Re: Bring Out Your Dead (Part Whatever v2.0)
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Bring Out Your Dead (Part Whatever v2.0)
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Re: Bring Out Your Dead (Part Whatever v2.0)
please forgive the following nerdyness
I am a relatively late comer to the Apple family -- never had and Apple II or original Mac. I was a graduate student in computer science from 2002 to 2004, and I did most of my work on Linux. I had been reading about the new Unix-based OS X near the end of my undergrad, but never really bothered to try it out beyond a beta copy of OS X 10.0 that I installed on an iBook in my advisor's lab. It had some issued but did show some promise (I pretty much thought Macs were toys though and thought you did real work on Linux or Solaris).
I was doing research work developing supercomputing technology used by the U.S. Army to simulate hypersonic missile flight, and we were designing a new test system. I benchmarked the simulation code on a bunch of systems, and was pretty much sold on first generation AMD Opterons, and then I got a pre-release 64-bit Intel Xeon that performed great. Intel was ready to subsidize a new system by giving us half of the new processors for free. But our sponsor had other plans.
The main researcher that did the simulations was a huge Mac fan, and he and the main programmer flew out to Cupertino and worked with some Apple engineers on performance tuning and said the G5 smoked everything else (I couldn't duplicate these results). Anyway, we ended up building a test system with 512 G5 processors, and our partners built one with about 3,000 G5 processors.
As the ink was drying on the PO (almost literally) I flew out to WWDC 04 as a Linux guy surrounded by Mac fanatics. I was a Mac newbie (I wouldn't have one on my desk for a few more months). Got a VIP pass to the keynote (which just meant I didn't have to wait in the insanely ridiculously long line, just a long line, and got to sit about 20 rows back) and I drank the kool aid Steve was serving. The trip culminated in a trip to the "Mother Ship" -- a keg party at the Apple campus with Jimmy Eats World for entertainment followed by drinking at a brewpub next to campus with a bunch of Apple employees after the buses took everyone else from the conference back to San Francisco. I was blown away by the developer tools and APIs for OS X 10.4, which was introduced at this conference. That week in the summer of 2004 transformed me into someone that was skeptical of the whole project to an Apple fanboy that couldn't wait for the delivery truck to roll up with our hundreds of XServes.
I really enjoyed using and programming on Macs, but after working with two large XServe clusers I didn't have a high opinion on OS X for server use (unless you were a small business with nothing but a hand full of Macs to support, it certainly wasn't great for a large high performance computing system), but it has been the best desktop operating system by far over that time. (Apple seems to agree with me since they eventually killed the XServes.)
I moved from research contract work for the Army (which I did full time for a bit after finishing grad school) to scientific programming and a genetics research institution that is heavily Mac on the research side of the house, but the department I was going to was 100% Windows at the time. I considered not taking the job if I couldn't use OS X or Linux on my desktop (nearly all the software I write needs to run on Linux -- Windows made no sense for me), they let me have the first Mac in the department (the department had legacy project management software that was Windows only so at first I had a second computer just to run that, and then I switched to a VM when the Intel Macs came out, and now it is mostly web-based), and now there is a large group of us in the department -- and we like to make fun of the people doing .Net programming (unless it is F#).
I don't go a day without using multiple Apple products -- my work computer, my home computer, my iPhone, iPod (still holding out on the iPad, but not much longer). It is hard to think of another company that even comes close when measured by the impact it has had on my daily life.
please forgive the following nerdyness
I am a relatively late comer to the Apple family -- never had and Apple II or original Mac. I was a graduate student in computer science from 2002 to 2004, and I did most of my work on Linux. I had been reading about the new Unix-based OS X near the end of my undergrad, but never really bothered to try it out beyond a beta copy of OS X 10.0 that I installed on an iBook in my advisor's lab. It had some issued but did show some promise (I pretty much thought Macs were toys though and thought you did real work on Linux or Solaris).
I was doing research work developing supercomputing technology used by the U.S. Army to simulate hypersonic missile flight, and we were designing a new test system. I benchmarked the simulation code on a bunch of systems, and was pretty much sold on first generation AMD Opterons, and then I got a pre-release 64-bit Intel Xeon that performed great. Intel was ready to subsidize a new system by giving us half of the new processors for free. But our sponsor had other plans.
The main researcher that did the simulations was a huge Mac fan, and he and the main programmer flew out to Cupertino and worked with some Apple engineers on performance tuning and said the G5 smoked everything else (I couldn't duplicate these results). Anyway, we ended up building a test system with 512 G5 processors, and our partners built one with about 3,000 G5 processors.
