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British Election 2010 - Jolly Good

Red Cloud

Not a player, I just crush a lot
As many of you know, I enjoy observing foreign elections, especially among Western-aligned Parliamentary nations. This year promises to be quite intriguing: Germany just had an election last year, the Netherlands has one coming in June, and with Canada's seemingly endless stream of minority governments, one can pop up there at any time. Right now, it's the UK's turn.

Queen Elizabeth dissolved the British Parliament today, ending one of the longest Parliaments in recent British history (if the Labour government had not called for elections within a few weeks, the term limit would have kicked in for the first time ever - it was enacted in 1715). Since the 2005 election, in which Tony Blair won a third term as Prime Minister, the Labour party has been mostly trailing in the polls, only earning a bump into the lead around the time that Gordon Brown took over as PM in 2007. The Conservatives have had a double digit lead in the polls for a few years, but recently, as luck would have it for Labour, polls currently show the Conservatives lead at only 5 to 11 points. With a month to go, anything can happen.

So here's pretty much everything you need to know about each party, starting with the three major parties and elaborating into the more important minor parties.

Great Britain

Labour - Led by Prime Minister Gordon Brown, Labour, a centrist to center-left party advocating democratic socialism, is currently in its longest stretch as government in the party's history and this year will be trying to match the predecessor Thatcher-Major Conservative governments with four consecutive election victories. This will be Brown's first election as leader.

Conservative - The Conservatives, a center-right party advocating conservatism and British unionism, have been out of power since 1997, when John Major lost a landslide to Tony Blair and the Labour Party. Since Major's defeat, the Tories - as they are popularly known - have had four different leaders, and the current leader, 43-year-old David Cameron, is in his first election as leader.

Liberal Democrats - Formed from the combination of a historically major party (the Liberals, who were supplanted on the left by Labour) and a relatively upstart party (the Social Democrats) in 1988, the "Lib Dems" have been gaining more and more seats in Parliament and will be hoping in this election to continue their growth and play kingmaker in a hung parliament. Led by 43-year-old Nick Clegg, this center-left to left wing party, which espouses social and market liberalism, hopes to reform Parliament to make it more multilateral.

UK Independence Party - A Eurosceptic right-wing party, the UKIP has been around since 1993 advocating support for the British pound against the Euro, and ultimately, withdrawal from the EU. The party has had momentum building for it for some time - though they've never officially had a member in the Commons, there are now two peers in the House of Lords who are with the UKIP (including the party leader, Lord Pearson) and the party's big breakthrough came last year in the European elections, when they managed to beat out Labour for second place in total votes and seats behind the Conservatives. The question now is whether the UKIP can breakthrough with its first elected members of Parliament.

Green Party of England and Wales - A left-wing party naturally advocating Green politics, the GP-EW will likely be running a slate of more than 300 candidates in England and Wales (out of 573 seats) for the first time in this election. The party is still growing - they earned 2 seats last year in the European election, and had a single member in the House of Lords until his death in 2008. The Greens have a shot at earning some seats, including leader Caroline Lucas, who holds one of the European Parliament seats, who is running in a constituency that gave the Greens 20% of the vote in 2005.

British National Party - Easily the most controversial party in Great Britain today, the far-right BNP continues to grow by leaps and bounds. Led by its equally controversial leader, Nick Griffin, the BNP has found increasing electoral success since taking 0.7% of the vote in 2005, culminating in earning a seat in the London Assembly and a pair of seats in the European parliament. The party's controversy stems from its nationalist and right-wing populist stances, which play awfully close to fascism and white nationalism. In fact, before February, the BNP had a clause in its constitution restricting membership to Caucasians. The party's gaining profile has been very troubling to many Britons, but their gains are in part fueled by protest votes against the policies of the major parties.

