatsoever to get a quality education and will make me respect him less (if that's even possible)
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It is apparent that if you did indeed attend Brown, you were in over your head and failed to broaden your views of the world or to take advantage of the educational and cultural opportunities available to you.

Both universities that you referred to have many very strong programs. Northeastern, in particular, is much stronger than it was 15 years ago. FWIW, it has been moving up steadily in the U.S. News and World beauty contest. Brown is ranked #15 (7th among Ivy League colleges). NU is #62 and UVM is #82. One might conclude that if Mr. Roy applies himself, he can get a fine education at NU or UVM. If hockey is his principal focus, he won't learn anything useful at Brown.
 
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