As the ink was drying on the PO (almost literally) I flew out to WWDC 04 as a Linux guy surrounded by Mac fanatics. I was a Mac newbie (I wouldn't have one on my desk for a few more months). Got a VIP pass to the keynote (which just meant I didn't have to wait in the insanely ridiculously long line, just a long line, and got to sit about 20 rows back) and I drank the kool aid Steve was serving. The trip culminated in a trip to the "Mother Ship" -- a keg party at the Apple campus with Jimmy Eats World for entertainment followed by drinking at a brewpub next to campus with a bunch of Apple employees after the buses took everyone else from the conference back to San Francisco. I was blown away by the developer tools and APIs for OS X 10.4, which was introduced at this conference. That week in the summer of 2004 transformed me into someone that was skeptical of the whole project to an Apple fanboy that couldn't wait for the delivery truck to roll up with our hundreds of XServes.
I really enjoyed using and programming on Macs, but after working with two large XServe clusers I didn't have a high opinion on OS X for server use (unless you were a small business with nothing but a hand full of Macs to support, it certainly wasn't great for a large high performance computing system), but it has been the best desktop operating system by far over that time. (Apple seems to agree with me since they eventually killed the XServes.)
I moved from research contract work for the Army (which I did full time for a bit after finishing grad school) to scientific programming and a genetics research institution that is heavily Mac on the research side of the house, but the department I was going to was 100% Windows at the time. I considered not taking the job if I couldn't use OS X or Linux on my desktop (nearly all the software I write needs to run on Linux -- Windows made no sense for me), they let me have the first Mac in the department (the department had legacy project management software that was Windows only so at first I had a second computer just to run that, and then I switched to a VM when the Intel Macs came out, and now it is mostly web-based), and now there is a large group of us in the department -- and we like to make fun of the people doing .Net programming (unless it is F#).
I don't go a day without using multiple Apple products -- my work computer, my home computer, my iPhone, iPod (still holding out on the iPad, but not much longer). It is hard to think of another company that even comes close when measured by the impact it has had on my daily life.
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Twitch Boy
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The irony is delicious.
The irony is delicious.
ExileOnDaytonStreet
Drunkard
Re: Bring Out Your Dead (Part Whatever v2.0)
Evidently Charles Napier died yesterday as well.
Evidently Charles Napier died yesterday as well.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
jmh
win or lose, we booze
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Lost in the Steve Jobs shuffle:
Fred Shuttlesworth, 89, reverend and leader in the civil rights movement who vowed to "kill segregation or be killed by it"
Lost in the Steve Jobs shuffle:
Fred Shuttlesworth, 89, reverend and leader in the civil rights movement who vowed to "kill segregation or be killed by it"
bigblue_dl
Armed
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Pretty sure he didn't invent the TV, so I'm safe here.
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: Bring Out Your Dead (Part Whatever v2.0)
The Onion, baby. The Onion.
Link won't work because USCHO sucks. Here it is spelled out:
"www.theonion.com/articles/last-american-who-knew-what-the-fuck-he-was-doing,26268"
The Onion, baby. The Onion.
Link won't work because USCHO sucks. Here it is spelled out:
"www.theonion.com/articles/last-american-who-knew-what-the-fuck-he-was-doing,26268"
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That legend is partially true.
Per wiki (and I have read it elsewhere before wiki was around, most notably "Uncle John's Bathroom Reader" book series; great series, btw):
It has often been claimed in popular culture that the slang term for human bodily waste, "crap", originated with Thomas Crapper because of his association with lavatories. The most common version of this story is that American servicemen stationed in England during World War I saw his name on cisterns and used it as army slang, i.e., "I'm going to the crapper".[8]
The word crap is actually of Middle English origin; and hence predates its application to bodily waste. Its first application to bodily waste, according to the Oxford English Dictionary, appeared in 1846 under a reference to a crapping ken, or a privy, where ken means a house.[8]
Its most likely etymological origin is a combination of two older words, the Dutch krappen: to pluck off, cut off, or separate; and the Old French crappe: siftings, waste or rejected matter (from the medieval Latin crappa, chaff).[8]
That legend is partially true.
Per wiki (and I have read it elsewhere before wiki was around, most notably "Uncle John's Bathroom Reader" book series; great series, btw):It has often been claimed in popular culture that the slang term for human bodily waste, "crap", originated with Thomas Crapper because of his association with lavatories. The most common version of this story is that American servicemen stationed in England during World War I saw his name on cisterns and used it as army slang, i.e., "I'm going to the crapper".[8]
The word crap is actually of Middle English origin; and hence predates its application to bodily waste. Its first application to bodily waste, according to the Oxford English Dictionary, appeared in 1846 under a reference to a crapping ken, or a privy, where ken means a house.[8]
Its most likely etymological origin is a combination of two older words, the Dutch krappen: to pluck off, cut off, or separate; and the Old French crappe: siftings, waste or rejected matter (from the medieval Latin crappa, chaff).[8]
Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
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I own nothing by Apple so I am beyond safe
I own nothing by Apple so I am beyond safe
Ralph Baer
Let's Go 'Tute!