Scotland

Scottish National Party - A center-left nationalist party advocating independence for Scotland, the SNP is one of the most popular parties in Scotland, although this hasn't come with a great deal of success in national elections. The SNP, for the first time, earned a plurality of the the seats in Scottish Parliament in 2007, and their leader, Alex Salmond, is the First Minister of Scotland. Last year in the European elections, the SNP earned 2 of Scotland's 6 seats, but the party holds only 7 of Scotland's 59 seats in Parliament - Labour dominates much of the remainder of the country.

Wales

Plaid Cymru - Similar to the SNP, only focused in Wales, the center-left Plaid ("Party of Wales," in Welsh) stands for Welsh independence and democratic socialism. Unlike the SNP, they haven't had nearly as much success. They do hold 1 of 3 Welsh seats in Europe, but only 3 of 40 in Parliament and are only a junior member of the ruling coalition in the Welsh Assembly. Leader Ieuan Wyn Jones is the Deputy First Minister of Wales, and is a former member of Parliament.

Northern Ireland

Politics in Northern Ireland are dominated by the sectarian split, and as such the major parties of Great Britain largely stay away from Northern Irish elections.

Democratic Unionist Party - The largest and more hardline of the Unionist parties, the right-wing DUP had some tangential association with Loyalist paramilitary groups through its founders, but is now entirely committed to political support for British Unionism and social conservatism. The DUP is the largest party in the Northern Ireland Assembly and holds 8 of Northern Ireland's 18 seats in Parliament.

Sinn Fein - Best known as the former political arm of the Irish Republican Army, center-left Sinn Fein continues to advocate primarily for a united and independent Ireland but has operated away from the IRA for nearly 20 years now. Led by long-time leader Gerry Adams, Sinn Fein maintains a policy of abstensionism from the Westminster Parliament - that is, when elected, they refuse to take their seats in London. This policy has continued to this day despite dropping their abstensions from the Northern Ireland Assembly (where they are the second largest party) and the Dail Eireann in Ireland (where they are a minor party). SF holds 5 of 18 seats in Parliament, and last year earned the most votes in the European election in taking 1 of 3 Northern Irish seats.

Social Democratic and Labour Party - Committed to Irish nationalism and democratic socialism, the center-left SDLP is much like Sinn Fein, only without the extremist past and with a willingness to work with the opposition in London. Formed during "The Troubles," they were noted for their rejection of violence and extremism, and were more electorally successful than SF until the end of the terrorist campaigns. Since then, the SDLP has fallen behind SF in terms of support from Catholic nationalists. They hold 3 seats in Parliament.

Ulster Unionist Party - Formerly the most prominent Protestant party, the UUP earned support from most mainstream Unionists throughout "The Troubles" but like the SDLP, has lost ground in the new era of peace. Former Northern Irish First Minister David Trimble lost his seat in Parliament in the last election. The largest party in Northern Ireland as recently as 1997, the UUP managed to elect only one candidate to Parliament in 2005. The UUP is basically at rock bottom and have entered into an alliance with the Conservative Party to bolster its chances in this election. It has had mixed results so far - the combined effort earned the Tories/UUP a seat in the European Parliament last year, but the UUP's one elected member of the Commons quit the party over the alliance.

Alliance Party - While it's not a new concept in Northern Irish politics, the Alliance Party is still seeking a foothold with a platform of centrism and non-sectarianism after 40 years of existence. They continue to run candidates in every constituency - a rarity among parties without representation - but the political situation continues to cast a vote for Alliance as a spoiler and voters continue to prefer the other four parties by a wide margin.

So there you have it - lots of different storylines to watch for in this election. I'm sure there won't be too many posts on this thread but I'll pop in from time to time with election news.
 
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I think you're being a little generous calling Labour "centrist" , but maybe that's by my American standards.
 
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I think you're being a little generous calling Labour "centrist" , but maybe that's by my American standards.

That was a good summary and one to recommend to anyone wanting a quick and dirty overview of the UK political spectrum.

The Blair years were basically a huge move by the Labor Party away from Democratic Socialism and towards the center. The boom in the London Financial Sector was largely overseen by Labor governments who often provided generous incentives and a lax regulatory environment. Not to mention the involvement in our foreign wars. A true leftist party in Europe would not have signed on for Iraq. Hell, the French were led by a center-right party and they wanted nothing to do with it.

