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Boston University Part IV: Off-Season or New Season?

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Wow, this thread is getting quite entertaining.

Ok, say Parker retires tomorrow and is replaced by a new head coach and staff. Would you be willing to sit through what could potentially be multiple seasons of mediocrity before BU gains a national presence again?
 
Re: Boston University Part IV: Off-Season or New Season?

Wow, this thread is getting quite entertaining.

Ok, say Parker retires tomorrow and is replaced by a new head coach and staff. Would you be willing to sit through what could potentially be multiple seasons of mediocrity before BU gains a national presence again?

as opposed to sitting through the last two seasons of mediocrity and waiting to gain a national presence?!?! :p

lookit, jackpa is what? 80 yo? there should be some plan being worked out. keep the guys in the recruiting pipeline happy since they are chased so young now. get a handle on the 'right' guy who will work with, respect his place, and get ready TO replace jp.

if he wants to stay until 2015 (gulp!), that means four more years.... hmmm. ok. so is the next guy going to come in and co-coach one year? (doubtful)

he has said he will just quit. doesn't want the kareem abdul jabbar tour... ok, but it would be a bit of a problem to just quit, like now. today.

there needs to be a process.
 
Re: Boston University Part IV: Off-Season or New Season?

For perspective, BC had three straight losing seasons to start York's tenure before they broke through. BU is in far better shape than BC was at the time. It's all about finding the right guy who will be at BU for years to come.
 
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somewhat offtopic, but former basketball coach dennis wolff was hired by va tech as head womens bball coach today.
 
Re: Boston University Part IV: Off-Season or New Season?

Federal League .... You personify the "fanboy" label handed out by our Gamblers Anonymous friends up at the Heights.

LOL. I don't even know what this comment is in reference to, but I'm very intrigued and would love to hear an explanation.
 
Re: Boston University Part IV: Off-Season or New Season?

Looks like somebody needs a "time out". Listen slurps, I do not care what you've said 600 times as the thread does not revolve around you, no matter how many times you USE CAPS LOCK nor have you been appointed BU thread moderator/overlord the last time I checked. With those facts established, lets move on.

What I, and I suspect chickod are trying to do although he can answer for himself, is fight against the notion put forth by several posters that the state of BU hockey is such that we should keep going on doing what we're doing. Some people aren't bothered by watching our arch rivals win consistantly (4 out of 5 HE championships, 3 out of 4 Beanpots, 3 and maybe 4 out of the last 10 national championships, etc). True BU fans who care about winning are. Whether you are a statistician fascinated with the nuances of the calculations that make up the PWR, or someone trying to justify yet another lackluster season, it all has the same effect, which is to minimize the need for change in BU's hockey program. That is the larger picture, and one you'd be well not to lose sight of.

So what you were trying to do had absolutely nothing to do with the conversation about the fickleness of PWR, but you nevertheless chose to quote those posts and argue about the points contained therein, notwithstanding the fact that your conclusion was a total non-sequitor?
 
Re: Boston University Part IV: Off-Season or New Season?

Wow, this thread is getting quite entertaining.

Ok, say Parker retires tomorrow and is replaced by a new head coach and staff. Would you be willing to sit through what could potentially be multiple seasons of mediocrity before BU gains a national presence again?

I'm VERY confident that we will rise from our current performance level much faster with the right new coach in place. I don't get the concern by so many people that BU Hockey will struggle with a new coach. Granted, I am assuming that we could get one of the names frequently mentioned on this board as a replacement. But lets look at the tale of the tape:

What we lose:
- 38 years of head coaching experience
- an instantly recognized name, a coaching icon

What we likely gain:
- a coach who is less than 45 years older than his players, and therefore may be able to motivate them better
- a coach who brings a youthful enthusiasm to the future of the program, as opposed to "maybe try to win one more before hanging 'em up"
- a power play scheme that leverages the skillset of the team, and reacts well when the same team up the street uses the same "pressure the points" tactic
- very possibly a coach who played under Parker and can instill the same approach to development taht put so mnay players into the NHL (though frankly, that is nowhere near a priority in my mind, if the program is successful by the more traditional measures)

What we retain:
- facilities that are the envy of most D-1 programs
- a high-level education
- you get to be a BMOC (barring significant future success by the bouncy-ball players)
- you get to hang out in a great city

I'm really not worried. I'm not saying that Parker doesn't deserve all the respect he gets for the success he has had in the past. But we have a lot more to offer now.
 
