Re: Bracketology 1.1 - before the conference tournaments. Don't be upset
Great article. Hobart can't leave anything to chance tomorrow.
Great article. Hobart can't leave anything to chance tomorrow.
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Bracketology 1.1 - before the conference tournaments. Don't be upset
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Lightningvinny100
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It’s hard to make a case where Hobart doesn’t make it. Even if the last spot comes down to Hobart/UMB it’s hard to see UMB getting the nod while they are sitting at home watching the team they just lost to at home in the semis. Of course that’s the old way of thinking ,, this one will take the PW calculator. I expect if all the home teams win Sat that Hobart/AC/UMB will all be within nose hairs of each other . Like you said, why leave it to chance
Russell Jaslow
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Re: Bracketology 1.1 - before the conference tournaments. Don't be upset
Are you sure you weren't looking at the women's bracket? They still have a third place game for D3.
Are you sure you weren't looking at the women's bracket? They still have a third place game for D3.
Russell Jaslow
Registered User
Re: Bracketology 1.1 - before the conference tournaments. Don't be upset
Last year, Minnesota-Duluth was the last one in the D1 playoffs ... by a margin of .0001. And they went on to win the national championship.
Last year, Minnesota-Duluth was the last one in the D1 playoffs ... by a margin of .0001. And they went on to win the national championship.
Lightningvinny100
New member
So I just came up w a thought that is frightening for AL teams,,, maybe I’m not understanding it correctly but wouldn’t Eau Claire get a .05 QWB for beating the number 1 ranked team,,, thus propelling their RPI to over .6159 which would basically lock them into an AL bid,, shorting the AL pool to 1,,, or is it more complex then that
Tom Coughlin
5x NCAA Champ/2x Super Bowl Champ
Re: Bracketology 1.1 - before the conference tournaments. Don't be upset
I think there is more to it than this but that .05 probably gets averaged over the 30ish game season so it's more like a .0017 point bonus on an overall basis. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.
I think there is more to it than this but that .05 probably gets averaged over the 30ish game season so it's more like a .0017 point bonus on an overall basis. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.
cetihcra
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Re: Bracketology 1.1 - before the conference tournaments. Don't be upset
You are correct, the QWB isn't merely added, it's weighted for home/away, and averaged.
EDIT: so assuming 30 games, it would be .05*1.2 (road win bonus) / 30 = .002 RPI bump.
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You are correct, the QWB isn't merely added, it's weighted for home/away, and averaged.
EDIT: so assuming 30 games, it would be .05*1.2 (road win bonus) / 30 = .002 RPI bump.
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Birdwatcher
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Https://www.ncaa.com/brackets/icehockey-men/d3/2019
Fishman'81
Black Bear since D-2
Re: Bracketology 1.1 - before the conference tournaments. Don't be upset
Jesus Q. Murphy.
D-3 just can't seem to resist laying its slimy hands on the process, one way or the other.
The raw RPI works, or better still, the KRACH, but the D-3 brass always seems determined to meddle.
Jesus Q. Murphy.
D-3 just can't seem to resist laying its slimy hands on the process, one way or the other.
The raw RPI works, or better still, the KRACH, but the D-3 brass always seems determined to meddle.
After years of *****ing you think youd find something else to enjoy since this dont seem to make you happy. Life is short.
See the first post in this thread and my link to the Championship manual. No 3rd place game.
Russell Jaslow
Registered User
It has nothing to do with D3. It’s the same for D1. Sheesh...
Re: Bracketology 1.1 - before the conference tournaments. Don't be upset
I know the bracket says Div III hockey, but my Chrome tab says that's "2019 DIII Men's Lacrosse Official Bracket"....
I know the bracket says Div III hockey, but my Chrome tab says that's "2019 DIII Men's Lacrosse Official Bracket"....
Lightningvinny100
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Re: Bracketology 1.1 - before the conference tournaments. Don't be upset
Not sure how I feel about the PW system. I guess it’s better then smoke filled room deals but I’m trying to wrap my head around how Hobart/Adrian could be passed by UMB that lost in the conf semis and they other two are almost penalized for losing in the conference finals. (If That were to happen) I just can’t see a road loss to Norwich or SNC dropping you much. Wondering if the conference final is more wieghted or is it just another road loss.
The alternative is to win and be in (harder to do)
Not sure how I feel about the PW system. I guess it’s better then smoke filled room deals but I’m trying to wrap my head around how Hobart/Adrian could be passed by UMB that lost in the conf semis and they other two are almost penalized for losing in the conference finals. (If That were to happen) I just can’t see a road loss to Norwich or SNC dropping you much. Wondering if the conference final is more wieghted or is it just another road loss.
The alternative is to win and be in (harder to do)
PrezdeJohnson09
Proud supporter of Osmirwich hockey
Re: Bracketology 1.1 - before the conference tournaments. Don't be upset
It's the whole body of work. Losing in the conference semis and the conference finals is the same.
It's the whole body of work. Losing in the conference semis and the conference finals is the same.
Birdwatcher
Registered User
I don't believe there is a third place game, I was just pointing out it was on the bracket. BTW, that bracket is set up for 12 teams.
Lightningvinny100
New member
I guess ,,. But something inside me says losing a home semi final and getting on a bus ride for 8 hours to play the defending national champions isn’t exactly apples to apples. But I get that the computer can’t distinguish between the two. And a human could make an absolute case that Hobart/ and Adrian would be the final 2 in if they were to lose. We don’t know how the computer will spit the numbers out so maybe it will end up that way.
Re: Bracketology 1.1 - before the conference tournaments. Don't be upset
Losing a home game is weighted at 1.2. Losing a road game is weighted at 0.8. Home losses are more damaging than road losses.
Losing a home game is weighted at 1.2. Losing a road game is weighted at 0.8. Home losses are more damaging than road losses.
Russell Jaslow
Registered User
You have to understand that in the prior system and in the PWR there is absolutely no distinction, none whatsoever, between a regular season game and a playoff game, win or lose. None. Nada. Zippo.
It only matters who you play. Not when.
Fishman'81
Black Bear since D-2
Re: Bracketology 1.1 - before the conference tournaments. Don't be upset
Yes. I didn't realize that D-1 used home/away and top-20 weighting; I thought it used basic RPI. My bad.
Yes. I didn't realize that D-1 used home/away and top-20 weighting; I thought it used basic RPI. My bad.