Boston University season thread 4: Where BC comes to talk hockey

[ericredaxe]

Re: Boston University season thread 4: Where BC comes to talk hockey

Thanks for generating the list. He came aboard in the 2004 offseason; I believe Strait & Bennett were his first "big" recruits. I'm sure he had a hand in recruiting Clendening, Nieto, Hohmann and Privitera before departing.

The things that stand out to me on the list are:

- Early departures (Wilson, Bonino, Shattenkirk, Cohen, Warsofsky, Coyle, Chiasson, Clendening, Courtnall, Cisse). He coached Warsofsky 1 year, and never coached Coyle, Chiasson, Clendening, Courtnall, Cisse.
- Dismissals from the team (Bennett, Saponaris, Glass, Trivino, Nicastro). Again, he coached Vinny, Glass & Trivino 1 year, and didn't coach Nicastro at all.

One can speculate whether Quinn's could've mitigated some of the early departures (of players he didn't coach) or the off-ice issues if he had been around the past 4 years...

It will be interesting to see... I'd be most interested in the cases like Coyle and Cisse and (forgot the other "M" name that left this year)... I think for guys like Wilson, Bonino etc that it is pretty hard to "blame" the coaching staff when the pros come calling

 

[Bomber]

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It will be interesting to see... I'd be most interested in the cases like Coyle and Cisse and (forgot the other "M" name that left this year)... I think for guys like Wilson, Bonino etc that it is pretty hard to "blame" the coaching staff when the pros come calling

Myron.

 

[Rogie21]

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feel free to figure out who falls between Q arrival on campus and his departure - and whom he would have talked to before leaving.........

Quinn was involved in recruiting all of the 2009 class --with the possible exception of Santana--including the four who departed early for a variety of positive and negative reasons. A talented group that was highly regarded at the time.

Of the last group of blueliners Quinn coached at BU, five have reached the NHL and the sixth was very close when the shortened NHL season began. Surely, not all the credit for this goes to Quinn, but a considerable amount does, especially in the development of Gilroy, who hadn't played defense for a few season before arriving as a walk-on.

 

[Friend_of_BU_Hockey]

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Quinn was involved in recruiting all of the 2009 class --with the possible exception of Santana--including the four who departed early for a variety of positive and negative reasons. A talented group that was highly regarded at the time.

IIRC Chiasson, Nicastro, and Ethan Werek were widely considered to be the "prizes" of the 2009 class. Nicastro would've come to BU in 2008 if Gilroy didn't return for his Senior year.

I believe Werek (who was a teammate of Trivino in Junior B hockey in the OPJHL) was projected to be a high 1st round pick at the time he was recruited in 2006-2007. He chose MJs a year before he was supposed to arrive; that & Wilson's early departure resulted in BU bringing in Megan a year ahead of schedule. Escobedo also came a year early as the result of Brian Strait's departure.

 

[Rogie21]

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IIRC Chiasson, Nicastro, and Ethan Werek were widely considered to be the "prizes" of the 2009 class. Nicastro would've come to BU in 2008 if Gilroy didn't return for his Senior year.

I believe Werek (who was a teammate of Trivino in Junior B hockey in the OPJHL) was projected to be a high 1st round pick at the time he was recruited in 2006-2007. He chose MJs a year before he was supposed to arrive; that & Wilson's early departure resulted in BU bringing in Megan a year ahead of schedule. Escobedo also came a year early as the result of Brian Strait's departure.

That's all correct. Werek's father became convinced--by some OHL influencers--that his son wouldn't get enough pre-draft visibility if he spent a season in the USHL. When he bailed, Quinn recruited Chiasson. Can't complain about that swap.

 

[mookie1995]

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That's all correct. Werek's father became convinced--by some OHL influencers--that his son wouldn't get enough pre-draft visibility if he spent a season in the USHL..

this was right on the heels of pat kane going to the ohl and throwing up obscene offensive numbers and shooting up to #1 in the draft, no?