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I'm VERY confident that we will rise from our current performance level much faster with the right new coach in place. I don't get the concern by so many people that BU Hockey will struggle with a new coach. Granted, I am assuming that we could get one of the names frequently mentioned on this board as a replacement. But lets look at the tale of the tape:

What we lose:
- 38 years of head coaching experience
- an instantly recognized name, a coaching icon

What we likely gain:
- a coach who is less than 45 years older than his players, and therefore may be able to motivate them better
- a coach who brings a youthful enthusiasm to the future of the program, as opposed to "maybe try to win one more before hanging 'em up"
- a power play scheme that leverages the skillset of the team, and reacts well when the same team up the street uses the same "pressure the points" tactic
- very possibly a coach who played under Parker and can instill the same approach to development taht put so mnay players into the NHL (though frankly, that is nowhere near a priority in my mind, if the program is successful by the more traditional measures)

What we retain:
- facilities that are the envy of most D-1 programs
- a high-level education
- you get to be a BMOC (barring significant future success by the bouncy-ball players)
- you get to hang out in a great city

I'm really not worried. I'm not saying that Parker doesn't deserve all the respect he gets for the success he has had in the past. But we have a lot more to offer now.
I absolutely believe that we need to have a transition plan in place for some time into the future. However, from this list, I think we lose a lot more than just "38 years experience" and "a name." Indeed, even assuming losing 38 years experience and is as easily replaced as your flippant post suggests, I don't think anyone can argue legitimately that Parker brings as little to the program as you claim. Fundraising, hockey knowledge, his relationship with Boyle, the list goes on.

Additionally, this claim that "youth" motivates (which is really what 2 of your 4 "likely gains" are) is not necessarily true. Some young guys fail to motivate and lose their team early while other older guys are apparently excellent motivators (York anyone?). And I see a lot of posts here about how Parker is "out of touch" with his players, but it seems to be based on a lot of speculation and no substance.

Further, I don't see where this young, smart, experienced motivator coach is coming from. The names floated around here (Bavis, Quinn, etc.) are not sufficiently experienced. The last two "gains" are essentially he'll do everything Parker does, and then some and I simply don't see that. So tell us who this magical mystery coach so we can begin to at least evaluate him.

There is no question we need to groom a successor for sometime within the next 3-5 years. Replacing Parker now (which is a pointless discussion anyway because it is not happening) would be foolhardy and would hurt the program far more than it would help.

I really get the sense that a lot of posts here recently are overly, and perhaps understandably, reactionary. Maybe my perspective has changed over the years, but I don't remember having such a knee-jerk reaction to a short period of mediocrity after being 2 years out of the ultimate success. Well, except for Ray Handley.
 
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The case for a change in coaching keeps getting stronger, yet if half the fan base keeps up with this nonsense they might as well sign Parker to a 20 year extension.

In that case its time to start doing heavy drugs and drinking heavily. ;)
 
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i'd say make boyle the coach and kill two birds with one stone... but then, i don't think any of his lifts would be optional.
 
Re: Boston University Part IV: Off-Season or New Season?

I absolutely believe that we need to have a transition plan in place for some time into the future.

However, from this list, I think we lose a lot more than just "38 years experience" and "a name."

And I see a lot of posts here about how Parker is "out of touch" with his players, but it seems to be based on a lot of speculation and no substance.

I really get the sense that a lot of posts here recently are overly, and perhaps understandably, reactionary. Maybe my perspective has changed over the years, but I don't remember having such a knee-jerk reaction to a short period of mediocrity after being 2 years out of the ultimate success. Well, except for Ray Handley.

To your points:
> I would bet big money that Parker already has a plan and short list.

> You are very correct that Parker brings much more than Defkit gives him credit for. You both forgot 3 NCs, all those Beanpots, a bunch of ECAC (4) and HE (7) titles, quite a few FF (13) appearances and perhaps the biggest, the new arena.

> I do feel he has lost touch with his players and no longer knows how to motivate them. In fact, Jack has been quoted as saying in the more recent years that he shouldn't have to motivate the players. If that is true, that is a VERY telling statement.

