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Brexit - Should I stay or should I go??

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Re: Brexit - Should I stay or should I go??

Think it is because the party in power feels that leave is the winning ticket. If they pull back they will lose support and be banished from power for the long term. Seen as a bunch of pu$$iees.

Now they may be using the same pollsters that caused a certain recent US pres candidate to chase states they thought were in play and lost them AND states they felt were safe weren’t.
But after dragging this long and sensing how the eu needs to play hardball (otherwise, the exit door will become crowded) the revote and throw their hands up to the NEW will of the people may work.
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pound sterling since May 2019. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Brexit?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Brexit</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GetReady?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#GetReady</a> <a href="https://t.co/rjZ9OUtRvL">pic.twitter.com/rjZ9OUtRvL</a></p>— Matthias Eberl &#55356;&#56810;&#55356;&#56826; (@eberlmat) <a href="https://twitter.com/eberlmat/status/1169170127616651266?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 4, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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For today's debate Rees-Mogg wore his footie pajamas and night cap so he can get some proper sleep.

<img src="https://i.ibb.co/L5CrXBF/jacob-rees-mogg-wakey.jpg" alt="jacob-rees-mogg-wakey">
 
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Kepler said:
Interesting. The EU thinks the UK can revoke by itself which the UK won't because it doesn't think it can. Catch-22.
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The UK Prime Minister can revoke Article 50 at any time. Just do an Emily Litella and tell the EU "Never mind." The EU does its Chevy Chase and looks all disapproving and then everyone goes out for tea and crumpets (or beer and bratwurst).
 
Re: Brexit - Should I stay or should I go??

A look at the schedule for the rest of today:
Sometime after 7PM GMT there will be a debate and final vote on the Brexit bill. The vote should come around 9PM GMT. The House will then take up the question of a new election. The vote on a new election should come around 11PM GMT.
 
Re: Brexit - Should I stay or should I go??

Ok, so several potentially stupid questions incoming:

1. My understanding was the PM can just outright call for new elections any time within five years. Why do the MPs get a vote?
2. Can the PM just ignore it?
3. Didn’t a Scottish court rule yesterday that Boris could?
4. If Boris does call an election, does the current parliament lose power immediately or is there a lame duck period?
5. What has the upper house said about all of this?
6. What exactly is the House brexit bill they are voting on today?
7. Does it differ from previous bills?
 
dxmnkd316 said:
Ok, so several potentially stupid questions incoming:

1. My understanding was the PM can just outright call for new elections any time within five years. Why do the MPs get a vote?
2. Can the PM just ignore it?
3. Didn’t a Scottish court rule yesterday that Boris could?
4. If Boris does call an election, does the current parliament lose power immediately or is there a lame duck period?
5. What has the upper house said about all of this?
6. What exactly is the House brexit bill they are voting on today?
7. Does it differ from previous bills?
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I'm on the road so here are a few quick answers

1. The PM can call for new elections but a certain percentage of MPs have to support it. I seem to recall it requires a 2/3 majority but it may be a simple majority.

2. If you mean this law they are proposing now, no the PM can't. In theory. The PM is bound by UK laws. However, as we have seen in this country, if no one enforces the law the PM can do whatever s/he wants.

3. I don't know if the Scottish court ruled yesterday. The last I had heard the court had agreed to a hearing. No matter how it rules in the case, the decision is bound for the UK version of SCOTUS.

4. This is the problem with voting for a new election. The moment the vote is final the Parliament is dissolved. Proroguing becomes irrelevant. There is no more legislative branch until the election.

5. The House of Lords has, to my knowledge, been quiet. Bills passed by Parliament are almost always approved, but there are procedural tactics Brexiteers can use to delay that as long as possible.

6. Parliament is voting to require the PM to request, in writing, an extension until 31 January. There may be amendments added before a final vote. We'll see tonight.

7. AFAIK it does not differ significantly from previous bills.


As I said, I'm on the road this afternoon. I'm working for the Commerce Department on a temporary assignment. I hope to be home in time to see the fireworks from Westminister tonight. Those answers may be incomplete but the info therein is accurate as far as I understand it.
 
Re: Brexit - Should I stay or should I go??

Watching live, sounds like even more defections. 327 (ayes, right)-299 (nos, left)
 
dxmnkd316 said:
Ok, so several potentially stupid questions incoming:

1. My understanding was the PM can just outright call for new elections any time within five years. Why do the MPs get a vote?
2. Can the PM just ignore it?
3. Didn’t a Scottish court rule yesterday that Boris could?
4. If Boris does call an election, does the current parliament lose power immediately or is there a lame duck period?
5. What has the upper house said about all of this?
6. What exactly is the House brexit bill they are voting on today?
7. Does it differ from previous bills?
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1. Fixed-term Parliaments Act says 2/3rds must approve.
2. No.
3. Unknown
4. Parliament is done once the vote passes (unless The Queen dies IIRC).
5. The House of Lords can only delay and recommend changes. In theory The Queen could deny Royal Assent (veto) for the bill but that’s unheard of these days.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Watching live, sounds like even more defections. 327 (ayes, right)-299 (nos, left)
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According to Sky News there was another defection this morning with the 329-300 vote. As expected, Boris immediately had her removed from the party.

Sir Nicholas Soames is no saint. Just look at his voting record and comments he made about Princess Diana, but it was sad to see the old guy fighting back tears today. A military veteran, MP for 36 years and a patriot through and through and he had his career ended by a man not fit to shine his shoes.


I have returned home, put on my JRM pajamas and am ready for the fireworks display from Parliament!
 
Re: Brexit - Should I stay or should I go??

Final vote:
Ayes to the right 298
Noes to the left: 56

Under the 2011 Fixed Term Parliaments Act the vote fails.
 
Re: Brexit - Should I stay or should I go??

Didn't pass. 299-56(nay) but didn't get the necessary majority.
Now they're trading sharp jabs.
 
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ticapnews said:
A look at the schedule for the rest of today:
Sometime after 7PM GMT there will be a debate and final vote on the Brexit bill. The vote should come around 9PM GMT. The House will then take up the question of a new election. The vote on a new election should come around 11PM GMT.
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So no more bills tonight right?
 
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