 

[defkit]

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Maybe I'm overconfident in the impact that Quinn will have, but when someone says "wait until he hits his first losing streak, people will be calling for his head", I think, really? The only people who care enough about BU hockey are on this board, and save for a handful of us, it took a LOOOOOONG time before the majority started calling for Parker to step down. I know Jofa, Rover, myself and others are so thrilled with this change that it would take a REALLY horrible dry spell to make us think he's not the right guy. As Rover said (I think), I just don't see him doing any worse than what we've seen for the past 16 years.

I have a completely different outlook on the future of the program now, and I can't wait for it to get started.

 

[chickod]

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Maybe I'm overconfident in the impact that Quinn will have, but when someone says "wait until he hits his first losing streak, people will be calling for his head", I think, really? The only people who care enough about BU hockey are on this board, and save for a handful of us, it took a LOOOOOONG time before the majority started calling for Parker to step down. I know Jofa, Rover, myself and others are so thrilled with this change that it would take a REALLY horrible dry spell to make us think he's not the right guy. As Rover said (I think), I just don't see him doing any worse than what we've seen for the past 16 years.

I have a completely different outlook on the future of the program now, and I can't wait for it to get started.

Completely agree. From a personal perspective, I was in college at BU when Jack started coaching. I have NEVER seen BU with another coach (unless you want to count the 1/2 season with Leon Abbott). Scary to think where all the time has gone...almost surreal. The only downer was that it happened so fast we didn't even have a chance to talk about it! But I'm excited and almost wish the season would start tomorrow!

 

[ericredaxe]

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Maybe I'm overconfident in the impact that Quinn will have, but when someone says "wait until he hits his first losing streak, people will be calling for his head", I think, really? The only people who care enough about BU hockey are on this board, and save for a handful of us, it took a LOOOOOONG time before the majority started calling for Parker to step down. I know Jofa, Rover, myself and others are so thrilled with this change that it would take a REALLY horrible dry spell to make us think he's not the right guy. As Rover said (I think), I just don't see him doing any worse than what we've seen for the past 16 years.

I have a completely different outlook on the future of the program now, and I can't wait for it to get started.

That was not indented as an attack anyone on this board, nor am I predicting any losing streaks... was really just commentary as it being the nature of the business where the position of head coach for a high profile program is one of the most scrutinized positions there is.

As for me, I too will be there with my season tickets in the fall, excited about the season and looking forward to many more great things to come.

 

[Jacques Joubert]

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Myron.

Coyle plays for the Minnesota Wild. Just sayin'.

 

[bantam75]

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Maybe I'm overconfident in the impact that Quinn will have, but when someone says "wait until he hits his first losing streak, people will be calling for his head", I think, really? The only people who care enough about BU hockey are on this board, and save for a handful of us, it took a LOOOOOONG time before the majority started calling for Parker to step down. I know Jofa, Rover, myself and others are so thrilled with this change that it would take a REALLY horrible dry spell to make us think he's not the right guy. As Rover said (I think), I just don't see him doing any worse than what we've seen for the past 16 years.

I have a completely different outlook on the future of the program now, and I can't wait for it to get started.

As does just about all the long time BU supporters do. Quinn should have been the coach 4 years ago, if Jack had not been so stubborn about stepping down when he was on top. BU will get the top talent every year because they are BU. But it takes discipline and good coaching to get them to be a top 10 program year-in and year-out. This is not how Jack should have gone out after all he did for the program. I am sure that Jack must be thinking about how Jack Kelly moved on after back-to-back titles and how he could have gone out with the same adulation had he left after 2009. Thank god Quinnie was open to coming back when many thought he was the heir apparent 4 years ago.

 

[bantam75]

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Well clearly the fix was in from the start; but also clearly the right choice. Popular with fans, alums and the recruiting crowd as well. In the end I think Quinn's time in the AHL and NHL is going to be a big benefit and make him a better HC than if he just took over in 2009. Maybe that was part of the plan, as well?

No, not even close. He was ready in 2009, but your point is a good one about the pro experience.

 

[Tater]

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This has since been buried pages and pages back, but kind of shocking that the Quinn news was first broken by a PC fan!

Quinn had a great news conference today and is a good speaker. I feel better about the long term health of the program than I have in a long time. It's like a breath of fresh air has been injected into the program.