As far as the comments being speculation and without substance, I have heard rumblings in some hockey circles the past few years that question his ability to win big games. The running joke I hear is "wins all those Beanpots, but what about HE and NCAAs since 1997? Also, the problem with McQuirk in 2008 would never have happened with a captain in the past.

Reading the game recaps over the past 5-6 years, one recurring theme i see that frustrates Parker, but he does not know how to deal with anymore (IMHO), is the team's inability to come ready to play 60 minutes (2009 aside). He used to be able to deal with that problem by taking ice time away from players, but that tactic does not seem to work for him anymore. Outside of the "Burn the Boats" ploy in 2009, I feel Parker is the one that is not motivated the way he used to be.

Ask yourself, when was the last team (again 2009 aside) that had a work ethic you could be proud of? For me, it was the 2000 team, with the 2003 team a close second. Those were not real talented teams, but they fought hard and just missed out on FFs in the regional finals.

> Again, I think Parker has a short list and will probably turn things over at the end of this current contract. If he pulls a Paterno, then it will be heavy drugs and alcohol for me in 2015.

> Finally, I hardly think some of the comments the past week are knee-jerk. The melt-down in the 2006 regional vs BC, getting blasted by MSU in 2007, the McQuirk problem in 2008, show a pattern that had me saying it was time for him to go 3 years ago.

No use wishing we have a shot at a new coach until the end of his contract, but if next year's team is not a serious contender for the NC (assuming no impt defections), then all fingers should be pointed at the man in charge.
 
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To your points:


Ask yourself, when was the last team (again 2009 aside) that had a work ethic you could be proud of? For me, it was the 2000 team, with the 2003 team a close second. Those were not real talented teams, but they fought hard and just missed out on FFs in the regional finals.

I would say 2005-2006 with their second half ridiculous winning streak is up there too.
 
Re: Boston University Part IV: Off-Season or New Season?

From the perspective of a BC fan who has seen Jack Parker coach some very good BU teams over the years and who might be blamed for asking a question that extended this thread, this thread proves one thing. After all the PWR and RPI and “what if” permutations and combinations have been put to rest, IF the passion of BU’s fans on this thread had been matched on the ice by BU’s players, then BU still might be playing this year.

And one more point about mookie1995's list of supposed “facts.” If your aunt is not the sister of your mother or father, but she married into your family, then even if your aunt had balls – not that there’s anything wrong with genetic mutations or transgender surgeries, your uncle still would be your uncle, and that other person never might have become your aunt. (Please no West Virginia references here.) Now, if your uncle had married that other person, despite that strange attachment, then your “aunt” – if she also had that other appendage that usually comes with the balls – might have a hard time (forgive the choice of words) explaining her serious shrinkage problems after a swim in the pool.

In the words of Forrest Gump, “And that’s all I have to say about that. . .”
 
Re: Boston University Part IV: Off-Season or New Season?

Even jcarter understood this and commented on the discussion in the correct context!


Hey hey now.... true I say intentionally inflamatory things sometimes but it's not like i'm retarded.

Here's my two cents, not that anyone cares much, but JP has outlived his tenure at BU already. The past 5-6 years haven't been very good at all. And the work ethic and intensity have been lackluster at best. Some will say "aside from 2009" but that isn't really accurate either. The 2009 didn't come to play 60 minutes every night either, they merely had the talent to get it done despite the play. They dodged bullets several times throughout the tourney, namely to an young and inexperienced Vermont team and then again to Miami. In short Parker was lucky and BU walked away with the NC because they were skating a group of NHL talent as opposed to coaching. In the last 10 years Parker has led BU to a handful of regionals, winning maybe half and never getting out of the regionals except with a group of kids Hokeydope could have coached into the FF. And most importantly, that mediocrity has led to by far the biggest chink in Parker's armor, which is that is a gaining crowd that thinks he needs to hang it up. I don't pretend to think that a few posters on an internet message board represent the majority opinion, however they also are not the only people that feel that way either. An icon like Jack Parker gets a tremendous amount of slack because what he DID do, it takes a lot to confidence of the fan base. And here he is, losing confidence from the fan base...and what we don't see behind the scenes is I suspect he has lost the confidence from at least a portion of his players.
 
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