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I learned about it on USCHO. I wonder if he was the one who used to close threads after 1000 replies. Didn't that stop about the same time as he retired from Apple.
I own nothing by Apple so I am beyond safe
I learned about it on USCHO. I wonder if he was the one who used to close threads after 1000 replies. Didn't that stop about the same time as he retired from Apple.
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I thought you had a used iPad you bought from a friend?
I own nothing by Apple so I am beyond safe
I thought you had a used iPad you bought from a friend?
bigblue_dl
Armed
Re: Bring Out Your Dead (Part Whatever v2.0)
Yeah, I can say that too. I don't like Apple, I refuse to buy their products.I own nothing by Apple so I am beyond safe
Twitch Boy
Defacing this tagline is a MAX foul
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PC guy here. Macs are just too expensive for what I need to do, and I'm not insane enough to install Linux.
I do own an iPad, though - it's a great travel option since my laptop is kinda bulky and I don't want an iPhone yet.
PC guy here. Macs are just too expensive for what I need to do, and I'm not insane enough to install Linux.
I do own an iPad, though - it's a great travel option since my laptop is kinda bulky and I don't want an iPhone yet.
FadeToBlack&Gold
Kettle Medallion
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I've never met a serious Linux user who wasn't a socially inept uber-nerd. They also tend to be employed as some variant of Evil IT Guy.
I respect what Jobs was able to accomplish, and I've owned and used two different iPods since high school. I still think it's the best MP3 player out there. I highly doubt you'll ever see me convert to a Mac though, as they are best suited for things most of us don't do (such as serious/professional Photoshop work).
Jobs was a master at creating buzz and carving out a market based on a few core products. As long as Apple can sell millions of iPods and iPhones to ordinary people, they can continue to market their niche computers to people who want to be perceived as different by conforming to the standards of smaller groups (art/lit/drama majors, hipsters, punk rock kids, etc.).
I've never met a serious Linux user who wasn't a socially inept uber-nerd. They also tend to be employed as some variant of Evil IT Guy.
I respect what Jobs was able to accomplish, and I've owned and used two different iPods since high school. I still think it's the best MP3 player out there. I highly doubt you'll ever see me convert to a Mac though, as they are best suited for things most of us don't do (such as serious/professional Photoshop work).
Jobs was a master at creating buzz and carving out a market based on a few core products. As long as Apple can sell millions of iPods and iPhones to ordinary people, they can continue to market their niche computers to people who want to be perceived as different by conforming to the standards of smaller groups (art/lit/drama majors, hipsters, punk rock kids, etc.).
Twitch Boy
Defacing this tagline is a MAX foul
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Have a Cult of Apple friend who's an electronic DJ/producer out in the Denver area. A lot of the programs he needs to use don't even bother with a PC version. It's Mac or nothing.
And careful what you say about Linux. Those guys tend to get militant (Great, stable, flexible OS, just WAAAAAAY too much so for what I need.)
Have a Cult of Apple friend who's an electronic DJ/producer out in the Denver area. A lot of the programs he needs to use don't even bother with a PC version. It's Mac or nothing.
And careful what you say about Linux. Those guys tend to get militant
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This was really funny. And touching.
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This was really funny. And touching.
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Handyman
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Hey I got nothing but love for Steve Jobs (the post Mac Steve Jobs, after he was fired from Apple originally) as I think he figured out there is more to computers than just which OS was better. His work with Pixar and the NeXT computers were way more important if you ask me. OS X was based on the NeXTStep, the Apple Store and Itunes were based on WebObjects. Without his being ousted from Apple in 1985 there would be no Iphones, Ipods or Ipads. Even if I dont use any of those things, my Android Devices (which is Linux so SHUT UP! ) would not exist without the work he did.
Plus the dude was a modern day P.T. Barnum, he could make people believe they NEEDED all this stuff, even if they didn't.
Hey I got nothing but love for Steve Jobs (the post Mac Steve Jobs, after he was fired from Apple originally) as I think he figured out there is more to computers than just which OS was better. His work with Pixar and the NeXT computers were way more important if you ask me. OS X was based on the NeXTStep, the Apple Store and Itunes were based on WebObjects. Without his being ousted from Apple in 1985 there would be no Iphones, Ipods or Ipads. Even if I dont use any of those things, my Android Devices (which is Linux so SHUT UP!
) would not exist without the work he did.Plus the dude was a modern day P.T. Barnum, he could make people believe they NEEDED all this stuff, even if they didn't.
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