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Re: Boston University Part IV: Off-Season or New Season?
heck, maybe the executive A.D. is evaluating him right now!!!!!
heck, maybe the executive A.D. is evaluating him right now!!!!!
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Boston University Part IV: Off-Season or New Season?
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Re: Boston University Part IV: Off-Season or New Season?
i hear he does like to make people rate themselves
i hear he does like to make people rate themselves
Re: Boston University Part IV: Off-Season or New Season?
Yes, I've believed Parker outlived his usefulness awhile back. Not to say that he wasn't a great coach. However, when your fan base could see the loss coming on Sunday before the game was even played due to the team's inability to match its opponents intensity, regardless of whether they have more talent or not, its time for the coach to call it a (stellar) career.
Parker now reminds me of the last 20 years of Harry Sinden's disasterous reign as Bruins GM/President. The game had long since passed him by, yet he still insisted on making moves to drag the rest of the league his way. Parker's the same way. He's a throwback to the era of the 70's when coaches/management had an adversarial relationship with the players. The "my way or the highway" attitude. This I think is reflected in the randomness of who gets dismissed from the team and who stays. IMHO, players would go through a wall for Jerry York. I don't see that at all with Parker.
So, to sum of this season's demise, what happened? Same as usual over the last two decades. 1) Power play was god-awful, 2) Team didn't show up in big games and played half speed, 3) No cohesion on offense - all looked like they just met for a pickup hockey game. The Coach is a recruiter. He's got a good eye for talent, even when the team is awful. If he gets a bunch of those guys in at once, and they all stick around, great, once a decade the team will make a run. Beyond that, forget about getting players to play hard or above their talent level. That doesn't tend to happen here.
I'd say I'm disappointed in this weekend's results but I'd have to be surprised by it first and I'm not. I don't care for them but good for NU. I'll be rooting for them to go all the way.
Yes, I've believed Parker outlived his usefulness awhile back. Not to say that he wasn't a great coach. However, when your fan base could see the loss coming on Sunday before the game was even played due to the team's inability to match its opponents intensity, regardless of whether they have more talent or not, its time for the coach to call it a (stellar) career.
Parker now reminds me of the last 20 years of Harry Sinden's disasterous reign as Bruins GM/President. The game had long since passed him by, yet he still insisted on making moves to drag the rest of the league his way. Parker's the same way. He's a throwback to the era of the 70's when coaches/management had an adversarial relationship with the players. The "my way or the highway" attitude. This I think is reflected in the randomness of who gets dismissed from the team and who stays. IMHO, players would go through a wall for Jerry York. I don't see that at all with Parker.
So, to sum of this season's demise, what happened? Same as usual over the last two decades. 1) Power play was god-awful, 2) Team didn't show up in big games and played half speed, 3) No cohesion on offense - all looked like they just met for a pickup hockey game. The Coach is a recruiter. He's got a good eye for talent, even when the team is awful. If he gets a bunch of those guys in at once, and they all stick around, great, once a decade the team will make a run. Beyond that, forget about getting players to play hard or above their talent level. That doesn't tend to happen here.
I'd say I'm disappointed in this weekend's results but I'd have to be surprised by it first and I'm not. I don't care for them but good for NU. I'll be rooting for them to go all the way.
Re: Boston University Part IV: Off-Season or New Season?
LOL! Excellent.
LOL! Excellent.
Re: Boston University Part IV: Off-Season or New Season?
I think we are still a couple bad years from the higher ups even contemplating this question. Fans are always the first ones to call for the coaches head and to play the back-up goalie. Go back and read all the NU fans saying Cronin was an idiot if he didn't start Witt last night. I believe this is the first time since the 80's a BU team missed the NCAAs in two straight years. I think this team has a great chance of making a run next year(obviously im a homer i know) but they have two thirds out of the leadership back(if Warso stays) while only losing Pereira and possibly Warso/Chiasson and if this team goes and makes a frozen four next year I think all the fans would forget about this question. Obviously if the team doesn't make the tournament again it could be time for the coach to move on but I can't imagine him leaving in the next couple years. Comley hasn't been at the school aslong as Parker and four years removed the NC from 09 would be 2013 for Parker to make a serious run. I think the team next year is loaded with talent from top to bottom. I would like to see a bigger defensman(Gryba-like) coming to solidfy the d but if no one leaves besides Pereira you almost have too many players with the incoming freshman class and Cisse coming back from injury. Also I read on the fire Don Lucia thread that former players are coming back to tell the AD that he can't coach the way he used to anymore. I couldn't imagine any former players(minus Andy Glass or Saponari) coming back and saying the same about Parker to Lynch. Who would replace him anyway? If you don't think Parker can do the job then you probably dont trust Bavis with it either since he is Parker's right hand man. Who would you hire from the outside to replace a guy who coached for 40+ years at the same place. It would be awfully big shoes to fill no matter what you think of Parker now.