Admittedly, like Red Cloud as I recall, I've always a fascination with Minority Nationalism (typically linguistic based, but not always). For this reason the fortunes of PC and the SNP intrigue me.

Correct me if I'm wrong RC, but I thought there was going to be some discussion about resolving the West Lothian Question in these new general elections among the major political parties.. God knows northern England would love to get some autonomy (but keep the subsidies) from the more populous south.
 
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I was going to post my thanks and congratulations on another solid foreign affairs thread from Red Cloud, but I then ended up on a wild goose chase/YouTube jag in search of the epic Mike Myers-hosted SNL PM's Questions sketch. That led to watching Margaret Thatcher PMQ and eventually Gordon Brown on American Idol. It was quite the trip.

One point of clarification regarding Sinn Fein (for no other reason that that minority nationalist parties are also an interest of mine). I believe their absention is involuntary - because they refuse to take an oath of loyalty to the crown.
 
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When John Major was in power, PMQ was the best show on television. :)
 
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One point of clarification regarding Sinn Fein (for no other reason that that minority nationalist parties are also an interest of mine). I believe their absention is involuntary - because they refuse to take an oath of loyalty to the crown.

This might be a chicken/egg type thing - SF may refuse because of the oath, or the oath may cause them to HAVE to refuse. Regardless, abstentionism has been part of SF's position toward Westminster for over a century, and at any rate, the SDLP, which is similarly aimed on a united Ireland, takes their seats.

The minority nationalist parties are certainly neat to watch - there's little question that the Bloc Quebecois makes Canadian elections infinitely more interesting. I wonder if the SNP might be on the verge of making a breakthrough in Westminster this year. That would certainly bring the West Lothian Question back to the forefront of the national debate.

Oh, that reminds me... I noticed yesterday that Fianna Fail, the most prominent centrist/center-right party in Ireland, is now registered in Northern Ireland. They've had Irish nationalism as one of their main planks for years, and there isn't currently a right-of-center nationalist party in Northern Ireland (nor a left-of-center unionist party). Apparently talks of a merger with the SDLP didn't go anywhere, and no one knows yet if Fianna Fail is going to contest seats in Stormont or Westminster. It wouldn't be a first - Sinn Fein already operates out of Dublin - but the international element is rather interesting.
 
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Interesting little quirk - nearly 50 years after Kennedy and Nixon squared off on TV, the very first televised leader's debate in British history will take place tomorrow between Gordon Brown, David Cameron, and Nick Clegg. Tomorrow's debate focuses on domestic issues, there are two other televised debates planned on international issues and the one that's expected to be a potential dealmaker or -braker, economic issues.

It's worth pointing out that Cameron, the Tory leader who's really the only other candidate besides Brown for Prime Minister (as there's no realistic chance that the Lib Dems will command a plurality let alone a majority), has had a rollercoaster of a personal life recently. His first son, Ivan, was born with cerebral palsy and severe epilepsy - he died last February just before his 7th birthday. His wife, Samantha, is pregnant with their fourth child and due in September.

* The UKIP is adopting an interesting strategy. They're promising not to actively run against any candidate from a major party (which pretty much means the Tories here, although they didn't say it) that takes a Eurosceptic stance. That's dedication to principle - sacrificing the well-being of the party for the sake of the party's values.

* The Plaid is apparently planning to demand certain concessions in the case of a hung parliament, but they're going to need a really strong showing to be in a position to make those demands. There's only been one hung parliament since World War II, and that was in the early 1970s, but it seems like this election is the best likelihood of one since the late '70s.

* Couple of interesting little factoids that I found - Cameron is a big Aston Villa supporter, and Clegg spent a year in grad school at the University of Minnesota.
 
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* The UKIP is adopting an interesting strategy. They're promising not to actively run against any candidate from a major party (which pretty much means the Tories here, although they didn't say it) that takes a Eurosceptic stance. That's dedication to principle - sacrificing the well-being of the party for the sake of the party's values.

