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BouncyBall 2013/2014
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Re: BouncyBall 2013/2014
Ah, you beat me to it. Maher's made quite a living being a total jerk and saying stupid stuff (and occasionally something insightful).
Re: BouncyBall 2013/2014
Oh, he's a smart guy, no doubt about it. But I think he's found that being sensationalistic and obnoxious draws more attention, and viewers.
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Re: BouncyBall 2013/2014
Probably. Either way, I don't want to steer this too off topic.
Sounds like Sterling's wife has a half-stake in the team and she doesn't want to sell. Watch out for the roflcopter making low passes on this story. It's going to be amazing.
Probably. Either way, I don't want to steer this too off topic.
Sounds like Sterling's wife has a half-stake in the team and she doesn't want to sell. Watch out for the roflcopter making low passes on this story. It's going to be amazing.
Re: BouncyBall 2013/2014
Yes, the Stirling's wife angle will be interesting to see play out. I wonder if somehow the NBA could work the fact that she's part owner to somehow force a sale, or it could go the other way and make it harder to force a sale, given that she didn't have anything to do with the comments.
Agreed on getting off topic. Last thing I'll say is that Maher is one of the most interesting people to hear talk about stuff when he's not doing his schtick.
Yes, the Stirling's wife angle will be interesting to see play out. I wonder if somehow the NBA could work the fact that she's part owner to somehow force a sale, or it could go the other way and make it harder to force a sale, given that she didn't have anything to do with the comments.
P
Priceless
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Re: BouncyBall 2013/2014
She has so many hours of him on tape because she is writing a book about him. No, really, she is planning a book about him. She has been recording him - with his knowledge and cooperation. In fact, this recording may have been made with Sterling's knowledge. There is another part in the tape where he seems to acknowledge that he is being recorded. He just did not think the tape would ever be made public.
Defended him in that the NBA shouldn't punish him because he said these things in the privacy of his own home. She managed to get in the phrase "slippery slope" as well. Silver answered it nicely: He may have said these things privately, but they aren't private anymore.
She has so many hours of him on tape because she is writing a book about him. No, really, she is planning a book about him. She has been recording him - with his knowledge and cooperation. In fact, this recording may have been made with Sterling's knowledge. There is another part in the tape where he seems to acknowledge that he is being recorded. He just did not think the tape would ever be made public.
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
ExileOnDaytonStreet
Drunkard
This says a lot about our culture.
Say repugnant stuff about poor people in his slums (seriously, that whole scandal is even worse than this one, content-wise)? No controversy, no action.
Say terrible things about famous millionaires? Immediate and decisive action, banned for life.
That, my friends, is how <strike>America</strike> the world works.
I don't really blame the NBA for this: they're responding to the controversy, not the offense. Their grounds for going him the boot revolve around publicity and preventing boycotts, which is irrelevant if the media and the public aren't demanding punishment. Instead I blame the media, and the moronic lowest-common-denominator that it feeds off of, for that.
MountieBoyOz
Eater of Worlds
Re: BouncyBall 2013/2014
Bomani Jones was right about this whole Sterling thing.
http://deadspin.com/in-10-minutes-espns-bomani-jones-lays-waste-to-the-ste-1569195989
Bomani Jones was right about this whole Sterling thing.
http://deadspin.com/in-10-minutes-espns-bomani-jones-lays-waste-to-the-ste-1569195989
Twitch Boy
Defacing this tagline is a MAX foul
Re: BouncyBall 2013/2014
Per several sources, if the ruling had been unfavorable Golden State had planned to walk off the court after the opening tip of tonight's game.
Per several sources, if the ruling had been unfavorable Golden State had planned to walk off the court after the opening tip of tonight's game.
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Re: BouncyBall 2013/2014
A poor choice if they had done it. This whole thing is getting ridiculous.
A poor choice if they had done it. This whole thing is getting ridiculous.
Re: BouncyBall 2013/2014
Yup, that's about the way it is. I don't have any issue with the NBA throwing the book at him, other than that I don't recall seeing this done in the past and I really don't expect this type of punishment to be applied consistently in the future. But Stirling is the easiest of targets and has been asking for it for a long while, and this turned into such a huge PR situation that the NBA had to act decisively, first and foremost as a business necessity.
Re: BouncyBall 2013/2014
Interesting will be whether the owners vote to force him to sell the team. That might very well be a mistake. Then Sterling would go to court and sue. Discovery would follow. He then would demonstrate how many other owners and league officials said pretty much the same thing, in private, and claim a double standard: how can they force him to sell for racist comments, made in private, while they all say the same thing in private themselves?
From all accounts, there are no claims of racism in how the team is operated on a day to day basis.
Interesting will be whether the owners vote to force him to sell the team. That might very well be a mistake. Then Sterling would go to court and sue. Discovery would follow. He then would demonstrate how many other owners and league officials said pretty much the same thing, in private, and claim a double standard: how can they force him to sell for racist comments, made in private, while they all say the same thing in private themselves?
From all accounts, there are no claims of racism in how the team is operated on a day to day basis.
unofan
Well-known member
For curiosity's sake, what do you think he could sue them over? Having a double standard is not itself illegal.
It's also questionable whether these were private. I read one story which said these tapes were made with his full knowledge.
Re: BouncyBall 2013/2014
Here's something I struggle with regarding Sterling. The guy is clearly a jerk, bigot, and all-round despicable guy.
But do we want to live in a world where what has just happened to Sterling can happen to anyone?