I think we are still a couple bad years from the higher ups even contemplating this question. Fans are always the first ones to call for the coaches head and to play the back-up goalie. Go back and read all the NU fans saying Cronin was an idiot if he didn't start Witt last night. I believe this is the first time since the 80's a BU team missed the NCAAs in two straight years. I think this team has a great chance of making a run next year(obviously im a homer i know) but they have two thirds out of the leadership back(if Warso stays) while only losing Pereira and possibly Warso/Chiasson and if this team goes and makes a frozen four next year I think all the fans would forget about this question. Obviously if the team doesn't make the tournament again it could be time for the coach to move on but I can't imagine him leaving in the next couple years. Comley hasn't been at the school aslong as Parker and four years removed the NC from 09 would be 2013 for Parker to make a serious run. I think the team next year is loaded with talent from top to bottom. I would like to see a bigger defensman(Gryba-like) coming to solidfy the d but if no one leaves besides Pereira you almost have too many players with the incoming freshman class and Cisse coming back from injury. Also I read on the fire Don Lucia thread that former players are coming back to tell the AD that he can't coach the way he used to anymore. I couldn't imagine any former players(minus Andy Glass or Saponari) coming back and saying the same about Parker to Lynch. Who would replace him anyway? If you don't think Parker can do the job then you probably dont trust Bavis with it either since he is Parker's right hand man. Who would you hire from the outside to replace a guy who coached for 40+ years at the same place. It would be awfully big shoes to fill no matter what you think of Parker now.
Re: Boston University Part IV: Off-Season or New Season?
This is the same guy who won a NC 2 years ago and also has run an arguably top-5 and inarguably top-10 program in the NCAA over the past decade, right?
ericredaxe
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Re: Boston University Part IV: Off-Season or New Season?
So I went through the PWR Predictor putting in results I thought were most likely to happen and I ended up with BU and CC tied for 15th. BU had a better RPI, but CC won the individual comparison. Wouldn't mind seeing that to be honest with you as it would answer one question about the PWR once and for all.
So I went through the PWR Predictor putting in results I thought were most likely to happen and I ended up with BU and CC tied for 15th. BU had a better RPI, but CC won the individual comparison. Wouldn't mind seeing that to be honest with you as it would answer one question about the PWR once and for all.
ericredaxe
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Re: Boston University Part IV: Off-Season or New Season?
And notice they had no information as to what the cost of basketball season tickets for next year would be.... is it going to be similar to the "Terrier Basketball 2-fer" or whatever it was called that was $199 for 2 tickets to every game, and also included parking and 2 hotdogs / drinks and popcorn at every game (or something like that?). Or after this year, is that price going to go through the roof?
I had enough fun at the game on Saturday, that if they keep a similar price structure, then I just might do it next year. Regardless there is no way I'm able to go to Tulsa so I dont have to decide now anyway.
And notice they had no information as to what the cost of basketball season tickets for next year would be.... is it going to be similar to the "Terrier Basketball 2-fer" or whatever it was called that was $199 for 2 tickets to every game, and also included parking and 2 hotdogs / drinks and popcorn at every game (or something like that?). Or after this year, is that price going to go through the roof?
I had enough fun at the game on Saturday, that if they keep a similar price structure, then I just might do it next year. Regardless there is no way I'm able to go to Tulsa so I dont have to decide now anyway.
Re: Boston University Part IV: Off-Season or New Season?
I doubt the administration would act to force him out even if they thought it was time for him to go. They aren't going to force him out after a season where he's coached his youngest team ever. So if we suck again next year, then they might think it's time for him to go. But I'm sure he's got a pretty huge buyout so unless he's willing to step out on his own, then why would they pay that buyout which could be two or three times his yearly salary when his contract is up after the 2015 season anyway? The way I see it, he'll either retire on his own or leave in 2015 when his contract is up.
I doubt the administration would act to force him out even if they thought it was time for him to go. They aren't going to force him out after a season where he's coached his youngest team ever. So if we suck again next year, then they might think it's time for him to go. But I'm sure he's got a pretty huge buyout so unless he's willing to step out on his own, then why would they pay that buyout which could be two or three times his yearly salary when his contract is up after the 2015 season anyway? The way I see it, he'll either retire on his own or leave in 2015 when his contract is up.
Re: Boston University Part IV: Off-Season or New Season?