What level of "Euroscepticism" does the UKIP endorse currently? More autonomy with in the EU, slowing down integration/enlargement, or leaving the Union completely?

It would be interesting to see whether any mainstream party that tried to get into bed with the PC or SNP gets burned by the voters ala the whole Bloc/NDP/Liberal grand coalition that wasn't last year in Canada.
 
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What level of "Euroscepticism" does the UKIP endorse currently? More autonomy with in the EU, slowing down integration/enlargement, or leaving the Union completely?

They're pretty much all out - they want the UK to leave the EU and fight anything coming out of Brussels that they see as infringing upon UK sovereignty. They're definitely becoming more popular although they're certainly taking votes from the Tories.

It would be interesting to see whether any mainstream party that tried to get into bed with the PC or SNP gets burned by the voters ala the whole Bloc/NDP/Liberal grand coalition that wasn't last year in Canada.

We'll have to see what happens if there's a hung parliament - otherwise there wouldn't be any need for the major parties to even consider working with any of the smaller parties. At any rate, I doubt the effect in the UK would be as tawdry as it was in Canada - the Bloc represents a threat to the very integrity of the nation, while there's already a feeling of separateness between the four nations of the UK, as evidenced by the existence of nationalist groups in each country (including England, which has a budding movement in the English Democrats in support of English devolution).

At any rate, I doubt SNP or PC would be shunned anywhere near as much as the BNP.
 
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Tidbits for today:

Of all the things to disrupt a campaign, volcanic ash is doing the trick. Thanks to an eruption in Iceland, the airspace the entire United Kingdom is closed until tomorrow morning at the earliest. Not only does that snarl everyone's transportation, it's also a genuine national emergency (remember the effect of the closing of the American airspace after 9/11).

Tonight's debate in Manchester starts at 3:30pm Eastern. ITV is broadcasting it in HD online but it's only available in the UK - fortunately, there's a backup for Americans. C-SPAN turned their PMQs page into a British Election page for the duration, and although it doesn't look like they're broadcasting the debate on their channel (probably getting bumped for Tea Party coverage), they're running a simulcast on their website.

The SNP and the Plaid are, predictably, complaining about their exclusion from the debates and are requesting a fourth round to deal with devolved issues that they can take part in. Highly doubtful that'll actually take place. The SNP therefore took out a long ad across the UK they're calling "2 minutes with Alex Salmond which could save you 2 hours later."

The Daily Telegraph is predicting a Conservative majority, claiming that they have 12 point leads in 100 key swing constituencies. Probably should be taken with a grain of salt, though, they don't call it the "Torygraph" for nothing.

Latest poll is by YouGov on behalf of The Sun, which has the Tories up by nine points nationally. Another grain of salt here, since The Sun is part of Rupert Murdoch's stable, but it's mostly in line with a lot of other polls that have come out recently. Applied nationally (which doesn't really work since each constituency is unique, but for some reason it's a popular pasttime in British elections), the results of the poll would produce a hung parliament - the Tories would miss out on a majority by 2 seats.

Finally... an interesting read about the London constituency of Barking, where BNP leader Nick Griffin is running with a not so far-fetched chance of ousting a Labour cabinet minister for the party's first ever seat. Really underscores the strong opposition to the BNP and the reasons some Britons are willing to turn to the party despite its lurid history.

EDIT: Oh, one last thing - the Beeb has a running election feed on its website: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/election2010/liveevent/ with short tweet-like text updates every 10 minutes or so with what's going on and breaking news and stuff. If you're really into it, of course. :D
 
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If we're talking British politics, this can only end one way...poorly.

And I say, England's greatest Prime Minister was Lord Palmerston!
Pitt the Elder!!
Lord Palmerston!!!
Pitt the Elder!!!!
Okay, you asked for it, bud!

:eek: ;)
 
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The debates are underway, being broadcast on CSPAN-3 in the USA.