Has anyone on this Board ever stated truly outrageous opinions, expressed sentiments that would certainly be unpopular if not condemned, used language you wouldn't use in public? I have. Very privately, to close friends, maybe to my wife or family members. Expressed those views for effect, to promote a response.
So ask yourself this. What if that close friend or family member was recording that statement, and then later, in a fit of anger, or for revenge, or for blackmail, or otherwise, decided to trot it out for the world to see? If you're like Sterling, your life just dramatically changed. In fact yours would probably change far more than his will.
Is that how we want to live?
I still believe that if you want to be a bigoted, miserly azzhole in private, or around your dog, or in the presence of only your wife, you ought to be able to do that. You shouldn't be able to discriminate against your employees or tenants or do some of the other things he apparently has done.
I'll be honest, I'm not that comfortable in a world where a guy tells his mistress, and just her, that he doesn't want her hanging around black people, or bringing Magic Johnson to a game with her, and suddenly society or the NBA feels the need to fine him $2.5 million and force him to sell something he probably doesn't want to sell. And let's be honest, the NBA is doing this only because of public pressure from society as a whole.
If fans want to boycott the Clippers because the owner is a racist, by all means. If players want to refuse to be employed by him for the same reason, more power to them. If sponsors want to bail, I support them.
A lot of stone casting associated with this story, probably by people or groups that aren't really in a position to do so.
I have trouble seeing how he could successfully sue, not that he won't. I'm sure he'll do something if for no other reason than buying some time. Also, if he's forced to sell, the sales price may be artificially reduced.
Here's something I struggle with regarding Sterling. The guy is clearly a jerk, bigot, and all-round despicable guy.
But do we want to live in a world where what has just happened to Sterling can happen to anyone?
Has anyone on this Board ever stated truly outrageous opinions, expressed sentiments that would certainly be unpopular if not condemned, used language you wouldn't use in public? I have. Very privately, to close friends, maybe to my wife or family members. Expressed those views for effect, to promote a response.
So ask yourself this. What if that close friend or family member was recording that statement, and then later, in a fit of anger, or for revenge, or for blackmail, or otherwise, decided to trot it out for the world to see? If you're like Sterling, your life just dramatically changed. In fact yours would probably change far more than his will.
Is that how we want to live?
I still believe that if you want to be a bigoted, miserly azzhole in private, or around your dog, or in the presence of only your wife, you ought to be able to do that. You shouldn't be able to discriminate against your employees or tenants or do some of the other things he apparently has done.
I'll be honest, I'm not that comfortable in a world where a guy tells his mistress, and just her, that he doesn't want her hanging around black people, or bringing Magic Johnson to a game with her, and suddenly society or the NBA feels the need to fine him $2.5 million and force him to sell something he probably doesn't want to sell. And let's be honest, the NBA is doing this only because of public pressure from society as a whole.
If fans want to boycott the Clippers because the owner is a racist, by all means. If players want to refuse to be employed by him for the same reason, more power to them. If sponsors want to bail, I support them.
A lot of stone casting associated with this story, probably by people or groups that aren't really in a position to do so.
Patman
Rodent of Unusual Size
Re: BouncyBall 2013/2014
One can agree about the offense, one can agree with the punishment... The only real alarming thing is the fervor and the increasing "off with his head" tendency that seems to be growing at-large.
Sometimes these things become an excuse to act in ritualistic fashion. A dark binding of a community as it were.
This man is not somebody to be liked but the way things seem to go now is oddly depressing. That everybody has to crank it to 11 and not otherwise appear sincere or in agreement is a problem
One can agree about the offense, one can agree with the punishment... The only real alarming thing is the fervor and the increasing "off with his head" tendency that seems to be growing at-large.
Sometimes these things become an excuse to act in ritualistic fashion. A dark binding of a community as it were.
This man is not somebody to be liked but the way things seem to go now is oddly depressing. That everybody has to crank it to 11 and not otherwise appear sincere or in agreement is a problem
Jon
Say, this is nice.
Re: BouncyBall 2013/2014
This is why you don't cheat on your wife. And if you do, it isn't with someone who is recording your phone conversations in order to write a book about you being a racist nitwit.
You all do realize that this litigious jackanapes is going to sue the hell out of the NBA and his mistress for the way this went down, right?
This is why you don't cheat on your wife. And if you do, it isn't with someone who is recording your phone conversations in order to write a book about you being a racist nitwit.
You all do realize that this litigious jackanapes is going to sue the hell out of the NBA and his mistress for the way this went down, right?
Re: BouncyBall 2013/2014
How we want to live? You mean having to pay consequences for your actions? well... yes.
Nobody is saying he can't be a bigoted *******. He can. He just has to pay the consequences of doing so when he is an NBA owner and his actions can affect the bottom line of the league.
There's an old saying, something like.. if you don't want anyone to find out about it - maybe you shouldn't be doing it.
And I don't think you can really call a knowingly recorded conversation "private".
How we want to live? You mean having to pay consequences for your actions? well... yes.
Nobody is saying he can't be a bigoted *******. He can. He just has to pay the consequences of doing so when he is an NBA owner and his actions can affect the bottom line of the league.There's an old saying, something like.. if you don't want anyone to find out about it - maybe you shouldn't be doing it.
And I don't think you can really call a knowingly recorded conversation "private".
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Re: BouncyBall 2013/2014
Except for the way he treated Baron Davis. Except when he didn't want to pay JJ Redick or Eric Bledsoe what they were worth because it was too much for a white player.
Except for the way he treated Baron Davis. Except when he didn't want to pay JJ Redick or Eric Bledsoe what they were worth because it was too much for a white player.