Yeah the lack of a price range for season tickets is something to scare people away for sure but they are only asking for a 15$ deposit per seat so couldnt you technically pay the deposit and then back out of the season tickets if it was too pricey and still get your trip to lively Tulsa too. taking a quick look at flights look like it would be alot to fly down anywhere near Tulsa now the week of the game nevermind hotels are probably crazy there.
Yeah the lack of a price range for season tickets is something to scare people away for sure but they are only asking for a 15$ deposit per seat so couldnt you technically pay the deposit and then back out of the season tickets if it was too pricey and still get your trip to lively Tulsa too. taking a quick look at flights look like it would be alot to fly down anywhere near Tulsa now the week of the game nevermind hotels are probably crazy there.
Re: Boston University Part IV: Off-Season or New Season?
"For each comparison won, a team receives one point. The final PWR ranking is based on the number of points (comparisons) won against teams with an RPI at or above .500. Ties are settled by the RPI."
This is taken right from the explanation given on USCHO about the PairWise rankings. My understanding is that if the points are tied, then an extra point is given to the team with the higher RPI and they are placed ahead in the rankings. It seems like this would be true of individual comparisons but also totals. That's where it's a bit fuzzy I guess.
What would be interesting was I came up with a situation that would result in a 3 way tie for 14th with Western Mich, CC, and BU. Either way, even if BU and CC end up tied for 15th. (or that three way tie for 14th) at least one team not already guaranteed to be in will be given an autobid due to the teams playing in Atlantic Hockey. I have no idea how it would work out with a three way tie for 14th. Oh and all of this is also dependent on all the teams that are already guaranteed to be in, win their conference championships.
In this three way tie, BU wins the comparison for Western Michigan. Western Michigan wins the comparison for CC. Yet CC wins the comparison for BU. How that would get sorted out with an autobid coming from whoever wins Atlantic hockey is way too mind boggling for 4:30am.
"For each comparison won, a team receives one point. The final PWR ranking is based on the number of points (comparisons) won against teams with an RPI at or above .500. Ties are settled by the RPI."
This is taken right from the explanation given on USCHO about the PairWise rankings. My understanding is that if the points are tied, then an extra point is given to the team with the higher RPI and they are placed ahead in the rankings. It seems like this would be true of individual comparisons but also totals. That's where it's a bit fuzzy I guess.
What would be interesting was I came up with a situation that would result in a 3 way tie for 14th with Western Mich, CC, and BU. Either way, even if BU and CC end up tied for 15th. (or that three way tie for 14th) at least one team not already guaranteed to be in will be given an autobid due to the teams playing in Atlantic Hockey. I have no idea how it would work out with a three way tie for 14th. Oh and all of this is also dependent on all the teams that are already guaranteed to be in, win their conference championships.
In this three way tie, BU wins the comparison for Western Michigan. Western Michigan wins the comparison for CC. Yet CC wins the comparison for BU. How that would get sorted out with an autobid coming from whoever wins Atlantic hockey is way too mind boggling for 4:30am.
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Obviously you like what you are seeing over the past 13 years which is good for you because if he stays you will get more of it.
Obviously you like what you are seeing over the past 13 years which is good for you because if he stays you will get more of it.
Re: Boston University Part IV: Off-Season or New Season?
If the Administration has any things to do in regard to BU hockey it would be to ask Parker for a succession plan with special emphasis on Assistant Coaches. Parker will not be forced out in my opinion and no AD or President is going to want to start that battle. What they should do is require Parker to upgrade the assistants to compensate for the generation gap/motivation/connection and have a 2-3 year seasoned AC ready after the 2015 season if Parker should decide to retire. One of those AC's needs to have had head coaching experience somewhere (the opposite of Charlie Weis) and possibly be named asst head coach at some point.
A sound transition is the way to go...just like UNC basketball or a similar program, BU hockey simply can't be in disarray with a fired/retired HC, no real successor available and kids leaving/decommiting. That would get the AD fired in my opinion.
So, require Parker to bring in a few new coaches with skills where JP has weaknesses, layout the plan for Parker if he stays after 2015 and if he leaves at the end of 2015. That decision cannot be a surprise to the AD.
If Parker refuses to address the AC situation and/or plan for succession, then the school and AD have a better basis from which to take more aggressive action if the performance of the team fails to improve.
If the Administration has any things to do in regard to BU hockey it would be to ask Parker for a succession plan with special emphasis on Assistant Coaches. Parker will not be forced out in my opinion and no AD or President is going to want to start that battle. What they should do is require Parker to upgrade the assistants to compensate for the generation gap/motivation/connection and have a 2-3 year seasoned AC ready after the 2015 season if Parker should decide to retire. One of those AC's needs to have had head coaching experience somewhere (the opposite of Charlie Weis) and possibly be named asst head coach at some point.