Immigration - Clegg won this one, by allowing Brown and Cameron to bicker at each other, but Cameron also threw the door wide open for Clegg by asking him how his "regional restrictions" on employment for foreign workers would be enforced without restricting freedom of movement, and he answered it very easily.

Crime - Clegg is really relishing his position here to be able to take potshots at both Cameron and Brown. This time it was Brown going on the offensive against Cameron when it comes to funding for the police, using an awful lot of snark in the process, but Clegg hits another point when he scolds both of them for not having any financial figures in their manifestos (the British term for the equivalent of a party platform).

Hmm. Between topics, they announce that the SNP and Plaid will have the opportunity to debate the 3 major party leaders on television in their respective countries on Tuesday. Interesting.

Parliamentary Reform - The question Brown was dreading thanks to the Parliament expenses scandal last year. Brown suggests allowing for constituencies to sack their MPs (recalls, in essence), Clegg asks him why he and his party failed to support a Lib Dem measure to that end. Brown talks about continued reforms to the House of Lords and removing all hereditary peers from the upper house, Cameron hits back by asking why Labour hasn't done that throughout their governments, which have included Lords reform, then blindsides Clegg with a question about a recent Lib Dem scandal. Brown tries to score points against Cameron by claiming that he and Clegg are in agreement on reform, Clegg immediately rebukes him for it and disagrees. They finish by agreeing that they all support recalls, but Clegg basically calls Brown a flip-flopper.

I've got Clegg winning the first two, and Cameron coming out ahead on the third.
 
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If Twitter is to be believed, Clegg is probably winning this so far... #LeadersDebate is the top trending topic, "Nick Clegg" is 3rd, "David Cameron" 4th, and "Gordon Brown" 5th.
 
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They touched on education, the budget deficit, budget cuts, Afghanistan and defense spending (which turned into a discussion on Britain's nuclear arsenal, which had Brown and Cameron agreeing against Clegg), healthcare, and care for the elderly, and the script stayed much the same for the most part - Brown attacking, Cameron on defense, and Clegg taking potshots.

Clegg ended with an impassioned plea to turn away from the "two old parties" and embrace the Lib Dems and their plan to "do things differently."

Brown focused his closing on the importance of the economy this year and keeping economic recovery on track while maintaining services. He finished off with, what else, an attack on Cameron. Spent the whole debate on offense, which he had to do.

Cameron closed saying that voters should "choose hope over fear" and chastised both leaders for trying to conjure fear for a Conservative government. He also used the word "change" a lot, which sounds familiar.

Brown definitely seemed the most tranquil later in the session, and I'd have deemed him the winner overall except that he spent an inordinate amount of time trying to kiss up to Clegg. In the sense that he didn't get knocked out, he did OK. Cameron focused his defense on questioning Labour policies over the past 13 years but I don't think he was convincing enough. Even though Clegg really faltered on the last two topics, it seemed like he came out on top in the end simply by sounding more fresh.
 
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Well, now that the dust has settled, conventional wisdom, practically across the board, has it that the Lib Dems' Nick Clegg was indeed the winner of last night's debate, which was watched by 9 to 10 million Britons, not a bad number for a nation of 46 million.

Even the Telegraph and the Sun named Clegg the winner - the only dissenting voice, it appears, is the Daily Mirror, which said that Gordon Brown was a "man among boys." The Mirror, though, is a Labour analogy to the Telegraph and the Sun. Most outlets had Cameron barely in second over Brown, but Clegg definitely stole the spotlight.

Early indicators are that the debate is giving a definite bounce to the Liberal Democrats - and may increase the likelihood of a hung parliament. That's when things get really interesting, honestly.

Meanwhile, it looks like the SNP and the Plaid are practically allied at this point in their attacks on the three main parties for exclusion.
 
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Well, now that the dust has settled, conventional wisdom, practically across the board, has it that the Lib Dems' Nick Clegg was indeed the winner of last night's debate, which was watched by 9 to 10 million Britons, not a bad number for a nation of 46 million.

Rah! Rah! Rah! For Ski-U-Mah! ;)
 
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