 

[mookie1995]

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but kind of shocking that the Quinn news was first broken by a PC fan!

??

this is Q home turf!!

 

[Harry Cleverly]

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I was interested to hear his comments about Bavis and Powers... will be interesting to see who stays / who goes etc. Did others get the impression that for now, at least Bavis will be staying? (Didn't we read about Buddy buying a house somewhere near Bowling Green?)

I think that Powers goes and it is 50/50 on Bavis. Powers may retire to Bowling Green. Bavis may (should) start looking for another head coaching job.

Since goalie coaches are mostly part-time and/or "volunteers," I'd expect Geragosian to stay. He is a very good goalie coach, so why not?

Pertti Hasanen is the Director of Hockey Operations and is a past assistant coach. Does he stay or go?

I suspect that Quinn will want to shake things up a bid ... but not stir the pot completely.

I will repeat that I think Mike Grier would be a terrific addition. And Albie O'Connell could help to straighten out the powerplay.

 

[BU Fan 84]

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I think that Powers goes and it is 50/50 on Bavis. Powers may retire to Bowling Green. Bavis may (should) start looking for another head coaching job.

Since goalie coaches are mostly part-time and/or "volunteers," I'd expect Geragosian to stay. He is a very good goalie coach, so why not?

Pertti Hasanen is the Director of Hockey Operations and is a past assistant coach. Does he stay or go?

I suspect that Quinn will want to shake things up a bid ... but not stir the pot completely.

I will repeat that I think Mike Grier would be a terrific addition. And Albie O'Connell could help to straighten out the powerplay.

There's no doubt that Powers goes. He took the job quickly when they needed him as a favor to Parker, something to do for a few years. It was always understood that he'd leave when Parker did.

 

[brassbonanza]

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There's no doubt that Powers goes. He took the job quickly when they needed him as a favor to Parker, something to do for a few years. It was always understood that he'd leave when Parker did.

Yeah, Powers is gone for sure. This allows Quinn a spot to input a guy he wants, so I'd bet he offers Bavis the opportunity to stay on as associate so there isn't a complete coaching staff overhaul all at once and to maintain a bit of continuity with the incoming recruits and players. But I would expect Bavis is on the lookout for a HC position of his own and is gone to one within 3 years.

 

[chickod]

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As does just about all the long time BU supporters do. Quinn should have been the coach 4 years ago, if Jack had not been so stubborn about stepping down when he was on top. BU will get the top talent every year because they are BU. But it takes discipline and good coaching to get them to be a top 10 program year-in and year-out. This is not how Jack should have gone out after all he did for the program. I am sure that Jack must be thinking about how Jack Kelly moved on after back-to-back titles and how he could have gone out with the same adulation had he left after 2009. Thank god Quinnie was open to coming back when many thought he was the heir apparent 4 years ago.

I don't think you'll get too much argument from anyone here in that regard. And that frustration has been clearly and frequently expressed throughout the last four years. Having said that, it's time to move on and look forward. What's done is done.

 

[Agganis]

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No, not even close. He was ready in 2009, but your point is a good one about the pro experience.

Fans were confident in him, but during the only interview Lynch did during the search he said definitely preferred a candidate with HC experience, not sure the U17s would have really satisfied that.

I think that Powers goes and it is 50/50 on Bavis. Powers may retire to Bowling Green. Bavis may (should) start looking for another head coaching job.

Between getting the job and the press conference Jack and Quinn had 3 conversations, Quinn and Bavis did not speak once. I may be reading too much into that, but when I got a position that I and a colleague both interviewed for, and I still wanted them to remain working with me I called that person as soon as the conversation where I received the offer was over, I think well under 50% chance Bavis stays.

Based on the difficulty the two BC guys have had getting even serious consideration for another job I'm not sure what Bavis' HC options will be.

 

[mookie1995]

Based on the difficulty the two BC guys have had getting even serious consideration for another job I'm not sure what Bavis' HC options will be.

You don't think a big part of this is peeps figuring that the second Jerry steps down (tick tick tick tick....) whichever of the two someone hires will be printing up a résumé to send up newton way??

[fairly surmised or not]