A sound transition is the way to go...just like UNC basketball or a similar program, BU hockey simply can't be in disarray with a fired/retired HC, no real successor available and kids leaving/decommiting. That would get the AD fired in my opinion.
So, require Parker to bring in a few new coaches with skills where JP has weaknesses, layout the plan for Parker if he stays after 2015 and if he leaves at the end of 2015. That decision cannot be a surprise to the AD.
If Parker refuses to address the AC situation and/or plan for succession, then the school and AD have a better basis from which to take more aggressive action if the performance of the team fails to improve.
Nick Papagiorgio
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Re: Boston University Part IV: Off-Season or New Season?
Minus Klema, minus Maiser (especially), minus Bartlett ...
Gee that list just got more than twice as long. Go figure.
Minus Klema, minus Maiser (especially), minus Bartlett ...
Gee that list just got more than twice as long. Go figure.
Re: Boston University Part IV: Off-Season or New Season?
What are you expecting? Do you want them to call the Globe and say "We're evaluating right now whether keeping Jack Parker on is in the best interests of the program???" If this is being considered at all, it will be done behind closed doors and we won't be privy to any of it.
What are you expecting? Do you want them to call the Globe and say "We're evaluating right now whether keeping Jack Parker on is in the best interests of the program???" If this is being considered at all, it will be done behind closed doors and we won't be privy to any of it.
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6 in 38 years. You are right, it is a landslide. And how much credibility do those names have relative to the NHL experienced players and successful business men that would say the opposite?
6 in 38 years. You are right, it is a landslide. And how much credibility do those names have relative to the NHL experienced players and successful business men that would say the opposite?
srsterrier
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Re: Boston University Part IV: Off-Season or New Season?
You might have noticed that I wrote "(that we know of)". You chose to leave that part of the quote out. So yes, I acknowledged the possibility that it is being discussed/evaluated behind closed doors. Two other quick points in response to some other posters:
-I am not expecting Parker to be shown the door any time soon and like many fans, I appreciate all that he has done for the school. But it is difficult to accept the level of the program at this point. We are not talking about just the last couple of years. I believe in the Parcells philosophy of "You are only as good as your record." BU's record over the last decade is good but not very good. Not counting this season, in four of the last ten seasons, they have not broken 20 wins. If they do not make it to the NCAA tournament and win a game there, it will be five in the last eleven. With this program and the tradition and resources that it has, that is just not good enough. That makes discussing the future of the program, including Parker's place in it, fair game.
- As previously posted by me and others, I think the hiring of Powers was a mistake. I am not sure what he brings to the program. They need someone younger who can relate to the players. With so many former Parker assistants becoming head coaches elsewhere, that posiiton should have been coveted by more than a few ambitious young coaches when Quinn left.
You might have noticed that I wrote "(that we know of)". You chose to leave that part of the quote out. So yes, I acknowledged the possibility that it is being discussed/evaluated behind closed doors. Two other quick points in response to some other posters:
-I am not expecting Parker to be shown the door any time soon and like many fans, I appreciate all that he has done for the school. But it is difficult to accept the level of the program at this point. We are not talking about just the last couple of years. I believe in the Parcells philosophy of "You are only as good as your record." BU's record over the last decade is good but not very good. Not counting this season, in four of the last ten seasons, they have not broken 20 wins. If they do not make it to the NCAA tournament and win a game there, it will be five in the last eleven. With this program and the tradition and resources that it has, that is just not good enough. That makes discussing the future of the program, including Parker's place in it, fair game.
- As previously posted by me and others, I think the hiring of Powers was a mistake. I am not sure what he brings to the program. They need someone younger who can relate to the players. With so many former Parker assistants becoming head coaches elsewhere, that posiiton should have been coveted by more than a few ambitious young coaches when Quinn left.
ericredaxe
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Re: Boston University Part IV: Off-Season or New Season?
A question for everyone... (Particularly to those who want to show Jack the door)...
Back in September, what were your expectations for this years team?
A question for everyone... (Particularly to those who want to show Jack the door)...
Back in September, what were your expectations for this years team?
Re: Boston University Part IV: Off-Season or New Season?
Just to change the subject for a moment...
Marking today's 25th anniversary of the first BU Hockey East tournament championship in 1986, mh82 has prepared a comprehensive article chronicling that season. A great read like others he has done for the blog, it's now posted here.
Just to change the subject for a moment...
Marking today's 25th anniversary of the first BU Hockey East tournament championship in 1986, mh82 has prepared a comprehensive article chronicling that season. A great read like others he has done for the blog, it's now posted here.
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